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tillman and 04-06 vasher > fuller/prince
05 orton >= trubs... well lets be fair.. orton == trubs so far
05 orton >= trubs... well lets be fair.. orton == trubs so far
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Orton sucked. Boring QB.
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Agreed. I'm under no illusions that Trubisky has played well, but Orton comparisons are dumb. People forget how bad Orton was in. The guy averaged like, 100 yards a game and had three games with less than 70 yards passing.
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Orton was abysmal in 2005. Tribs is clearly better than that
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As poor as you think Tribs has been so far...Orton was FAR worse.
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just speking and comparing in terms of shit.
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Kyle Orton in 2005 was a Rate+ of 73...
Trubs so far this year is a 93. Orton was 20% worse than Trubs in 2005 compared to the 2018 season so far.
Even last year Trubs was a Rate+ of 89...16% better than Orton in 2005. Orton was terrible and below shit in 2005.
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you can compare duh data... and sure trubs looks mo better than orton using the eye test.. but they still both shit... trubs has 14 mo games to not be shit though..
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The eyetest and data both favor Orton...
Whatever. The data is there.
Can't help you beyond that.
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on a scale of shit
1 orton
2 mitch..
still though, both = shit.. i left dat olive branch.. mitch has 14 mo games to improve.. but so far he be showing a lot of the same shit as last year.
idk what to tell you.. cant help you beyond dat
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also, one was a rookie 4th rd qb thrusted into duh job and one was a second yr #2 overall pick who cost other picks as well.. so on dat same shit scale... orton>trubs so far
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furfuer mo...
2018 nfl vs 2005 nfl is mo passing/offense friendly.... i be sure u be got some era calculation formulas to show they aint that far aparts right... and b add a scale designed fer a 4th rd rookie qb filling in for duh injured rex with a defensive minded HC vs the bonafide starting second yr #2 overall pick with a supposed QB guru as his HC.. yeah....
boi you be need to go out n recruit duh rory.. you is missing yo better half..
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Irrelevant. But if you want to play that...Orton..in his 3rd year in the NFL..when he played..had a Rate+ of 89....which was Trubs rookie season...his 4th season was a 96 Rate+..or basically Trubs second season...
In either case...your initial statement was Orton in 2005 was better than Trubs now...That's not true by any measurement.
...Rate+ normalizes for the league each played in.
Trubs is better.
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ortons 4th yr was basically his second.. cause he aint play in 06 and only played 3 games 07... 08 and his 4th year.. if only mitch could be that...
we'd all take 08 or 09 (DEN) orton over current trubs .. hopefully he can become dat at the minimum
but speaking on rookie yrs... orton w-l was 10-5 vs 4-8 mitch. yeah yeah the defense.. who cares..but mitch had a top 10 d his rookie yr........ qb gets the credit n the blame.. so his record be better rookie yr vs rookie yr... thats a way... a measurement right.. just win baby
ortons career with da bearz 21-12.. mitch is 5-9
pick 106 in the 4th rd vs a #2 in duh 1st.....which costed #3, two 3rds and a 4th.
orton>mitch thus far..
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