2015 cubs in season trades

[beckdawg]

Who was it that said something about Soler being the person to be moved to get pitching? :thinking:

Schwarber can play left, Cogs and Denorphia to RF unless they pick up someone in a monster deal.

Also, Castro will not be put on waivers. He will be gone waaaayyyyy before that IMO.

I think they will throw something (prospects) in a deal to make it happen.

Another option is Bryant to RF(has more value there than LF) and Baez to 3B or some form of Castro/Russell. Also, For this year Lake might be worth giving another long look given how he's playing in AAA. If it is seriously a case of Soler for Teheran alone or possibly even more.... I'm really interested assuming the medical stuff all checks out.

 

[Boobaby1]

Another option is Bryant to RF(has more value there than LF) and Baez to 3B or some form of Castro/Russell. Also, For this year Lake might be worth giving another long look given how he's playing in AAA. If it is seriously a case of Soler for Teheran alone or possibly even more.... I'm really interested assuming the medical stuff all checks out.

Me too.

Either way. I want a young pitcher with upside.

BTW, the Giants just picked up Mike Leake from Cinci.

 

[beckdawg]

GW's article had me interested so I looked a bit deeper into Teheran. I'm not seeing this supposed velocity drop. Fangraphs pitch f/x had his velocity's as follows

Career
unclassified fastball 85.5 min 95.7 max 91.7 average 3690 pitches
two seam fastball 82.3 min 94.2 max 89.2 average 1669 pitches
slider 76.1 min 89.3 max 81.1 average 1629 pitches
curve 67.7 min 83.1 max 73.5 average 977 pitches
change 63.9 min 87.7 max 81.7 average 622 pitches

this year
unclassified fastball 87.3 min 94.6 max 91.5 average
two seam fastball 84.1 min 94.2 max 89.9 average
slider 76.1 min 84.8 max 80.3 average
curve 68.6 min 77.8 max 72.5 average
change 78.4 min 84.1 max 81.6 average

As you can see the only real variance is the slider and curve but that doesn't really seem like a cause for concern. Without digging too deep here seems like his issues are largely related to giving up too many HR's and walking too many guys so my guess would be he probably struggling with his command some compared to past years.

 

[Boobaby1]

GW's article had me interested so I looked a bit deeper into Teheran. I'm not seeing this supposed velocity drop. Fangraphs pitch f/x had his velocity's as follows

Career
unclassified fastball 85.5 min 95.7 max 91.7 average 3690 pitches
two seam fastball 82.3 min 94.2 max 89.2 average 1669 pitches
slider 76.1 min 89.3 max 81.1 average 1629 pitches
curve 67.7 min 83.1 max 73.5 average 977 pitches
change 63.9 min 87.7 max 81.7 average 622 pitches

this year
unclassified fastball 87.3 min 94.6 max 91.5 average
two seam fastball 84.1 min 94.2 max 89.9 average
slider 76.1 min 84.8 max 80.3 average
curve 68.6 min 77.8 max 72.5 average
change 78.4 min 84.1 max 81.6 average

As you can see the only real variance is the slider and curve but that doesn't really seem like a cause for concern. Without digging too deep here seems like his issues are largely related to giving up too many HR's and walking too many guys so my guess would be he probably struggling with his command some compared to past years.

His ERA the last two years has been quite impressive. TOR numbers if you ask me.

He looks to just be having one of those years where everything is up across the board.

He has been a victim of the HR every year, but the WHIP has remained steady, as has the ERA.

That said, he is a 24 year old, and I am sure IF the Cubs have done their homework, obviously someone sees something.

The Cubs and Braves have dealt a bit with each other, so a connection just might be there.

Still, you would have to think that at worst, he would be a rotational upgrade if this is indeed who they are going after.

The next 16 hours or so shall tell a lot.

 

[SilenceS]

Castro still here? I thought he was traded 7 times by now. Da fuq?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

His ERA the last two years has been quite impressive. TOR numbers if you ask me.

