2011-2012 Around The NHL Thread

[DewsSox79]

HW, I know that you said you've coached before ( probably are doing it now for all I know -it wouldn't be that surprising really).

So I know that you know this one; my first coach (and granted I only started actually playing organised hockey when I was about 24) was:

A GOAL IS AS GOOD AS AN ASSIST ... anyone suggesting anything different or any variation on that is wrong. And I mean so fundimentally wrong, that I don't really think it merited a direct response- although I do get that there is the concept of you don't want any potentially impressionable kids that might play hockey getting led astray by whatever that was.

Otoh, if one were to buy into this entire line of dicussion (based upon some idiotic Eklund rumour), it would be possible to point out that -Mr Campbell (who apparently gets put on pedastals), happens to be the quintessential "point shooting stat padder" -which is about as "real" as Puff the Magic Dragon ... but you know whatever... I mean look at the stats (ironic how stats get chucked out there -continually -and I don't know why, because they never seem to read to me as conclusively as what they get portrayed as .... but I mean think about it - a guy who gets about 50 points a season and always scores less than 10 goals a year .... somehow that guy gets a pass in the great "stat padding defencemen shooting from the point" debating point...


Ahh yes, but it brings the vision of those upstanding honourable forwards that all of a sudden decide (during the middle of a game).... to pull up, stop -and shout back at the point: "Hey YOU!!! Yeah YOU, the Defenceman guy with the point shot.... #$@& You, score your own %^#$ed goal, as I am not even going to be tipping that ^%t in any more for you .... you lazy no good point whoring, can't do it on your own guy.


(Mind you that's copyrighted now - so if any of you go selling that to any Canadian comedy folks - I want a royalty ).

But man, come on. This transcended ridiculousness , even "Rediculousness" a long time back - please make it stop ... take the bad baiting man away... :wah:

2 goals and 22 assists. give me a break. yeah his stats are skewd at all.

 

[derosabomb]

2 goals and 22 assists = 24 points

22 goals and 2 assists = 24 points

 

[HawkWriter]

Heard during the intermission of the Flyers/Canadiens game that even if he never plays again, the Flyers are stuck with his 5mil cap hit for the remainder of that contract. I remember that being mentioned when the league investigated him and Hossa's deals, but I never heard that the NHL settled on that rule.

That's awesome.

If a player signs a contract after 35 years old, then the team is stuck with the cap hit regardless if the player is actually playing or not.

Basically if Pronger never plays again, their best option would be to have him just be on LTIR where they still have to pay him but don't have the cap hit.

The scary thing is that Pronger went to the same Dr. as Crosby...and Pronger is the one who got shut down for the season. Must be going through some pretty severe symptoms.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Heard about Pronger. Sucks for the Flyers because he's out and because they still have to pay him. There's a lot of concussions this year. Way more than I remember last year.

 

[DewsSox79]

2 goals and 22 assists = 24 points

22 goals and 2 assists = 24 points

which has nothing to do with either one of them.

 

[southern_cross_116]

2 goals and 22 assists. give me a break. yeah his stats are skewd at all.

Thanks- but that presumes I buy into your "skewing" theory in the first place - which I don't. . . and won't.

Now maybe I got it wrong, but you seemed to be discrediting players that shot from the point; that they did it deliberately to get an assist -now if I got what you wrote wrong, then I'll live with that... however if I got it correct.... see below.

I have no idea what this "skewing" thing is - seriously, there is no such thing. There never was, and the only thing that comes remotely close to what you claim is "skewing" - would be a guy that is always out there going for those open net goals at the end of a game when a goalie has been pulled (and those don't really happen all that often as it seems).

The entire "skewing" thing- what I have the most problem with is that in what looks to be just another escalation of a pointless flame war has the potential to influence impressionable people that might not actually have had any coaching.

So knock it off.

By all means get up whoever you want, if you have to, but -just don't go this fanstasy points thing -it isn't remotely real in actual hockey, although it happens in video games.

