2014 Offseason Thread

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Well it could begin there, maybe they could add on another pick or someone like Palmieri but options are limited if Kesler is going to waive his NTC for only just a few teams.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Well it could begin there, maybe they could add on another pick or someone like Palmieri but options are limited if Kesler is going to waive his NTC for only just a few teams.</p>
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he will probably have to re-evaluate his choices as most tend to do. If he wants out of Vancouver bad enough he should look to Lou as an example of limiting the teams he would wave his NTC for. Esp when you have a couple other centers out there which give teams other options and alternatives ala Spezza and Richards.I could see Spezza in Anaheim before Kesler..just a gut opinion on that one though.</p>

 

[Variable]

I'm not underestimating Kesler, he's a great player. I just don't think a deal would be worth it to either team. I mean, it'd be stupid for them to take Sharp, I don't see that happening, but the alternative of trading other players (Shaw, Leddy, Kruger) opening up more holes, in addition to trading Sharp anyway to some other team for who knows what, giving up known chemistry between key players on this team and... for what exactly? Maybe 2 years of Kesler? An unknown x-factor in whoever they get back from Sharp in a separate deal? That's a huge mix up you're gambling with, with players you know work well together.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Not if the Hawke have prospects ready in Morin, Nordstrom, Dahlbeck, TT, Hartman to replace Leddy and Shaw

 

[PatrickShart]

Kesler would be an upgrade from Sharp


Hawks would have 2 Selke winning centers

 

[the canadian dream]

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For the right price (talking million or two at best) and term (one year) I wouldn't mind seeing Richards on the Hawks. He wants to win another championship, he's a skilled center and he isn't a liability like Handzus was. He might complement Kane more so than Shaw on the 2nd line.


This would allow the Hawks to give Teuvo some time in Rockford that everyone is bitching about him needing, and if it doesn't work out he's gone in a year.</p>
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Who doesn't? he had a chance to win another championship but his game was so troubled again that he got benched. Wanting a championship is great but his stamina is done.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Kesler would be an upgrade from Sharp


Hawks would have 2 Selke winning centers</p>
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Would be nice to have a guy like Kesler walk in and give the team an additional bump in drive. Not that Sharp doesn't still have it but you know as well as I do that some guys just get complacent after a while having played on the same team for such a long time. Change is good for both Sharp and the Hawks if it were ever to come down to this replacement. Kesler obviously has found himself in a situation in Vancouver where he just doesn't have the drive to be there anymore. Can't blame him esp right now with such rapid change. Same with Spezza these are guys that just need a change of scenery. Kesler would love to be out of the spotlight which is Vancouver hockey also (same with Spezza in Ottawa). Get them back to focussing on hockey. Not that Chicago doesn't have an annoying media and fan hockey base but its nothing compared to Vancouver I can assure you. </p>

 

[Variable]

I'm not saying Kesler wouldn't be more valuable, I'm just saying this isn't NHL 14 and multiple massive trades like that really don't happen, especially when they don't need to happen. If Terarvainen is ready (which I believe he makes the team this season) just put him in between  some combo of Kane, Saad, Sharp or Hossa  and be done with it and you're already a better team than you were this past season. Sign Saad to a bridge deal similar to what Schenn just got which would expire when Sharp's contract expires.  That's Sharp's replacement.</p>


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Keep Kruger (especially seeing as how important he is to the PK and how much better he's become at taking draws) and Leddy, after the season if you can't keep them, or don't want to, both are still RFA you can still deal them. Oduya and Rozie will be gone by then, opening up spots for guys like Johns (who has no experience at the pro level right now) or Dahlbeck and Clendening. Shaw can easily be dealt if you really want to a year or two from now, and by then someone like Hartman and/or Danualt will be ready after actually gaining some experience at the pro level. Most things should really just take care of themselves in time without really having to make major team changing trades, you couldn't ask to be set up better than the Hawks are right now.</p>


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Getting rid of a combination of Leddy, Shaw, Kruger and Sharp basically all for Kesler for maybe the remainder of his contract  is just mixing things up for no good reason. Why not just bring back the same team with Teuvo that got you within a goal of a back to back Final instead of massively overhauling it?</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

Strange i feel that Shaw is a must keep commodity over Kruger and Leddy. I know trades arent easy these days we all know they arent. Just having fodder fun here. As I have said earlier i never say never anymore. I used to I was actually one of those who thought Campbell would never be tradeable. Learnt my lesson from that one.</p>


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My problem with Leddy is he has made zero improvements on his defensive game. Love his skating abilities but yikes he has just very limited defensive awareness and capabilities and has shown no improvements. That frightens me. Only thing that secures him here is that there arent that great of prospects for that position right now. Olsen I thought would be. Clendening might be the best of the prospects and even then? Not that exciting in my opinion.</p>


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No secret I am a huge TT fan. Wouldn't want to see him moved for anything right now unless it was a guarantee win trade. Saad I had my doubts about until he gained some invaluable experience against the Kings and learnt to take his game to a new level away from the Perimeter. Now that he has shown that he can and is willing to do that it's the only reason I find Sharp expendable now. I think Saad may have a big year next season</p>

