2009-2010 Chicago Blackhawks~ The Team Tallon Built

[fanof19]

GM meetings in Philly this week. They'll all be at the game. Not sure which one or both.



For those going to be at the game, keep your eyes peeled.

 

[Tater]

[quote name="fanof19"]GM meetings in Philly this week. They'll all be at the game. Not sure which one or both.



For those going to be at the game, keep your eyes peeled.[/quote]



Oh to read Dale's mind while he's watching...

Do you think McDouche will even go and talk to him?

 

[fanof19]

[quote name="Tater"]



Oh to read Dale's mind while he's watching...

Do you think McDouche will even go and talk to him?[/quote]



oh to be a fly on the wall in the meetings......

yes I think McD will go say hello to him. Even I don't think McD is that small or stupid.

 

[fanof19]

first interview at the WC

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ho ... 4504.story

 

[fanof19]

This guy COMPLETELY rips the Bowmans



http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinio ... 95364.html

 

[klemmer]

[quote name="fanof19"]This guy COMPLETELY rips the Bowmans



http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinio ... 95364.html[/quote]



wow.



"The move stunk at the time and the hockey world is still holding its nose at the manner in which the current Blackhawks' brain trust stepped over Tallon's still-warm body to bask in the glory of hockey's most talented roster."



One argument: the players HAVE given DT credit for building the team.

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="klemmer"]



wow.



"The move stunk at the time and the hockey world is still holding its nose at the manner in which the current Blackhawks' brain trust stepped over Tallon's still-warm body to bask in the glory of hockey's most talented roster."



One argument: the players HAVE given DT credit for building the team.[/quote]

Yeah, pretty decent article. Stated the obvious and threw some truthiness out there with some liberal use of the facts.

 

[fanof19]

wanna bet that guy doesn't get a request for interviews from the front office? LOL

 

[fanof19]

hockey night in Canada interview



http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/consol ... 1&catid=-6

 

[IceHogsFan]

There are those of us here in Rockford that are still baffled with the trade deadline

that involved moving Fallon from Rockord for Toivonen as goalie backup. Like Niemi,

I saw potential in Fallon that I have not witnessed yet from Toivonen.



Is this the future of trade and acquisitions that we have to look forward to?

I hope in time I am proven wrong on Toivonen.

 

[klemmer]

[quote name="IceHogsFan"]There are those of us here in Rockford that are still baffled with the trade deadline

that involved moving Fallon from Rockord for Toivonen as goalie backup. Like Niemi,

I saw potential in Fallon that I have not witnessed yet from Toivonen.



Is this the future of trade and acquisitions that we have to look forward to?

I hope in time I am proven wrong on Toivonen.[/quote]



You'll be waiting a long time to see that potential from Toivonen.



Career NHL record 18-24-0 3.37 GAA, hasn't been in the NHL since '08.



I questioned that trade then and question it now.

 

[Ton]

[quote name="IceHogsFan"]There are those of us here in Rockford that are still baffled with the trade deadline

that involved moving Fallon from Rockord for Toivonen as goalie backup. Like Niemi,

I saw potential in Fallon that I have not witnessed yet from Toivonen.



Is this the future of trade and acquisitions that we have to look forward to?

I hope in time I am proven wrong on Toivonen.[/quote]



Agreed. Richmond and Toivonen have NO NHL potential what-so-ever. That trade sucked, plain and simple.



IMO, Bowman did well on the Barker trade. I can care less about Johnsson, Leddy was the real catch.



Looks like Stan is taking the same blueprints of success that made Dale a good GM, building a good blue line and worrying about the forwards later. Leddy/Olsen/Lalonde (although the later two were drafted by Tallon, similar to how Dale had Keith and Seabs anyway) will give this team a very good foundation on D for years. Include Danis-Pepin in that list as well.



