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Got it, I thought you were referring to him, but couldn't make the initials fit.
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[quote name="klemmer"]
[quote name="fanof19"]Maybe TAO should use a teleprompter.[/quote]
It looked liked he was using cue cards yesterday.
Not exactly a NHL GM persona on the stage...[/quote]
So he's not good at public speaking, I fail to see how that translates into a lack of hockey acumen.
Though I'm sure McDonough has already signed him up for some Toastmasters classes.
[quote name="fanof19"]Maybe TAO should use a teleprompter.[/quote]
It looked liked he was using cue cards yesterday.
Not exactly a NHL GM persona on the stage...[/quote]
So he's not good at public speaking, I fail to see how that translates into a lack of hockey acumen.
Though I'm sure McDonough has already signed him up for some Toastmasters classes.
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[quote name="MassHavoc"]2010-2011 Chicago Blackhawks Ice Hockey Team "Fans"
what do you expect from people who cheer for icing?
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what do you expect from people who cheer for icing?
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[quote name="E Runs"]
[quote name="klemmer"]
[quote name="fanof19"]Maybe TAO should use a teleprompter.[/quote]
It looked liked he was using cue cards yesterday.
Not exactly a NHL GM persona on the stage...[/quote]
So he's not good at public speaking, I fail to see how that translates into a lack of hockey acumen.
Though I'm sure McDonough has already signed him up for some Toastmasters classes.[/quote]
An NHL GM should carry himself and be able to express himself with some level of confidence.
No other GM stutters and stammers like TAO did while searching for answers from his master yesterday.
Here's one question for you: Do you REALLY think he'd be GM if his old man didn't work for the or-gan-i-za-tion?
[quote name="klemmer"]
[quote name="fanof19"]Maybe TAO should use a teleprompter.[/quote]
It looked liked he was using cue cards yesterday.
Not exactly a NHL GM persona on the stage...[/quote]
So he's not good at public speaking, I fail to see how that translates into a lack of hockey acumen.
Though I'm sure McDonough has already signed him up for some Toastmasters classes.[/quote]
An NHL GM should carry himself and be able to express himself with some level of confidence.
No other GM stutters and stammers like TAO did while searching for answers from his master yesterday.
Here's one question for you: Do you REALLY think he'd be GM if his old man didn't work for the or-gan-i-za-tion?
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God this three quote thing is really getting annoying.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.
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[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]God this three quote thing is really getting annoying.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
I does keep a single from taking up 2 pages of scrolling though. It might not be a bad thing. It kinda of forces you to delete posts that are irrelevant to your post.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
I does keep a single from taking up 2 pages of scrolling though. It might not be a bad thing. It kinda of forces you to delete posts that are irrelevant to your post.
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[quote name="Tater"]
[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]God this three quote thing is really getting annoying.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
I does keep a single from taking up 2 pages of scrolling though. It might not be a bad thing.[/quote]
TRUE!!! I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!
edit: Just realized I'm going insane waiting for this puck to drop.
[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]God this three quote thing is really getting annoying.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
I does keep a single from taking up 2 pages of scrolling though. It might not be a bad thing.[/quote]
TRUE!!! I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!
edit: Just realized I'm going insane waiting for this puck to drop.
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Stan Bowman has been with the organization for 9 years.....not just 1. And he's been in some sort of a role - assistant GM for awhile now - just like Tallon was before he became a GM.
Cliff Fletcher's kid - Chuck - was in marketing before getting into hockey....and is now the GM of Minnesota...so I'm sure his dad helped him there.
Milbury played and coached....sucked as a GM. I wouldnt want Gretzky touching my team in any capacity as a coach or GM (he made ALOT of the decisions in PHX) - and those 2 have pretty extensive hockey backgrounds, I'd think.
Stan's stamp isnt on this team (other than the Barker for Leddy move - and we'll see how that goes). Oh - and getting Keith, Toews and Kane signed. The off-season will be the first test/wave of judging him on what he gets for the moves he needs to make. I do like the fact/role Marc Bergevin has with the club as the director of player personnel.
