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This is where I get confused. People get worked up because he lied. Im not sure what he was suppose to do. Go, hey, it was me. Now, kick me out of the only thing I ever loved because I have a problem.
 

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This is where I get confused. People get worked up because he lied. Im not sure what he was suppose to do. Go, hey, it was me. Now, kick me out of the only thing I ever loved because I have a problem.

You got a problem with someone doing the right thing and being honest?
 

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You got a problem with someone doing the right thing and being honest?
What it amounts to is that from an initial reaction, it's human nature to lie. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" changed to that "depends on what the the definition of is is." That's just one example of many. That person occupied the White House and no one cared enough to remove him from office, yet here we have a guy admitting the root cause of the problem, is regretful and it's just not good enough for you.
 

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What it amounts to is that from an initial reaction, it's human nature to lie. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" changed to that "depends on what the the definition of is is." That's just one example of many. That person occupied the White House and no one cared enough to remove him from office, yet here we have a guy admitting the root cause of the problem, is regretful and it's just not good enough for you.

Human nature? IF, and that's a big IF, it is, we are to fight it.
The analogy is a stretch with the President.
Back to Rose....
He didn't admit it until he profited from it. Before that he not only denied it, but multiple times lied about it when given the chance to come clean. And that is just alright with you.

EDIT: Changed admitted to denied
 

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I don't have to be pacified. I'm not his judge, but it's clear you want to be.

It's clear you want him off. I want not to be his judge. He broke a rule that came with a known punishment. I'm all good. You're the one with the issues on judgement.
 

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It's clear you want him off. I want not to be his judge. He broke a rule that came with a known punishment. I'm all good. You're the one with the issues on judgement.
If you weren't interested in being his judge, you wouldn't be so concerned about what he regrets and what he doesn't. Plank. Meet eye. Please remove.
 

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Human nature? IF, and that's a big IF, it is, we are to fight it.
The analogy is a stretch with the President.
Back to Rose....
He didn't admit it until he profited from it. Before that he not only admitted it, but multiple times lied about it when given the chance to come clean. And that is just alright with you.
No. It's not all right with me. What is all right with me is that he was punished and I think it's been long enough.
 

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If you weren't interested in being his judge, you wouldn't be so concerned about what he regrets and what he doesn't. Plank. Meet eye. Please remove.

I'm not concerned. Pointing out facts is not concern. Boy o boy again you get off on the proverbial wrong side of the bed.
 

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No. It's not all right with me. What is all right with me is that he was punished and I think it's been long enough.

Thus you wish to be judge. It's ok you don't see it. Don't beat yourself up over that.
 

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Thus you wish to be judge. It's ok you don't see it. Don't beat yourself up over that.
Wrong again. You created a strawman. No one is OK with him betting, getting caught, and lying about it.
 

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Wrong again. You created a strawman. No one is OK with him betting, getting caught, and lying about it.

No one is saying that he is. If you insist on using the word strawman please look up what it means. You haven't used it correctly in this thread that I recall.
 

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No one is saying that he is.

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He didn't admit it until he profited from it. Before that he not only denied it, but multiple times lied about it when given the chance to come clean. And that is just alright with you.

EDIT: Changed admitted to denied


If you insist on using the word strawman please look up what it means. You haven't used it correctly in this thread that I recall.
A strawman is an informal fallacy that is the misrepresentation of the opposing position to create an argument more easily defeated. You just did it and have done it previously in this thread. None of us have stated that Rose should not have been punished, yet you continue to use verbage that indicates we are OK with him betting on baseball. I will not be responding to you in this thread again regarding Rose.
 

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A strawman is an informal fallacy that is the misrepresentation of the opposing position to create an argument more easily defeated. You just did it and have done it previously in this thread. None of us have stated that Rose should not have been punished, yet you continue to use verbage that indicates we are OK with him betting on baseball. I will not be responding to you in this thread again regarding Rose.

I've done no such thing. Based on responses here by SilenceS and yourself it is a summation to this point, but feel free to clarify if I was wrong on such summation.
Show any verbiage that shows I say anyone is ok with the fact that Rose bet on gambling let alone you.
 

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You got a problem with someone doing the right thing and being honest?

Would it have changed the outcome? If the rule is the rule, would it have changed the outcome?
 

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