2013-14 NHL Season Discussion

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Grimson" data-cid="212086" data-time="1382584012">


Louis is a veteran he should know to keep his head up.


Not Scott's fault he's 7 inches taller. Initial contact made with shoulder.</p></blockquote>


I hate to admit this, but I agree with Variable.


Scott loaded up his elbow and used it to get a piece of Erikkson. He doesn't skate through him, but does more of a fly by.


While I never disagree that players aren't taking better precautions in their own safety, the fact of the matter is had Scott kept his elbow in and connected with his shoulder, this would of been a different situation. Instead, he attempts to get a piece of Erikkson and uses his elbow to do so.

 

[Tater]

It looked to me like his elbow flew out just after he passed him by. The angle they kept showing wasn't the best though, but his elbow seemed tucked until after contact.</p>

 

[puckjim]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="211903" data-time="1382445002">
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Again, those guys I listed were barely touched let alone played cheaply. Other players who play physical and such, yeah they suffered more than they were diagnosed with. Though, most guys who play a physical game have a higher risk of injury. Fighting wasn't put into place to protect them though.


Violent how? More fights? Sure. More cheap shots? I wouldn't go that far as today's game has plenty of cheap shots, atleast a major one every other game due to the lack of respect amongst the players.

You want to eliminate fighting right now? Fine go ahead, but say good by to the talent across the league. The Kaleta's and Torres's of the league are going to run the league into the dirt with no absolutely no fear. More guys will play over the edge as they know they can hit who ever they want and have now zero repercussions. At least now they know if they do something questionable, there is a good chance at some point they will have to answer to their actions. Maybe not immediately but very likely in the future. I'm sure with some guys, this fear keeps them from crossing the line.</p>
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There is zero evidence that fighting does anything to protect players. Kaleta and Torres are running roughshod around this league.  If fighting were eliminated, these guys would go away.  Is a worthless piece of shit like John Scott even on a roster in a league that doesn't allow fighting?  </p>


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Fighting only serves to satisfy the blood-lust of a tiny minority of hockey fans.....Fans the league can live without.</p>


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It's time for this peculiar institution to go away.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="puckjim" data-cid="212104" data-time="1382628045">


There is zero evidence that fighting does anything to protect players. Kaleta and Torres are running roughshod around this league. If fighting were eliminated, these guys would go away. Is a worthless piece of shit like John Scott even on a roster in a league that doesn't allow fighting?


Fighting only serves to satisfy the blood-lust of a tiny minority of hockey fans.....Fans the league can live without.


It's time for this peculiar institution to go away.</p></blockquote>


If fighting was eliminated like Hell they would go away. Torres and Kaleta both are 4th line grinders/energy guys. Unlike Scott they have a bit more skill. More or less in the mold of Burish or Colin Fraser.


They wouldn't go anywhere, as their skill for agitating would be a huge benefit in a game where retaliation would include a heavy amount of PIMs. They would go directly after the Toews and Kanes trying to get them to snap so they sit out 2,5 or 10 minutes.


Guys were held much more accountable for their actions when there was no instigator penalty. Hence why man highly skilled players were left alone and given space. Now? Everyone is an easy target since nothing can be done outside of a slap on the wrist that the nhl barely gives out.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Fighting has a purpose in the game, like it or not. The players agree, GMs agree and the people in charge agree. You may not like it, but to say a "tiny minority" actually likes it is a joke.


I personally like it for what it stands for and what it's purpose is. Unfortunately it's not something that can be either half in and half out. Either ban it (which will ruin the game in my opinion) or take away the instigator and allow the players to police themselves.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tater" data-cid="212094" data-time="1382619894">


It looked to me like his elbow flew out just after he passed him by. The angle they kept showing wasn't the best though, but his elbow seemed tucked until after contact.</p></blockquote>
I saw a reverse angle of him loading his elbow up and at the last second using it to get a piece of LK.