Who knows, Stan had to have learned a thing or two from Dale and the hockey minds he has been surrounded by his entire life. I have a feeling that the team will still be competitive with Stan at the helm... with positives being that he can also structure a contract (lets be honest, the blue print for Hossas contract has Stans finger prints all over it) gives me confidence that he'll get us out of Cap Hell.



The only difference is Stan may not have a chance to draft a Kane or Toews... good thing is, he locked them up real quick. We have our foundation here, its up to Stan to build around them and give us the necessary pieces to stay competitive. I'm not worried about the future at all.



As good as Dale had an eye for talent, he did put this team into Cap Hell. He isn't perfect, and Stan Bowman won't be either.



I just wish we still had BOTH since both were essential in building this team. We went from a stacked front office to depleting it into one or two good minds -- that is my main issue with the Dale fiasco.

 

[IceHogsFan]

[quote name="Ton"]

As good as Dale had an eye for talent, he did put this team into Cap Hell. He isn't perfect, and Stan Bowman won't be either.

[/quote]



Cap Hell~ Dale?



Outside of the offer fiasco and the Huet signing how can you say that?

I do not believe for a moment that either one of those involved Dale.

Maybe in time I will be proven wrong.

 

[fanof19]

[quote name="IceHogsFan"]



Cap Hell~ Dale?



Outside of the offer fiasco and the Huet signing how can you say that?

I do not believe for a moment that either one of those involved Dale.

Maybe in time I will be proven wrong.[/quote]



according to Rocky, Stan was the cap genius, so if we are in cap hell, thank him. unless of course you think Rocky isn't telling the truth....

 

[IceHogsFan]

[quote name="fanof19"]



according to Rocky, Stan was the cap genius, so if we are in cap hell, thank him. unless of course you think Rocky isn't telling the truth....[/quote]





Zing!

 

[fanof19]

NHL.com interview with Duncan Keith:



Duncan Keith Off-Day Transcript

Thursday, 06.03.2010 / 5:22 PM / News Q. Duncan, can you just talk about how important it is to tighten up the special teams?



DUNCAN KEITH: Yeah, I think last night was a close game, and looking back on the game, a big part of it was special teams. I think they scored a couple of goals on the power play. I think they got a couple, anyway. And we had our chances. We didn't capitalize.



I think moving forward here, definitely we want to improve on our power play. I think our penalty kill has been good for the most part. Sometimes, you know, just tightening it up here and there.



But I think moving forward here, that's definitely something that next game we want to concentrate on being better at.



Q. Duncan, I think people a lot of players were talking about last night, the overtime goal was in part because there was a line change. Talk about exactly what happened and how often that does happen in key moments of a game like that.



DUNCAN KEITH: Well, it shouldn't happen. But, you know, I think I'm not really sure what happened or why there was a change there. Sometimes whether it's matchups, or guys are tired or, you know, I think we just need to be a little bit smarter when we're changing, whether it's defensemen or forwards, and that might have helped out on that play.



I don't know, at the same time, they made a nice play. I think their D joined the rush there and really created it all.



Q. Duncan, just the GM's from around the League were in town, and Dale Tallon was here. What did it mean to the younger players in that team and how happy are you guys that he landed another job in the NHL?



DUNCAN KEITH: It's great for Dale. I remember, personally, when I was drafted by Chicago, I remember he was the guy doing all the interviewing. I'm not exactly sure what his title was at the time, but I got the feeling that he really pushed for them to draft me. I could tell that he was pushing for them to pick me.



I'm thankful for him for that. And a lot of guys have stories like that where he's behind the players and he really cares for his players and believes in them. That's the type of guy he is. It's great to see him being able to get that opportunity with Florida. I wish him all the best.

 

[Ton]

[quote name="IceHogsFan"]



Cap Hell~ Dale?



Outside of the offer fiasco and the Huet signing how can you say that?

I do not believe for a moment that either one of those involved Dale.