Other than McD...I dont mind the Hawks having Scottie as a senior citizen (I mean advisor), Stan Bowman as GM, Kevin Cheveldayoff as assistan GM, Bergevin in the director of PPersonnel (and he's been a very good scout as well), Dumas has been with the club forever...
Cliff Fletcher's kid - Chuck - was in marketing before getting into hockey....and is now the GM of Minnesota...so I'm sure his dad helped him there.
Milbury played and coached....sucked as a GM. I wouldnt want Gretzky touching my team in any capacity as a coach or GM (he made ALOT of the decisions in PHX) - and those 2 have pretty extensive hockey backgrounds, I'd think.
Stan's stamp isnt on this team (other than the Barker for Leddy move - and we'll see how that goes). Oh - and getting Keith, Toews and Kane signed. The off-season will be the first test/wave of judging him on what he gets for the moves he needs to make. I do like the fact/role Marc Bergevin has with the club as the director of player personnel.
Other than McD...I dont mind the Hawks having Scottie as a senior citizen (I mean advisor), Stan Bowman as GM, Kevin Cheveldayoff as assistan GM, Bergevin in the director of PPersonnel (and he's been a very good scout as well), Dumas has been with the club forever...
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[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]
[quote name="Tater"]
[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]God this three quote thing is really getting annoying.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
I does keep a single from taking up 2 pages of scrolling though. It might not be a bad thing.[/quote]
TRUE!!! I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!
edit: Just realized I'm going insane waiting for this puck to drop.[/quote]
I bitched on the old boards about quotes getting out of hand and taking up whole pages, but 3 is just ridiculous.
[quote name="Tater"]
[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]God this three quote thing is really getting annoying.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
I does keep a single from taking up 2 pages of scrolling though. It might not be a bad thing.[/quote]
TRUE!!! I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!
edit: Just realized I'm going insane waiting for this puck to drop.[/quote]
I bitched on the old boards about quotes getting out of hand and taking up whole pages, but 3 is just ridiculous.
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The three quote limit is probably the single best improvement over the old boards. You ******* need to learn to only quote the stuff you're replying to (i.e. that stuff you bold, that's the only part you need to put in the quote tags if it's all you're responding to).
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[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]God this three quote thing is really getting annoying.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
Q didn't have any problem up there.
But it also might be because he's afraid to say the wrong thing. That would make any interview hard, let alone the Stanley Cup one that everyone is gonna remember and use quotes from.[/quote]
Q didn't have any problem up there.
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[quote name="Razzberry"]The three quote limit is probably the single best improvement over the old boards. You ******* need to learn to only quote the stuff you're replying to (i.e. that stuff you bold, that's the only part you need to put in the quote tags if it's all you're responding to).[/quote]
Yes but when there are already three quotes in there and there is long jumbles of text to pick out the quotes and go back and delete the right thing and this and that, turns the posts to shit. It it was easier to locate the quotes I'd be fine with it. It's not limiting them to three it's the having to edit ever damn post. I would be perfectly find if it truncated it automagically to the previous 3 quotes.
Yes but when there are already three quotes in there and there is long jumbles of text to pick out the quotes and go back and delete the right thing and this and that, turns the posts to shit. It it was easier to locate the quotes I'd be fine with it. It's not limiting them to three it's the having to edit ever damn post. I would be perfectly find if it truncated it automagically to the previous 3 quotes.