 

[Variable]

Fighting didn't deter them before the instigator either. Just watch any game, especially during the 70s.  It's never worked because there's no  objectivity from an enforcer's POV. It's "Us versus Them". There were and are still fights over legitimate, clean hits. There were fights just because. Their idea of what's "fair" is never going to amount to anything actual being that because they're biased. It was just an endless cycle of revenge and retribution and everyone was a target. That's the league's job to determine what a fair discipline is to be.</p>


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When the same types of players people want to trust with "policing the game" are also the ones making the kind of hits that John Scott  just did and play dirty (and guys like Colton Orr, Chris Neil, McLaren, etc, the list goes on), how the **** does that work out for a safer game with more respect among the players? It doesn't. It's just more dangerous.</p>

 

[Variable]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="puckjim" data-cid="212104" data-time="1382628045">
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There is zero evidence that fighting does anything to protect players. Kaleta and Torres are running roughshod around this league.  If fighting were eliminated, these guys would go away.  Is a worthless piece of shit like John Scott even on a roster in a league that doesn't allow fighting?  </p>


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Fighting only serves to satisfy the blood-lust of a tiny minority of hockey fans.....Fans the league can live without.</p>


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It's time for this peculiar institution to go away.</p>
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Guys like John Scott would go away, but not guys like Torres and Cooke and, to a lesser extent, Kaleta who can actually play hockey when they want to. It's not a simple solution of just taking fighting away and all the bad stuff that goes with it goes away. You have to sort out the disciplinary actions with dirty play along with it. It goes hand in hand. To me, fighting has always been just sort of a window dressing, something that is covering up the real problems. To give the illusion that there's something in place that stops bad things from happening. When it really just feeds into it. Getting rid of that alone isn't going to do much.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Ovechkin first to 10 goals!!!</p>


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50 in 50 GO OVIE GO!</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Just heard on espn 1000 , John Scott suspended indefinitely for the hit on L. Erickson. Thats one you don't see to often.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Spunky Porkstacker" data-cid="212215" data-time="1382714941">
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Just heard on espn 1000 , John Scott suspended indefinitely for the hit on L. Erickson. Thats one you don't see to often.</p>
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No it's what you see any time a player is offered an in person hearing.  They are suspended indefinitely until the hearing happens and any games they miss are deducted from the suspension.</p>

 

[~rabid platypus~]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Grimson" data-cid="212186" data-time="1382667448">
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Ovechkin first to 10 goals!!!</p>


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50 in 50 GO OVIE GO!</p>
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And steen matches him! If the Blues didn't have a whole fucking week off, he would be leading the league in goals.</p>

 

[roshinaya]

I am sure Steen can sustain that 35+% shooting percentage.

 

[MassHavoc]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Grimson" data-cid="212216" data-time="1382715528">
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No it's what you see any time a player is offered an in person hearing.  They are suspended indefinitely until the hearing happens and any games they miss are deducted from the suspension.</p>
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I'm glad you clarified this because I thought it was ridiculous to single out John Scott like this with an indefinite suspension when you have hits that are worse and end up being like 2 games. The inconsistency is the worst part of the NHL rules.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MassHavoc" data-cid="212413" data-time="1382977660">

I'm glad you clarified this because I thought it was ridiculous to single out John Scott like this with an indefinite suspension when you have hits that are worse and end up being like 2 games. The inconsistency is the worst part of the NHL rules.</p></blockquote>
Glad I can be useful every once in awhile lol.

His hearing is on Thursday (10/31).

 

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Grimson" data-cid="212451" data-time="1382982623">


Glad I can be useful every once in awhile

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Hahaha, everybody gets one

 

[MassHavoc]

He's usually good for at least one every 6 months... I'll give him that much credit.. .but it had been quite a while since the last one</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I hope Ovechkin scores 10 on Luongo tonight.</p>


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I will quickly go make a new troll account on the Canucks boards.  I've been banned more from the Canucks boards than I have from here!</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

LOL   bscene-birdiedoublered:  to Vancouver.</p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Teemu Out 2 weeks</p>


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Stu?</p>