2011-2012 Around The NHL Thread

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

assists add to total points no? he is a dman no? dont think his points arent a bit skewed?

It isnt always about points but you cant have every player on the team that has low ass points and think as a collective group the team is going to be good.

Id be willing to bet majority of hockey fans that follow the game more than from the surface, or fan favorite sentimental championship type players ala aaron rowand would choose Ladd.

buff also shows up when he wants to show up. He is a very inconsistent player, and I know this is breaking your heart because you still cant let him go, he just isnt worth the money. but lets all hang out hats on the vancouver series.

dumb post

For someone that gets such a hard on over stats and arguing, you're really terrible at it.

:yeah:

 

[DewsSox79]

For someone that gets such a hard on over stats and arguing, you're really terrible at it.

:yeah:

nice response, why dont you address what I just said instead of your lackluster attempt to try to look smart by spewing a whole lot of nothing.

Ladd>Buff all day long

Ladd on the hawks over buff all day long

address his point (assists ) inflation
address him showing up when he wants

lazy hockey player.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

assists add to total points no? he is a dman no? dont think his points arent a bit skewed?

It isnt always about points but you cant have every player on the team that has low ass points and think as a collective group the team is going to be good.

Id be willing to bet majority of hockey fans that follow the game more than from the surface, or fan favorite sentimental championship type players ala aaron rowand would choose Ladd.

buff also shows up when he wants to show up. He is a very inconsistent player, and I know this is breaking your heart because you still cant let him go, he just isnt worth the money. but lets all hang out hats on the vancouver series.

dumb post

1- Assists don't count as points? Are you joking?
2- Yeah, he is a defenseman. Are you joking again?
3- Skewed how?

4- Yeah, Ladd is a better hockey player. Byfuglien fits the Blackhawks needs better- which you blatantly ignored. You even said they need a D man and that a 2 D-man would be a "dream"!

5- Yeah, Buff slacks a lot and picks his times to show up. Like in the playoffs you fucking rube. Vancouver series? I guess you forgot the Western Conference Finals against the Sharks. Here's a reminder...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-W3n64TpgU]Dustin Byfuglien game-winning goal 5/16/10 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLMW4Ybvrzw]Dustin Byfuglien OT goal 5/21/10 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDHzt2WC18o]Dustin Byfuglien game-winning goal 5/23/10 - YouTube[/ame]


4 goals in 4 games. 3 game winning goals

And in the finals... where he was able to neutralize the Flyers best player.

Yeah.... all he was good for was the Vancouver series.

 

[DewsSox79]

1- Assists don't count as points? Are you joking?
2- Yeah, he is a defenseman. Are you joking again?
3- Skewed how?

4- Yeah, Ladd is a better hockey player. Byfuglien fits the Blackhawks needs better- which you blatantly ignored. You even said they need a D man and that a 2 D-man would be a "dream"!

5- Yeah, Buff slacks a lot and picks his times to show up. Like in the playoffs you fucking rube. Vancouver series? I guess you forgot the Western Conference Finals against the Sharks. Here's a reminder...

Dustin Byfuglien game-winning goal 5/16/10 - YouTube

Dustin Byfuglien OT goal 5/21/10 - YouTube

Dustin Byfuglien game-winning goal 5/23/10 - YouTube


4 goals in 4 games. 3 game winning goals

And in the finals... where he was able to neutralize the Flyers best player.

Yeah.... all he was good for was the Vancouver series.

thats great and all with the performance in the playoffs. That still doesnt change the fact that he is inconsistent and plays when he wants to play. He is very overrated by the casual hawks fan.

Im not looking for a Dman of his type. More or less a dman of campbells type. Not him specifically but a player like him. that style of D has been missed this season, and leddy was supposed to be that guy but that never panned out.

When we discuss points specifically with buff, as you stated a shot from the point as he isnt in front of the net much these days, a shot at the point nets you a lot of assists, its inflated even campbells stats this year.

you are simply living in the past, maybe you would be happy if joe crede came back to the sox because of his "clutch" hits in the playoffs in 05.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

thats great and all with the performance in the playoffs. That still doesnt change the fact that he is inconsistent and plays when he wants to play. He is very overrated by the casual hawks fan.

