2014 Chicago Cubs In-Season Discussion Thread

[chibears55]

I understand where you're coming from with this. However, as Silence said, it's not like shark hasn't gotten off to this sort of start before. That said why they haven't found a way to extend Wood yet seemingly is beyond me.

He not due to be a FA til 2017, no rush...

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[nwfisch]

He not due to be a FA til 2017, no rush...

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But don't you want to decide as an organization if you're committed to making him a $100M man sooner rather than later?

Not saying they need to sign him to a big extension now, but you should have it decided at this point if you want to keep Shark or not .

 

[chibears55]

But don't you want to decide as an organization if you're committed to making him a $100M man sooner rather than later?

Not saying they need to sign him to a big extension now, but you should have it decided at this point if you want to keep Shark or not .

I was responding to his question about travis wood not shark

Shark I agree, either he part of the long term plan or not..
I think if he still a cub after the deadline they will extend him

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[Boobaby1]

I understand where you're coming from with this. However, as Silence said, it's not like shark hasn't gotten off to this sort of start before. That said why they haven't found a way to extend Wood yet seemingly is beyond me.

I think it is due to Travis Wood as being a one-hit wonder for the brass. If he continues to pitch well, I think they can rule that out, thus, trying to extend him soon.

 

[Boobaby1]

Seriously? 53 wins would be the lowest win total in the expansion era. I mean you want to be objective and all. But I suppose hyperbole is okay when it makes your point.

No! Not seriously. But if the sell-off does come, I wouldn't put it much above it. The Cubs aren't going to sell off their shitty players only, they will sell what gives them the best return. Take those guys off the Cubs and then see what you have.

 

[dabynsky]

No! Not seriously. But if the sell-off does come, I wouldn't put it much above it. The Cubs aren't going to sell off their shitty players only, they will sell what gives them the best return. Take those guys off the Cubs and then see what you have.

A 60ish win team that we've seen the past several seasons and what we've seen more often than not in the past six decades. Look we've seen this script before. They will win another game or two before the end of April and be buried for the season at this point. We will see a two month stretch of .500ish play from this bunch and then a sell off that result in the record dropping into the 65 win range.

 

[Boobaby1]

A 60ish win team that we've seen the past several seasons and what we've seen more often than not in the past six decades. Look we've seen this script before. They will win another game or two before the end of April and be buried for the season at this point. We will see a two month stretch of .500ish play from this bunch and then a sell off that result in the record dropping into the 65 win range.

Well, this decade was fun. Wonder what's in store for the next one? :thinking:

 

[dabynsky]

Well, this decade was fun. Wonder what's in store for the next one?

This has been the pattern we've watched the same two seasons. I don't have a crystal ball, but it sure feels like we are playing out the same string that we were the past two years. Unless Soriano is some sort of game changing talent that was the difference between ten plus wins in a season than it sure feels like we are looking at the same.

As I've repeated again and again the change that will happen is based upon the big 4 (specifically Baez and Bryant). If one of those guys is a true stud. A guy that changes the lineup then things get better in a hurry. If most aren't major leaguers and the best of the bunch is just an average bat in the big leagues than people here will get their wish of regime change sooner than later. Nothing has changed in the past two years on this front. It is about impact talent for multiple seasons and those are the only guys potentially offering that for more than a few years.

 

[Boobaby1]

This has been the pattern we've watched the same two seasons. I don't have a crystal ball, but it sure feels like we are playing out the same string that we were the past two years. Unless Soriano is some sort of game changing talent that was the difference between ten plus wins in a season than it sure feels like we are looking at the same.

As I've repeated again and again the change that will happen is based upon the big 4 (specifically Baez and Bryant). If one of those guys is a true stud. A guy that changes the lineup then things get better in a hurry. If most aren't major leaguers and the best of the bunch is just an average bat in the big leagues than people here will get their wish of regime change sooner than later. Nothing has changed in the past two years on this front. It is about impact talent for multiple seasons and those are the only guys potentially offering that for more than a few years.

So everything is hedged square on the shoulders of a 20, 21, and 22 year old? Not much pressure their on a franchise.

And no, once again, I never stated Soriano was a 10 game changer. I stated he was better than what we have which is true. And that if he is better than what we have, you don't downgrade, you keep him while you are paying him and move on to something else and upgrade. His staying affected no one.

Do you see what's happening in Milwaukee? Point is, that could be the Cubs. You don't have to settle for losing. Minor upgrades can be made and not affect the farm in any way. That has always been my stance.

 

[dabynsky]

So everything is hedged square on the shoulders of a 20, 21, and 22 year old? Not much pressure their on a franchise.