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[quote name="klemmer"]
[quote name="E Runs"]Meanwhile Keenan has done what other than leave scortched earth wherver he's been?[/quote]
He tends to rub people the wrong way, but given the players, has produced results.[/quote]
he has proven he can coach, but can only stay in one place for so long as he wears on players very quickly.
his record as a GM sucks holy balls. Keenan actually started the downward spiral of this organization with his awful drafts. Lucky for him Mike Smith came along and trumped those drafts with even uglier drafts of his own.[/quote]
Just my opinion:
I think there's a small bit of revisionism re: Keenan. Yes, he dumped some youth for vets, and yes he wasn't spectacular in drafting talent (in the few drafts that were technically his); but in a lot of ways his drafts produced 1-2 NHL viable players, and really that's close to the norm when not drafting in the higher rounds. Remember, a lot of those Hawk teams in the Keenan era were very competitive. I would even venture to say that if you suck at drafting, you should trade those prospects for something of value. Keenan's problem always seemed to be that he wanted to win-now at the expense of hanging onto "prospects" and developing. It ran into problems when upper mgmt. didn't give him full control to wheel and deal (even if it meant moving fan favorites). Keenan's a gambler and sometimes he gets burned.
Some of Keenan's draft slots:
1990 draft 16th overall (pre-30 teams, 21 team era)
1991 draft 22nd overall (pre-30 teams, 21 team era) *Last in rd1
1992 draft 12th overall (24 team era)
Smith's drafts aren't so horrible at second glance, just a little to Euro/Russian heavy at the expense of the North American talent. Some big misses at the top, but also some diamonds in the rough. A lot of Smith/Tallon prospects are still in the system or on the team currently.
I think Smith failed far worse on the head coaching end, especially when things between him and Brian Sutter became unworkable (and dare I bring up Alpo)...
[quote name="klemmer"]
[quote name="E Runs"]Meanwhile Keenan has done what other than leave scortched earth wherver he's been?[/quote]
He tends to rub people the wrong way, but given the players, has produced results.[/quote]
he has proven he can coach, but can only stay in one place for so long as he wears on players very quickly.
his record as a GM sucks holy balls. Keenan actually started the downward spiral of this organization with his awful drafts. Lucky for him Mike Smith came along and trumped those drafts with even uglier drafts of his own.[/quote]
Just my opinion:
I think there's a small bit of revisionism re: Keenan. Yes, he dumped some youth for vets, and yes he wasn't spectacular in drafting talent (in the few drafts that were technically his); but in a lot of ways his drafts produced 1-2 NHL viable players, and really that's close to the norm when not drafting in the higher rounds. Remember, a lot of those Hawk teams in the Keenan era were very competitive. I would even venture to say that if you suck at drafting, you should trade those prospects for something of value. Keenan's problem always seemed to be that he wanted to win-now at the expense of hanging onto "prospects" and developing. It ran into problems when upper mgmt. didn't give him full control to wheel and deal (even if it meant moving fan favorites). Keenan's a gambler and sometimes he gets burned.
Some of Keenan's draft slots:
1990 draft 16th overall (pre-30 teams, 21 team era)
1991 draft 22nd overall (pre-30 teams, 21 team era) *Last in rd1
1992 draft 12th overall (24 team era)
Smith's drafts aren't so horrible at second glance, just a little to Euro/Russian heavy at the expense of the North American talent. Some big misses at the top, but also some diamonds in the rough. A lot of Smith/Tallon prospects are still in the system or on the team currently.
I think Smith failed far worse on the head coaching end, especially when things between him and Brian Sutter became unworkable (and dare I bring up Alpo)...
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[quote name="IceHogsFan"]Looking at the pictures I never noticed the pucks while it was happening.
I would see players skate by with a puck but assumed they kept it as they went by.
Is this some sort of tradition that I am not aware of?[/quote]
Here are some different shots:
and
I would see players skate by with a puck but assumed they kept it as they went by.
Is this some sort of tradition that I am not aware of?[/quote]
Here are some different shots:
and
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[quote name="MassHavoc"]Yes but when there are already three quotes in there and there is long jumbles of text to pick out the quotes and go back and delete the right thing and this and that, turns the posts to shit. It it was easier to locate the quotes I'd be fine with it. It's not limiting them to three it's the having to edit ever damn post. I would be perfectly find if it truncated it automagically to the previous 3 quotes.[/quote]
If you press reply, it has a list of all the previous posts underneath. If you highlight only the text you want and then press the Quote button at the top of that post, it will only quote the highlighted part.