Im not looking for a Dman of his type. More or less a dman of campbells type. Not him specifically but a player like him. that style of D has been missed this season, and leddy was supposed to be that guy but that never panned out.

When we discuss points specifically with buff, as you stated a shot from the point as he isnt in front of the net much these days, a shot at the point nets you a lot of assists, its inflated even campbells stats this year.

you are simply living in the past, maybe you would be happy if joe crede came back to the sox because of his "clutch" hits in the playoffs in 05.

No shit he's inconsistent. I'm not arguing that.

And again, you dodge everything. I still don't understand why you don't like D-men getting points or even D-men getting assists from big point shots. Inflated? Like they're bad or somehow count less? Holy ****, you should be a coach. How about you blow a call into Seabrook and Hjalmarsson. Let them in on this great secret you've discovered. The super easy way to score super easy points! Be sure to let them know that you don't value those points the same though.

By the way, Buff has 1ppg and 6ppa if that means anything to you. I thought for sure that you were just so hungry for stats... but then I went and dropped some on you and you suddenly don't like them anymore. Weird!

Also, you keep saying I'm living in the past...

WHO BROUGHT UP DUSTIN BYFUGLIEN'S PAST AND CONTINUES TO DO SO?

You. I presented current, relevant statistics. You retort by moaning about the Vancouver playoff series 2 years ago and how idiot fans can't let that go. You brought that up. I brought up current stats and the Blackhawk's current needs. CURRENT! You were the first to bring up the past.

 

[DewsSox79]

No shit he's inconsistent. I'm not arguing that.

And again, you dodge everything. I still don't understand why you don't like D-men getting points or even D-men getting assists from big point shots. Inflated? Like they're bad or somehow count less? Holy ****, you should be a coach. How about you blow a call into Seabrook and Hjalmarsson. Let them in on this great secret you've discovered. The super easy way to score super easy points! Be sure to let them know that you don't value those points the same though.

By the way, Buff has 1ppg and 6ppa if that means anything to you. I thought for sure that you were just so hungry for stats... but then I went and dropped some on you and you suddenly don't like them anymore. Weird!

Also, you keep saying I'm living in the past...
WHO BROUGHT UP DUSTIN BYFUGLIEN'S PAST AND CONTINUES TO DO SO?

You. I presented current, relevant statistics. You retort by moaning about the Vancouver playoff series 2 years ago and how idiot fans can't let that go. You brought that up. I brought up current stats and the Blackhawk's current needs. CURRENT! You were the first to bring up the past.

are you a Special person?

Or you know- throw Buff in front of the goalie. I think that has worked in the past...

you brought it up first. jesus christ.

 

[Captain Iago]

Ladd isn't any of those. Byfuglien is.

Not really. :lol:

 

[Capt. Serious]

Laddy is a better hockey player than Buff..c'mon now.

I like Buff but the guy plays like an out of shape moose too much.

 

[icehogfan08]

I haven't read all the arguments but how come when we bring up Stalberg it's all about points. But then when other guys are brought up depending on the name points don't matter to them.

 

[DewsSox79]

I haven't read all the arguments but how come when we bring up Stalberg it's all about points. But then when other guys are brought up depending on the name points don't matter to them.

I dont know what you cant comprehend, maybe you should actually read the arguement, but I will state the difference for you in a real easy format to understand.

2 different type of players. Stalberg is EXPECTED to be a goal scorer due to his tools that he has, one being speed. Stalbergs potential is being specifically a goal scorer, that is his job. His arguement states shots from the point, and we all know a lot of players skew their stats with taking these types of shots and getting an easy point most of the time if there is a rebound or deflection. so to use his "points" as a basis for why he is better than having a ladd is fucking insane.

 

[HawkWriter]

I dont know what you cant comprehend, maybe you should actually read the arguement, but I will state the difference for you in a real easy format to understand.