And no, once again, I never stated Soriano was a 10 game changer. I stated he was better than what we have which is true. And that if he is better than what we have, you don't downgrade, you keep him while you are paying him and move on to something else and upgrade. His staying affected no one.

Do you see what's happening in Milwaukee? Point is, that could be the Cubs. You don't have to settle for losing. Minor upgrades can be made and not affect the farm in any way. That has always been my stance.

Where was the Ryan Braun on this roster? You can piece together complimentary guys, and the Cubs have some of those type of player currently on the roster. Not enough of them, but they are not totally bereft of major league talent either. I never said it was the best course of action, but where are those game changing talents going to come from for this team at this point in time? Where is our Ryan Braun?

 

[theberserkfury]

Where is our Ryan Braun?

Hopefully getting secretly juiced up somewhere...

 

[dabynsky]

Hopefully getting secretly juiced up somewhere...

Hopefully, I don't care how, but I want a true difference maker on this roster sooner than later. I don't want just pretty good players. I want a bonafide stud that you can build a roster around. I hope that one of those guys is in AAA or AA right now, but I don't know that is true. If it isn't true than this stays ugly for a long time.

 

[Icculus]

This has been the pattern we've watched the same two seasons. I don't have a crystal ball, but it sure feels like we are playing out the same string that we were the past two years. Unless Soriano is some sort of game changing talent that was the difference between ten plus wins in a season than it sure feels like we are looking at the same.

As I've repeated again and again the change that will happen is based upon the big 4 (specifically Baez and Bryant). If one of those guys is a true stud. A guy that changes the lineup then things get better in a hurry. If most aren't major leaguers and the best of the bunch is just an average bat in the big leagues than people here will get their wish of regime change sooner than later. Nothing has changed in the past two years on this front. It is about impact talent for multiple seasons and those are the only guys potentially offering that for more than a few years.

Here are the stats for Baez and Bryant.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bryant001kri

 

[dabynsky]

Here are the stats for Baez and Bryant.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bryant001kri

I am aware of their numbers which represent both good and bad performances to date. As has been said by many people it really doesn't matter until they do it in Chicago.

 

[SilenceS]

I fail to see what is bad about Bryants stats? K's? Baez always struggles in the first month and he went on the dl. See where he is about a months time.

 

[chibears55]

I fail to see what is bad about Bryants stats? K's? Baez always struggles in the first month and he went on the dl. See where he is about a months time.

I fail to see why supposed cubs fans get off seeing their prospects do bad and feel the need to gloat every time a bad situation comes about...

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[Boobaby1]

I fail to see why supposed cubs fans get off seeing their prospects do bad and feel the need to gloat every time a bad situation comes about...

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It's not gloating. It's called staying in the real world.

There were people on here that said that E-Jax should turn it around, Nate Schierholtz would be a bargain signing based on last years performance, and the bullpen should be a bright spot this year.

Fact is, E-Jax was never signed by any contender long term and is in the 5's as far as ERA, Schierholtz who never hit double digits in HR's before last year has yet to hit one this year, and the bullpen still stinks.

And the farm? They have some major concerns too, especially on the injury front.

Again, it's not gloating, it's hard core facts. :yep:

 

[beckdawg]

It's not gloating. It's called staying in the real world.

Sure seems like the real world only matters when people are right about their statements. I remember getting shit for suggesting Bonifacio was going to not only win a starting job but be a good player for the cubs. If that's people's jam so be it. And even when some are right I guess I just feel like my man jeffery... Just saying this stuffs supposed to be an enjoyable pastime and some make that very hard to find enjoyment in.

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[SilenceS]

It's not gloating. It's called staying in the real world.

There were people on here that said that E-Jax should turn it around, Nate Schierholtz would be a bargain signing based on last years performance, and the bullpen should be a bright spot this year.

Fact is, E-Jax was never signed by any contender long term and is in the 5's as far as ERA, Schierholtz who never hit double digits in HR's before last year has yet to hit one this year, and the bullpen still stinks.

And the farm? They have some major concerns too, especially on the injury front.

Again, it's not gloating, it's hard core facts. :yep:

Edwards and Soler? Who else is injured? The Cubs have way more depth then those two guys.

 

[dabynsky]

Edwards and Soler? Who else is injured? The Cubs have way more depth then those two guys.

Well to be completely fair Johnson just came back from injury and injury concerns is why the Cubs could land him in the supplemental round. Alcantara has also suffered a variety of injuries in his career with last year being the first time he played over a 100 games. Baez has dealt with some issues as well.