An assist is as good as a goal. Full stop- you don't get an assist without your team having scored a goal, and obviously scoring a goal is what it is all about. Belabouring the obvious, you don't win without scoring a goal. However teams function in a little different manner than the ravenous stat-hounds that have been described that some players are - do they exist? Oh sure - but I will contend that they don't exist that often or successfully on teams that are any good.

 

[icehogfan08]

I think the whole "skewing" in general is hilarious. It's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. You throw the puck at the net in hopes of "skewing" points.

I was always taught throw the puck at the net. It either goes in, or creates another opportunity for another goals. stupid opportunity "skewers"

 

[southern_cross_116]

Now as for the Eklund thing (and this is purely a joke -) -- but for all any of you guys know it could even be Colin Fraser.

 

[southern_cross_116]

I think the whole "skewing" in general is hilarious. It's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. You throw the puck at the net in hopes of "skewing" points.

I was always taught throw the puck at the net. It either goes in, or creates another opportunity for another goals. stupid opportunity "skewers"

I dunno, I'm sure there are 10 year olds that do it on the frozen parking lots of park districts all over Chicagoland...

or maybe 11 year olds in floor hockey in gym class.

However, I want to be fair - maybe I read it wrong in the first place -as I am not going to ever read these threads as if I am writing a book review, studying for a final, or writing a term paper. . . so, if I got it wrong, I apologise (but only if I got it wrong).

 

[HawkWriter]

^^^ You didn't get it wrong...

To dive into it deeper, if we are going to talk about "skewing" then why not discredit the guy who gets the secondary assist?

Toews passes it to Kane who slides it over to Sharp for a goal! Toews didn't make the final pass, shouldn't that be skewing? (the answer is no, it isn't because skewing of stats doesn't really exist!)

 

[icehogfan08]

2 goals and 22 assists = 24 points

22 goals and 2 assists = 24 points

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Heard about Pronger. Sucks for the Flyers because he's out and because they still have to pay him. There's a lot of concussions this year. Way more than I remember last year.

There were more last year at this point than there are this year at this point in the season.

Bigger names this season = bigger press.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Now come on -- in all fairness - that image is of a hockey mom (although the hockey moms that I know of can be knowitalls that want their kid played every shift and too bad for anyone else on the team -- no idea if they do the pitbull with lipstip thing...

It sorta goes like this ... Ok, ma'am, I'll double shift your kid - but on one condition - you have to answer me what icing is. What? No? - ok, sorry, your kid gets a shift like everyone else - so please head up to the stand sit there and try to enjoy a bunch of kids having fun and learning some responsibility- by actually learning that everyone chasing the puck in a cloud of sticks, skates, falling kids -etc - just isn't hockey... etc etc... :woot:


I'm lucky enough not to have been given the opportunity to coach down here ( it requires you basically to pay some set of fees to get certified (and based upon my own coach's ability here) by a group of people that are just there to sign off on a sheet of paper that you played (and they'd have no idea about the sport).... too much politics too ... tends to get in the way of actual information dissemination.

Oh, but I did want to; who knows- maybe outside of that environment in Sydney it might be different. One can only hope.

Er- ok, now I am getting confused - as this isn't the OT thread / sometimes it gets tough to tell).

 

[Capt. Serious]

Kyle Turris traded to Sens

 

[Captain Iago]

And Daryl Sutter will take over the Kings on Tuesday.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Bruins destroy the Flyers 6-0. Bryz got pulled again.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

NHL Games IGT

There's an NFL one in the Bears forum, so I figured I'd make one for the NHL in the Hawks forum. If you're watching a game other than the Hawks, stop in here and talk about it.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Teemu Selanne returned to Winnipeg for the first time since he was on the original Jets. Was honored before the game. Winnipeg leads 3-2

 

[tbo41fan]

coyotes are still laughing at the contract bryz got

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Malkin had a hat trick and 2 assists. Five point night puts him 3rd in the league in points.