2 different type of players. Stalberg is EXPECTED to be a goal scorer due to his tools that he has, one being speed. Stalbergs potential is being specifically a goal scorer, that is his job. His arguement states shots from the point, and we all know a lot of players skew their stats with taking these types of shots and getting an easy point most of the time if there is a rebound or deflection. so to use his "points" as a basis for why he is better than having a ladd is fucking insane.

Whoa...things were going just fine back and forth and I wasn't going to say anything until now.

A dman taking a shot from the point that results in a rebound (or goes in) that a forward puts in the back of the net is an easy point? It is skewing their stats?

A dman taking a low hard shot with a screen in front of the net is called a good hockey play. Hell, it is a great hockey play. It is a smart hockey play.

I'll take that assist all day and every day. That is a great play.

 

[DewsSox79]

Whoa...things were going just fine back and forth and I wasn't going to say anything until now.

A dman taking a shot from the point that results in a rebound (or goes in) that a forward puts in the back of the net is an easy point? It is skewing their stats?

A dman taking a low hard shot with a screen in front of the net is called a good hockey play. Hell, it is a great hockey play. It is a smart hockey play.

I'll take that assist all day and every day. That is a great play.

sure, its part of the game, and it is smart hockey because it creates chances instead of just dump and chase or fucking around dancing with the puck to lose the puck anyway, but dont tell me that there arent certain dman that are notorious for boosting their assist stat column. he is one of the players.

 

[HawkWriter]

sure, its part of the game, and it is smart hockey because it creates chances instead of just dump and chase or fucking around dancing with the puck to lose the puck anyway, but dont tell me that there arent certain dman that are notorious for boosting their assist stat column. he is one of the players.

How the hell is that boosting their stats?

That is called scoring a goal. In order to win you have to score more goals than the other team. If a Dman takes those low hard shots and creates a goal...he is helping the team win...IN A BIG WAY.

I'll take a smart dman on my team every single time that gets those assists. Every single time. I'll take 40 rebound assists over 30 sweet pass assists...simple math here, one gives my team a better chance of winning.

An assist is an assist. A goal is a goal. They don't have to be pretty, as long as they end up in the back of their net and not yours.

 

[DewsSox79]

How the hell is that boosting their stats?

That is called scoring a goal. In order to win you have to score more goals than the other team. If a Dman takes those low hard shots and creates a goal...he is helping the team win...IN A BIG WAY.

I'll take a smart dman on my team every single time that gets those assists. Every single time. I'll take 40 rebound assists over 30 sweet pass assists...simple math here, one gives my team a better chance of winning.

An assist is an assist. A goal is a goal. They don't have to be pretty, as long as they end up in the back of their net and not yours.

1) easier said than done, there arent a lot of dman that actually do that, a few, but it isnt a flooded play that all nhl teams do on a regular basis.IMO, again IMO, not like some that state so called "fact"....the blue line shot on goal repetition isnt used because of the probability of a goal might be smaller than some other play drawn up. I dont have a stat that shows the % from the blueline/point leading to a goal. Personally I like when the hawks do it, in the end all it is, is a product of a lot of luck...the assist stat on that shot.

2) the subject is buff vs ladd by the way, i dont know if you caught that.

 

[HawkWriter]

1) easier said than done, there arent a lot of dman that actually do that, a few, but it isnt a flooded play that all nhl teams do on a regular basis.IMO, again IMO, not like some that state so called "fact"....the blue line shot on goal repetition isnt used because of the probability of a goal might be smaller than some other play drawn up. I dont have a stat that shows the % from the blueline/point leading to a goal. Personally I like when the hawks do it, in the end all it is, is a product of a lot of luck...the assist stat on that shot.

2) the subject is buff vs ladd by the way, i dont know if you caught that.

I realize what the subject is about.

I had to comment because that opinion of yours was so out there, and in my opinion so inaccurate that I was in disbelief that someone would believe that.