Maybe in time I will be proven wrong.[/quote]



Campbell, Buff, Bolland, Sopel, all are slightly overpaid. Khabby, Havlat, Aucoin... granted those were when nobody wanted to play for Chicago so I'll skip that portion.



Point is, I'm not bashing Dale, but he did create "Cap Hell" in Chicago. Bowman may have had a hand but Tallon made the decisions.



Either way, I thank Dale for creating such a dilemma... it means we are so freakin' talented we don't even know what to do with all these players. Then again, had Dale signed Buff, Sopel, Bolland, or Campbell a bit cheaper then we may only be giving up one or two players instead of three or four.... the RFA fiasco is really moot.



I give him credit for the Sharp and Seabrook deals though, those may have been the best contracts he has ever inked other than up-and-comers like Hjalmarsson and Niemi, who weren't going to get big bucks anyway.



Dale always had an issue of overspending, whether that has to do with Bowman... we'll never know... but so far Bowman has done fairly well in signing Toews and Kane to reasonable contracts, as well as Hossa to a brilliant contract, and Keith also.



Both are good, Dale knows his hockey and Bowman has always been the financial guy... its a shame we can't have both.



With all that said, I'm pretty confident in saying that Dale might have been the best GM Chicago has seen in the last 40 years.

 

[Ton]

[quote name="fanof19"]



according to Rocky, Stan was the cap genius, so if we are in cap hell, thank him. unless of course you think Rocky isn't telling the truth....[/quote]



Funny, if thats true, the Bowman must be the one to take the credit for icing a Cap friendly team this year. You know, the same team that media outlets everywhere called for a trade considering everyone thought we were way over... what exactly happened to those stories? Some how, some way, Stan fit everything in and we were just fine without even missing a beat.



You have to be up against the Cap if you are competitive, I'm sure the issue was Dale signing these guys, then going to Bowman and saying "now what"... Dale got the talent and Bowman fit it under the Cap. I could be mistaken but I can hardly see Dale taking orders from his assistant "cap" manager.



Either way, we will really see Bowmans financial prowess this off-season, I bet he makes it work. Then what? Will he finally gain some respect?

 

[klemmer]

[quote name="Ton"]



Campbell, Buff, Bolland, Sopel, all are slightly overpaid. Khabby, Havlat, Aucoin... granted those were when nobody wanted to play for Chicago so I'll skip that portion.



Point is, I'm not bashing Dale, but he did create "Cap Hell" in Chicago. Bowman may have had a hand but Tallon made the decisions.



Either way, I thank Dale for creating such a dilemma... it means we are so freakin' talented we don't even know what to do with all these players. Then again, had Dale signed Buff, Sopel, Bolland, or Campbell a bit cheaper then we may only be giving up one or two players instead of three or four.... the RFA fiasco is really moot.



I give him credit for the Sharp and Seabrook deals though, those may have been the best contracts he has ever inked other than up-and-comers like Hjalmarsson and Niemi, who weren't going to get big bucks anyway.



Dale always had an issue of overspending, whether that has to do with Bowman... we'll never know... but so far Bowman has done fairly well in signing Toews and Kane to reasonable contracts, as well as Hossa to a brilliant contract, and Keith also.



Both are good, Dale knows his hockey and Bowman has always been the financial guy... its a shame we can't have both.



With all that said, I'm pretty confident in saying that Dale might have been the best GM Chicago has seen in the last 40 years.[/quote]





I'll give you 30. Tommy Ivan put together some pretty good teams until he departed in 77

 

[IceHogsFan]

Ton, one thing that you fail to realize or at the very least fail to mention is that back in the

day when some of these players were being assembled we had to overpay to get some talent here in the first place. Why the hell else would a player want to come here even three years ago unless we got them in the draft?



So, if you understand that and you were to agree that the Huet and offer fiascos were not directly related to Tallon then your whole logic to get to your opinion is off kilt. Tallon, while not perfect, sure seemed to perfect his game once give the purse strings and control to run/ create this team.