2/25 - Oilers (7-7-3) @ (15-0-3) Blackhawks 7:30PM CSN

[MassHavoc]

I didn't think Carbomb looked too bad last night... when he wasn't on the top line.

 

[PatrickShart]

Agreed, in the post game interview he explained it as any line with Saad on it is going to a dangerous one, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Our fourth line has been great all year, and Carcillo skating with Toews and Hossa does not compute. Guy lost a few board battles, seemed baffled at the blue line entry with those two and does not have the half offensive sense Saad does. Carcillo floating around the dots and slot area does nothing for me, not with man child sitting on the fourth line. Flame me and say what you will, but I cannot shake the image of Carbomb being one of the biggest hacks in the league, his 5.8 million penalty minutes in 324 career games would fit in well with Columbus.



It seems no matter what the team is doing, if we've won our previous 47, line juggling will occur if we don't have the lead. You can argue it has worked since we haven't lost, but it hasn't produced any goals. Not going to complain about him juggling up 2 lines, as much as I want to, there is no reason to complain sitting where we are.

This isn't a bashing on Saad. He's going to be a good NHL player. He's not what Toews, Kane, or any of those Oilers top picks/can't miss players. There are still plenty of holes in his game. At time, he doesn't seem to use his linemates well. Don't confuse that with me thinking he's selfish or isn't passing the puck - he does those things...but using your linemates more...in setting picks, in cycling early (his timing is slow/off on alot of those things). Yes, he'll get better. Most good, smart players do. Yes, the more he plays with them - or whoever - will help. But he's not there yet. Playing down a line isn't banishing him anywhere...because Q has played him a lot, in many situations. And if he's off for some games there..it's not the end of the world for him. Playing in Jr's...or even Rockford...sometimes players try doing "everything"..because they think they have to or they're simply better than everyone else. Where in the show - they must learn to play with everyone (like TCD in the shower)...whether they're Toews...or Bollig.



Carcillo may not be as talented as Saad... but he brings a much different element to that line. He's a very good forechecker. He's responsible defensively. He doesn't play out of his role - and he know's what he's there to do. This is the best thing he brings to that line. He gets the puck to Hossa/Toews...and puck supports/gets to the net. He finishes every hit and makes it very uncomfortable for defenceman. There was a definite jump in Hossa's step when Carcillo was on that line. I like Hossa a lot, but people need to realize, that he is a bit of a pimadonna (not in a bad way)...but like most veteran stars...there are things he likes/wants. A left handed centerman, play his off wing, get him the puck. Not that Carcillo is better than Saad - but Hossa likes the puck on his stick as much as possible. He like the possession game. It's why last year Kane/Hossa/Carcillo played well together. Carcillo knows who he's playing with...which is a very good thing. His teammates love him. Even though last year for the 30gms he played on the "second line"...he played 12min a game. I expect vs STL...that both Carcillo and Saad will see time with Toews/Hossa. Knowing how STL like to run people...carbomb will be returning the favor to the likes of Pietriangelo...Shattenkirk. I think people just need to let this play out

 

[supraman]

Carcillo may not be as talented as Saad... but he brings a much different element to that line. He's a very good forechecker. He's responsible defensively. He doesn't play out of his role - and he know's what he's there to do. This is the best thing he brings to that line. He gets the puck to Hossa/Toews...and puck supports/gets to the net. He finishes every hit and makes it very uncomfortable for defenceman. There was a definite jump in Hossa's step when Carcillo was on that line. I like Hossa a lot, but people need to realize, that he is a bit of a pimadonna (not in a bad way)...but like most veteran stars...there are things he likes/wants. A left handed centerman, play his off wing, get him the puck. Not that Carcillo is better than Saad - but Hossa likes the puck on his stick as much as possible. He like the possession game. It's why last year Kane/Hossa/Carcillo played well together. Carcillo knows who he's playing with...which is a very good thing. His teammates love him. Even though last year for the 30gms he played on the "second line"...he played 12min a game. I expect vs STL...that both Carcillo and Saad will see time with Toews/Hossa. Knowing how STL like to run people...carbomb will be returning the favor to the likes of Pietriangelo...Shattenkirk. I think people just need to let this play out

Responsible and Carcillo dont belong in the same sentence. And yes he knows his job is to take dumb penalties.