EDIT: I was just messing with it. The default behaviour if you quote something with 3 quotes is just to quote the newest post. That's significantly better anyway. I can't think of any (non-lazy) reason you'd need a triple quote in a post. It's not like these threads move fast enough to lose context.
If you press reply, it has a list of all the previous posts underneath. If you highlight only the text you want and then press the Quote button at the top of that post, it will only quote the highlighted part.
EDIT: I was just messing with it. The default behaviour if you quote something with 3 quotes is just to quote the newest post. That's significantly better anyway. I can't think of any (non-lazy) reason you'd need a triple quote in a post. It's not like these threads move fast enough to lose context.
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Here are some different shots:
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Nice shots Eric!
Here are some different shots:
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[/quote]Nice shots Eric!
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Thanks for the pics Eric!
I was there and did not even realize that was happening.
Amazing, as in many cases in life, how a different point of view changes everything.
I was there and did not even realize that was happening.
Amazing, as in many cases in life, how a different point of view changes everything.
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[quote name="klemmer"]
An NHL GM should carry himself and be able to express himself with some level of confidence.
No other GM stutters and stammers like TAO did while searching for answers from his master yesterday.
Here's one question for you: Do you REALLY think he'd be GM if his old man didn't work for the or-gan-i-za-tion?[/quote]
Don't change the question. Sorry, I could give a **** weather he breezes or stammers through a Q&A, the only thing that matters is how he manages his team. Signing Hossa, re-signing Keith, Toews and Kane (something every Hawk fan wanted), trading Barker for Johnsson (can't predict injury) and Leddy has shown he can manage the team. He was obviously able to express himself with confidence to their agents and Minnesota's GM. I presume you have listened to the Blackhawks Insider Podast for the past 3 years on which Bowman has been a part of? He always seems to speak comfidently on them. And just to diffuse any "Yeah, but that's pre-recorded" objection, I sat in on his Q&A session at the Convention and he "made the grade there". But once again, the ability of my favourite team's GM to pubicly express himself is far far down on my list of priorities. I just think you're really grasping at straws here man. Besides, I thought this thread was about Tallon, not anti-Stan Bowman.
Will Stan ever be given a legitmate fair shake from the pro-Tallon faction? I agree the Tallon debachle is just that. The manner in which McDonough handled it was reprehensible and the entire hockey world knows it. But it's done, over, can't be undone. Stan deserves the chance to stand on his own merit now. And he really finds himself in the ultimate Catch 22 this comming offseason, thanks in no small part to what his predecessor left behind.
I get the sense that many would rather see Stan fail just so they can say they're right and that's fucked up. Scooter, TAO, Silver Spoon, whatever, he's the GM of my favourite NHL team and I want to see him be successful.
An NHL GM should carry himself and be able to express himself with some level of confidence.
No other GM stutters and stammers like TAO did while searching for answers from his master yesterday.
Here's one question for you: Do you REALLY think he'd be GM if his old man didn't work for the or-gan-i-za-tion?[/quote]
Don't change the question. Sorry, I could give a **** weather he breezes or stammers through a Q&A, the only thing that matters is how he manages his team. Signing Hossa, re-signing Keith, Toews and Kane (something every Hawk fan wanted), trading Barker for Johnsson (can't predict injury) and Leddy has shown he can manage the team. He was obviously able to express himself with confidence to their agents and Minnesota's GM. I presume you have listened to the Blackhawks Insider Podast for the past 3 years on which Bowman has been a part of? He always seems to speak comfidently on them. And just to diffuse any "Yeah, but that's pre-recorded" objection, I sat in on his Q&A session at the Convention and he "made the grade there". But once again, the ability of my favourite team's GM to pubicly express himself is far far down on my list of priorities. I just think you're really grasping at straws here man. Besides, I thought this thread was about Tallon, not anti-Stan Bowman.