There is a reason defensemen are taught to walk the blueline and put a low hard shot on net from an early age. I would consider it one of the best plays in the game because only good things are going to come of it if the puck is put on net - the Dman will get a goal or there will be a rebound and the opportunity for a goal. How many people were pissed last year when Keith stopped walking the line as much and started firing pucks in an opposing players shin guards?

I don't know how you can say it isn't used...how many times do powerplays use that with a screen? When the powerplay isn't working, teams go to an umbrella and let the firing squad take place for a reason...it works.

 

[DewsSox79]

I realize what the subject is about.

I had to comment because that opinion of yours was so out there, and in my opinion so inaccurate that I was in disbelief that someone would believe that.

There is a reason defensemen are taught to walk the blueline and put a low hard shot on net from an early age. I would consider it one of the best plays in the game because only good things are going to come of it if the puck is put on net - the Dman will get a goal or there will be a rebound and the opportunity for a goal. How many people were pissed last year when Keith stopped walking the line as much and started firing pucks in an opposing players shin guards?

I don't know how you can say it isn't used...how many times do powerplays use that with a screen? When the powerplay isn't working, teams go to an umbrella and let the firing squad take place for a reason...it works.

you obviously have no idea what im trying to say.

the point is, the dmen who are notorious for over doing the perimeter shot have padded stats, if you look at other assists vs this type of assist you will see that the assist from these players are skewd. that is fact.

 

[HawkWriter]

you obviously have no idea what im trying to say.

the point is, the dmen who are notorious for over doing the perimeter shot have padded stats, if you look at other assists vs this type of assist you will see that the assist from these players are skewd. that is fact.

That isn't fact at all, in fact it is amazing that anyone could even say that. Padded stats by putting a shot on net that results in a goal? Wow. What dmen are notorious for putting low hard shots on the net...because the Blackhawks should sign them.

What other type of assists are there? The only assists that I know of are plays that result in a player scoring a goal. A pass or a rebound can result in a player scoring a goal.

 

[southern_cross_116]

HW, I know that you said you've coached before ( probably are doing it now for all I know -it wouldn't be that surprising really).

So I know that you know this one; my first coach (and granted I only started actually playing organised hockey when I was about 24) was:

A GOAL IS AS GOOD AS AN ASSIST ... anyone suggesting anything different or any variation on that is wrong. And I mean so fundimentally wrong, that I don't really think it merited a direct response- although I do get that there is the concept of you don't want any potentially impressionable kids that might play hockey getting led astray by whatever that was.

Otoh, if one were to buy into this entire line of dicussion (based upon some idiotic Eklund rumour), it would be possible to point out that -Mr Campbell (who apparently gets put on pedastals), happens to be the quintessential "point shooting stat padder" -which is about as "real" as Puff the Magic Dragon ... but you know whatever... I mean look at the stats (ironic how stats get chucked out there -continually -and I don't know why, because they never seem to read to me as conclusively as what they get portrayed as .... but I mean think about it - a guy who gets about 50 points a season and always scores less than 10 goals a year .... somehow that guy gets a pass in the great "stat padding defencemen shooting from the point" debating point...


Ahh yes, but it brings the vision of those upstanding honourable forwards that all of a sudden decide (during the middle of a game).... to pull up, stop -and shout back at the point: "Hey YOU!!! Yeah YOU, the Defenceman guy with the point shot.... #$@& You, score your own %^#$ed goal, as I am not even going to be tipping that ^%t in any more for you .... you lazy no good point whoring, can't do it on your own guy.


(Mind you that's copyrighted now - so if any of you go selling that to any Canadian comedy folks - I want a royalty ).

But man, come on. This transcended ridiculousness , even "Rediculousness" a long time back - please make it stop ... take the bad baiting man away... :wah:

 

[Capt. Serious]

Pronger done the rest of the season & playoffs.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Pronger done the rest of the season & playoffs.

Heard during the intermission of the Flyers/Canadiens game that even if he never plays again, the Flyers are stuck with his 5mil cap hit for the remainder of that contract. I remember that being mentioned when the league investigated him and Hossa's deals, but I never heard that the NHL settled on that rule.

That's awesome.