 

[DBQHawkFan]

Kane/Hossa/Carcillo? Is that a typo? I personally don't think that any ideal line includes Kane and Hossa. They both need to have the puck on their stick to be most effective. Plus they are both right wings. Carcillo does not have the near the skill Saad does. Saad complements Toews and Hossa and goes to the net and dirty areas as well. And he is only 20. On a side note, Carcillo actually got away with a definite charge on the one check behind the net. He took a run at the guy well after he had passed the puck. He was lucky and could have easily hurt the team with a penalty in that situation just as Saad did with his penalties.

 

[PatrickShart]

Kane/Hossa/Carcillo? Is that a typo? I personally don't think that any ideal line includes Kane and Hossa. They both need to have the puck on their stick to be most effective. Plus they are both right wings. Carcillo does not have the near the skill Saad does. Saad complements Toews and Hossa and goes to the net and dirty areas as well. And he is only 20. On a side note, Carcillo actually got away with a definite charge on the one check behind the net. He took a run at the guy well after he had passed the puck. He was lucky and could have easily hurt the team with a penalty in that situation just as Saad did with his penalties.

They were a line last year

 

[PatrickShart]

Responsible and Carcillo dont belong in the same sentence. And yes he knows his job is to take dumb penalties.

Well, he's a +13 in 32gms as a Hawk...and I bet Toews, Hossa and Q think differently

 

[winos5]

Responsible and Carcillo dont belong in the same sentence. And yes he knows his job is to take dumb penalties.

Although none this year I recall.

 

[supraman]

Although none this year I recall.

In what 4 games? give it time.

 

[PatrickShart]

In what 4 games? give it time.

Were Saad's 2 offensive zone penalties dumb? Or acceptable..because it was him?

 

[DBQHawkFan]

Were Saad's 2 offensive zone penalties dumb? Or acceptable..because it was him?

Toews got one too! And Carcillo should have had a charging call on a very late hit. That would have been a stupid penalty! The puck was long gone!

 

[supraman]

Were Saad's 2 offensive zone penalties dumb? Or acceptable..because it was him?

Show me his long history of suspensions and dumb penalties

 

[PatrickShart]

So...get rid of Shaw...Keith..because they've taken dumb penalties and have suspension history.



Kane...Sharp have taken dumb penalties in their time as well.



Where does it end?

 

[supraman]

Shaw suspended once, Keith once, Kane and Sharp don't make it a habit.



Carcillo on the other hand was suspended 2 times his first year with the hawks. Took several dumb penalties including the one where he injured himself.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Amazing how some can find a reason to complain regardless of anything................





Will the world end when they finally lose a game in regulation?

 

[supraman]

Amazing how some can find a reason to complain regardless of anything................





Will the world end when they finally lose a game in regulation?

Yes and it will be Obama's fault

 

[chasman]

just think if we were losing........

 

[PatrickShart]

Shaw suspended once, Keith once, Kane and Sharp don't make it a habit.



Carcillo on the other hand was suspended 2 times his first year with the hawks. Took several dumb penalties including the one where he injured himself.

Shaw hasnt played a full season, and already once. In the playoffs, nonetheless.



Keith may have had only 1 suspension...but you can find several times him retaliating (Cooke hit)



Yes, Carcillo walks and crosses the line at times. But thats not always a bad thing. And again...if Toews and Hossa didn't want him on their line - he wouldn't be.

 

[roshinaya]

Do they ever look good enough for you?

I think they look good, but there's always room for improvement and the team seems to think the same. The moment they stop looking to improve is when things will start to go south.

 

[supraman]

Shaw hasnt played a full season, and already once. In the playoffs, nonetheless.



Keith may have had only 1 suspension...but you can find several times him retaliating (Cooke hit)



Yes, Carcillo walks and crosses the line at times. But thats not always a bad thing. And again...if Toews and Hossa didn't want him on their line - he wouldn't be.

Here let's just sum up this conversation and be done with it. You like Carcillo on the team. I don't



Also Shaw's suspension was complete bullshit, hell wasn't even a penalty if you ask me.

 

[IceHogsFan]

I think they look good, but there's always room for improvement and the team seems to think the same. The moment they stop looking to improve is when things will start to go south.

Greatest team in NHL history for games played without a loss.



Holy $%#@