Will Stan ever be given a legitmate fair shake from the pro-Tallon faction? I agree the Tallon debachle is just that. The manner in which McDonough handled it was reprehensible and the entire hockey world knows it. But it's done, over, can't be undone. Stan deserves the chance to stand on his own merit now. And he really finds himself in the ultimate Catch 22 this comming offseason, thanks in no small part to what his predecessor left behind.
I get the sense that many would rather see Stan fail just so they can say they're right and that's fucked up. Scooter, TAO, Silver Spoon, whatever, he's the GM of my favourite NHL team and I want to see him be successful.
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[quote name="E Runs"]
Don't change the question. Sorry, I could give a **** weather he breezes or stammers through a Q&A, the only thing that matters is how he manages his team. Signing Hossa, re-signing Keith, Toews and Kane (something every Hawk fan wanted) have shown he can manage the team. He was obviously able to express himself with confidence to their agents. I presume you have listened to the Blackhawks Insider Podast for the past 3 years on which Bowman has been a part of? He always seems to speak comfidently on them. And just to diffuse any "Yeah, but that's pre-recorded" objection, I sat in on his Q&A session at the Convention and he "made the grade there". But once again, the ability of my favourite team's GM to pubicly express himself is far far down on my list of priorities. I just think you're really grasping at straws here man. Besides, I thought this thread was about Tallon, not anti-Stan Bowman.
Will Stan ever be given a legitmate fair shake from the pro-Tallon faction? I agree the Tallon debachle is just that. The manner in which McDonough handled it was reprehensible and the entire hockey world knows it. But it's done, over, can't be undone. Stan deserves the chance to stand on his own merit now. And he really finds himself in the ultimate Catch 22 this comming offseason, thanks in no small part to what his predecessor left behind.
I get the sense that many would rather see Stan fail just so they can say they're right and that's fucked up. Scooter, TAO, Silver Spoon, whatever, he's the GM of my favourite NHL team and I want to see him be successful.[/quote]
Good post Eric... and I had no idea he spoke confidently outside of the public eye. He was def. stuttering/stammering yesterday though. Then again, so was Bettman.
And yea I agree with your last paragraph. I said awhile back in the STH thread that I agree that McD is an asshole and fucked over Tallon but lets reserve judgement on Bowman for awhile and lets re-evaluate him after 3-5 years instead of crucifying him now.
Don't change the question. Sorry, I could give a **** weather he breezes or stammers through a Q&A, the only thing that matters is how he manages his team. Signing Hossa, re-signing Keith, Toews and Kane (something every Hawk fan wanted) have shown he can manage the team. He was obviously able to express himself with confidence to their agents. I presume you have listened to the Blackhawks Insider Podast for the past 3 years on which Bowman has been a part of? He always seems to speak comfidently on them. And just to diffuse any "Yeah, but that's pre-recorded" objection, I sat in on his Q&A session at the Convention and he "made the grade there". But once again, the ability of my favourite team's GM to pubicly express himself is far far down on my list of priorities. I just think you're really grasping at straws here man. Besides, I thought this thread was about Tallon, not anti-Stan Bowman.
Will Stan ever be given a legitmate fair shake from the pro-Tallon faction? I agree the Tallon debachle is just that. The manner in which McDonough handled it was reprehensible and the entire hockey world knows it. But it's done, over, can't be undone. Stan deserves the chance to stand on his own merit now. And he really finds himself in the ultimate Catch 22 this comming offseason, thanks in no small part to what his predecessor left behind.
I get the sense that many would rather see Stan fail just so they can say they're right and that's fucked up. Scooter, TAO, Silver Spoon, whatever, he's the GM of my favourite NHL team and I want to see him be successful.[/quote]
Good post Eric... and I had no idea he spoke confidently outside of the public eye. He was def. stuttering/stammering yesterday though. Then again, so was Bettman.
And yea I agree with your last paragraph. I said awhile back in the STH thread that I agree that McD is an asshole and fucked over Tallon but lets reserve judgement on Bowman for awhile and lets re-evaluate him after 3-5 years instead of crucifying him now.