 

[Variable]

I think Saad will have a huge year as well, which is why I hope Bowman signs him to a bridge contract this offseason. And I think Sharp can have a huge season playing either on the top line or on a line  with Teuvo. Don't see the need to get rid of him, the Hawks have afforded themselves the opportunity in only having to make minor tweaks to the roster going into next season, don't see why they would gamble and start trading away 3-4 key players all centered around a short term fix in getting Kesler. I agree Saad is Sharp's replacement, but he doesn't need to replace him right now  Or in other words:</p>


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

lol well the media has picked up on out fodder and has now speculated that Sharp is on the trade block come the draft week. lmao</p>

 

[Variable]

Yeah well that's to be expected, writers gotta write. I think the same idiot that started the Kane for Miller trade is talking about Sharp being traded. Nick Krypeos.</p>

 

[Ton]

Lets think about this logically for a second.</p>


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Vancouver, a team with no one in their pipeline, just missed the playoffs this past season. Didn't even come close. They have an aging core, and if they plan on making the playoffs next season, they'll turn into Calgary from 2007-2011.</p>


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They have to rebuild.</p>


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Now factor in this "Sharp" rumor... an aging vet, with what, two years left on his deal? Won't really provide them with a long term solution. If he is the centerpiece of the deal, then Jim Benning is a bigger idiot than Mike Gillis.</p>


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If they are rebuilding, they will have no interest in Sharp, let alone factoring whether Sharp will go there or not. Chances are, he won't.</p>


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If there is a deal to be made, then they will need to trade a young NHL player, possibly a top prospect, and maybe even a conditional draft pick. Knowing that, the Hawks don't have the Cap space to make that deal, but the Canucks can always retain some salary to balance it out.</p>


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Be prepared, if a deal happens, to lose one of Shaw, Leddy, Smith, Kruger, Hjalmarsson, and a top defensive prospect (or a top forward prospect if it's Hjalmarsson/Leddy). Vancouver would be smart to make a deal like that, not Sharp.</p>

 

[Variable]

Which would be a horrible deal for the Hawks and they'd be insane to do it. Absolutely horrible.</p>

 

[Ton]

I don't think it would be horrible, Kesler is a top center. We have depth to replace any one of those guys on the bottom lines, with the exception of Hjalmarsson, but he has to be thrown into the mix as a potential target... for sure.</p>


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How is trading a 3rd/4th line player, and a guy like... lets say Morin, or McNeill, or Dahlbeck, for a top center horrible? Even Teuvo would have to be considered.</p>


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That's improvement if you ask me, and works for both teams needs.</p>

 

[Maiden]

1. Sharp has never been mentioned in trade talks going to Vancouver. Only Toronto and Winnipeg.</p>


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2. Rumor is Sharp has alienated himself amongst his teammates; hasn't been a great locker room presence. (truth, no idea?)</p>


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3. Canucks covet Kadri. Possible 3 way with Toronto with many others included. Kadri to Vancouver, Sharp to Toronto, Kesler to Chicago.</p>

 

[Ton]

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1. Sharp has never been mentioned in trade talks going to Vancouver. Only Toronto and Winnipeg.</p>


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2. Rumor is Sharp has alienated himself amongst his teammates; hasn't been a great locker room presence. (truth, no idea?)</p>


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3. Canucks covet Kadri. Possible 3 way with Toronto with many others included. Kadri to Vancouver, Sharp to Toronto, Kesler to Chicago.</p>
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I wouldn't rule something like that out... but I doubt #2 is accurate. First time I've ever heard that. Either way, that makes more sense than Sharp to Vancouver, but I still don't think Toronto would benefit from that trade.</p>


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Kadri is young, scored 50 points this season... had 44 points in 48 games last season, why would they trade him for an aging Sharp? It's not like they are a Cup contender here. Their window is not now, and Kadri is on the rise.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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1. Sharp has never been mentioned in trade talks going to Vancouver. Only Toronto and Winnipeg.</p>


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2. Rumor is Sharp has alienated himself amongst his teammates; hasn't been a great locker room presence. (truth, no idea?)</p>


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3. Canucks covet Kadri. Possible 3 way with Toronto with many others included. Kadri to Vancouver, Sharp to Toronto, Kesler to Chicago.</p>
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I have heard this from TWO sources close to the team.</p>


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Neither of which are RK.</p>

 

[Variable]

Well you just lost an entire PK unit. And maybe your best pure defensive d-man that you just re-signed to a very good long term deal in that move. Remember how losing Frolik put the Hawks in a bit of funk trying to reconfigure the PK units to start off the season? Good luck trying to reconfigure that shit now. You also lost a great third line player in Shaw, who can play on the top lines if needed and was a really good net presence on the power play, and a similar type of player like that in Smith. All for two years of Ryan Kesler? No thanks.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

And the Leafs continue to ignore their biggest issues? yah that sounds like the Leafs. gather more offense which they have no real series issues with and ignore the goals against which is an ongoing problem. Not buying the Leafs rumor and this is the first time I heard of it. Did it come from Twitter? Kadri has been in trade rumors for 2 years now its what Leaf fans like to talk about.</p>