He looks to just be having one of those years where everything is up across the board.

He has been a victim of the HR every year, but the WHIP has remained steady, as has the ERA.

That said, he is a 24 year old, and I am sure IF the Cubs have done their homework, obviously someone sees something.

The Cubs and Braves have dealt a bit with each other, so a connection just might be there.

Still, you would have to think that at worst, he would be a rotational upgrade if this is indeed who they are going after.

The next 16 hours or so shall tell a lot.

Backend upgrade for 2015, the young starter they've been looking to develop going forward. With 3 full years in MLB it's unlikely Soler is enough. It's an interesting possibility though.

 

[beckdawg]

Backend upgrade for 2015, the young starter they've been looking to develop going forward. With 3 full years in MLB it's unlikely Soler is enough. It's an interesting possibility though.

Don't be so sure there. Remember John Hart just took over and he may not view Teheran in the same fashion. You could argue that the trade they just made with the Dodgers fits a similar bill of trading highly regarded players from a previous regime.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Don't be so sure there. Remember John Hart just took over and he may not view Teheran in the same fashion. You could argue that the trade they just made with the Dodgers fits a similar bill of trading highly regarded players from a previous regime.

Certainly part of the equation. The chatter this morning is that the Cubs want more than Teheran from the Braves for Soler and the Braves want more than Soler for Teheran. Those are the kind of impasses that often make for bigger deals but the Braves might have blown their wad on the big deals already. Today will be interesting. I think the Cubs add a pitcher today but if I had to rank probability I'd say Ian Kennedy, Dan Haren, Teheran and Tyson Ross in that order.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Castro still here? I thought he was traded 7 times by now. Da fuq?

If/when he gets traded, I'm going to nickname that player "bag of balls" no matter how good or bad he is as a Cub.

 

[CSF77]

Orioles Weighing Gerardo Parra, Ben Revere; Discussing Tommy Hunter With Cubs
By Jeff Todd [July 31, 2015 at 7:40am CDT]
The Orioles are looking at a pair of left-handed hitting outfielders in Gerardo Parra of the Brewers and Ben Revere of the Phillies, Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com reports. The club was talking about a deal involving minor league hurler Zach Davies (in addition to other pieces).

Confirming and building on that report, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says Baltimore is indeed pursuing talks on both Parra and Revere (Twitter links). Baltimore is also working on a deal with the Cubs involving reliever Tommy Hunter, per the report. The team would look to save some cash (around $1.5MM) while adding a minor leaguer from Chicago.


Cubs, Indians Discussing Carlos Carrasco
By Tim Dierkes [July 31, 2015 at 7:36am CDT]
The Cubs are “among [the] teams engaged in ongoing dialogue” with the Indians about starting pitcher Carlos Carrasco, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal says teams continue to call the Indians and make offers on the 28-year-old, who pitched a complete game last night.

Since rejoining the Indians’ rotation on August 10th of last year, Carrasco has been a new man, with a 3.07 ERA, 10.0 K/9, 1.7 BB/9, and 0.64 HR/9 in 196 1/3 innings. The Indians deftly signed him to a four-year extension in April, which could run through 2020 if both club options are exercised. As he’s guaranteed only about $21MM through 2018, Carrasco is a very valuable commodity.

 

[beckdawg]

Ken Rosenthal ✔@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Cubs among teams engaged in ongoing dialogue with #Indians about deal for Carrasco. Teams continuing to call CLE, make offers.

 

[CSF77]

Carrasco: 16: 4.5 mil, 17: 6.5 mil, 18: 8 mil. 19 & 20 are team options. 32 & 33 YO 9 mil and 9.5 mil.

His numbers this year: FIP: 2.83 BB/9: 1.9 SO/9: 9.9.

He is pretty good and hitting his prime years with a very solid deal going on.

Now this is a guy I could see them giving up some prime pieces for. SS for the Indians is pretty set up. But the Cubs have position depth going on. I could see a deal around Almora, Alcantara and Edwards here.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Carrasco: 16: 4.5 mil, 17: 6.5 mil, 18: 8 mil. 19 & 20 are team options. 32 & 33 YO 9 mil and 9.5 mil.

His numbers this year: FIP: 2.83 BB/9: 1.9 SO/9: 9.9.

He is pretty good and hitting his prime years with a very solid deal going on.

Now this is a guy I could see them giving up some prime pieces for. SS for the Indians is pretty set up. But the Cubs have position depth going on. I could see a deal around Almora, Alcantara and Edwards here.

I would think Baez would have to be in that deal in this case because of his versatility not to play SS. Edwards is a very nice get for anyone, if he's not a starter he will be a very effective set man or closer, but Almora and Alcantara carry huge risk without the upside that Baez still has.

 

[CSF77]

I would think Baez would have to be in that deal in this case because of his versatility not to play SS. Edwards is a very nice get for anyone, if he's not a starter he will be a very effective set man or closer, but Almora and Alcantara carry huge risk without the upside that Baez still has.

Maybe. I'm not a fan of giving up Baez. He has MVP type talent if what he is doing right now translates.

I would rather trade Soler before trading Baez. Weird I guess. But I see Baez having a very high ceiling and Soler having a higher floor

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Maybe. I'm not a fan of giving up Baez. He has MVP type talent if what he is doing right now translates.

I would rather trade Soler before trading Baez. Weird I guess. But I see Baez having a very high ceiling and Soler having a higher floor

I don't necessarily disagree. Baez is such a good instinctual player that he could fit in the OF or at 2B, SS or 3B. If he has fixed his swing, which it sure looks like it from limited video I've seen, he could be scary. His floor is a utility infielder with occasional pop. That is worrisome. I'm not sure I agree with Soler's floor though as I see him being an everyday MLB player for a long time. He got flummoxed early by not getting the benefit of the doubt on the strike zone and it hurt him. I'd be willing to bet that with offseason work and a ST under his belt that he gets back to being the more disciplined hitter he was supposed to be. The defense will improve naturally, he has the skills now he has to learn to put them together. That said there is no question that he doesn't have Baez' ceiling. Not close. I'd probably be more inclined to trade Soler than Baez but that's not an easy call.

 

[PickSix]

I don't necessarily disagree. Baez is such a good instinctual player that he could fit in the OF or at 2B, SS or 3B. If he has fixed his swing, which it sure looks like it from limited video I've seen, he could be scary. His floor is a utility infielder with occasional pop. That is worrisome. I'm not sure I agree with Soler's floor though as I see him being an everyday MLB player for a long time. He got flummoxed early by not getting the benefit of the doubt on the strike zone and it hurt him. I'd be willing to bet that with offseason work and a ST under his belt that he gets back to being the more disciplined hitter he was supposed to be. The defense will improve naturally, he has the skills now he has to learn to put them together. That said there is no question that he doesn't have Baez' ceiling. Not close. I'd probably be more inclined to trade Soler than Baez but that's not an easy call.

Flummoxed......sweet.

 

[JZsportsfan]

Baez for Kimbrel, do you do it?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Baez for Kimbrel, do you do it?

The upside 2 years and 2 months of one of the few real closers in baseball. The downside, Baez could be really special and this move still doesn't get you a young starter which you probably need more than a closer. I liked the idea of a larger trade bringing Ross and Kimbrel in a package with Baez a lot more. Very, very tough call but, yes I'd probably do it.

 

[Grizzly]

Haren to the Cubs. Haven't heard who they are giving up.

86 mph on his fastball? CSF77 will be pulling his hair out.

 

[JZsportsfan]

Would have been nice to make this trade before he made his start yesterday. Now have to have another spot guy go on Sunday when it could have been Haren

2 minor leaguers for Haren, 1 positional, 1 pitcher