2015 Cubs Offseason Discussion

[SilenceS]

Before we anoint Schwarber to joining the Cubs anytime soon, let's see how he translates in AA and AAA as the pitching gets much, much tougher. Not saying he won't make it or could be an elite hitter, just saying to temper the thoughts regarding his skills until further evidence is revealed.

I agree here. He was an advanced college bat that is supposed to be better then A ball players. He even struggled in High A for some weeks and then got super hot. People take this the wrong way. I think Schwarber has a nice bat, but Im not near as high on him as others. I also still see no way he sticks at catcher which would have made him have a lot more value.

 

[chibears55]

Just throwing this out there for thoughts. .

Say the cubs do get martin, does that make castillo trade bait ?

If so, maybe use him as part of a deal for cole hamel, maybe even add Alcantara .. Utley (36) final year...

Guess my thought process wasnt too crazy..
You still laughing Dews?

Bruce Levine reported Saturday morning the Phillies have talked to the Cubs about Welington Castillo. According to Levine, the Cubs would be willing to trade Castillo, in the right deal, if the front office is able to sign Russell Martin. Levine mentioned Castillo could be used in a package to acquire Hamels. The Phillies possible interest in Castillo should not come as a surprise. Ryne Sandberg was Castillo’s manager in Peoria (2007), Tennessee (2009) and Iowa (2010).

 

[DewsSox79]

Guess my thought process wasnt too crazy..
You still laughing Dews?

Bruce Levine reported Saturday morning the Phillies have talked to the Cubs about Welington Castillo. According to Levine, the Cubs would be willing to trade Castillo, in the right deal, if the front office is able to sign Russell Martin. Levine mentioned Castillo could be used in a package to acquire Hamels. The Phillies possible interest in Castillo should not come as a surprise. Ryne Sandberg was Castillo’s manager in Peoria (2007), Tennessee (2009) and Iowa (2010).

ummmm. its going to take a lot more than sir wellington to get hamels. this isnt a video game.


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[chibears55]

ummmm. its going to take a lot more than sir wellington to get hamels. this isnt a video game.


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Ummmmm again you must either need glasses or cant read because Levine and myself both mentioned Castillo as being 1 piece of the cubs part in the trade..

 

[Shawon0Meter]

wellington castillo, brett jackson, manny ramirez, josh vitters, and corey patterson

 

[theberserkfury]

Ummmmm again you must either need glasses or cant read because Levine and myself both mentioned Castillo as being 1 piece of the cubs part in the trade..

Or he's just a troll... I think he's admitted as much.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Guess my thought process wasnt too crazy..
You still laughing Dews?

Bruce Levine reported Saturday morning the Phillies have talked to the Cubs about Welington Castillo. According to Levine, the Cubs would be willing to trade Castillo, in the right deal, if the front office is able to sign Russell Martin. Levine mentioned Castillo could be used in a package to acquire Hamels. The Phillies possible interest in Castillo should not come as a surprise. Ryne Sandberg was Castillo’s manager in Peoria (2007), Tennessee (2009) and Iowa (2010).

Is it just me or does Bruce Levine drive anyone else crazy? His trade predictions are often ones that no one else reports and never come to fruition. He continues to push the notion that the Cubs need to spend in this off season because they've said they want to compete but he seems to not understand that they want to compete but only hope to contend. Levine consistently says the kind of stuff that make dumb fans impatient. Less than a year ago he was saying he didn't think the plan was working. Anyway I usually dismiss his trade speculation. I realize he's covered baseball in this town for thirty years but that doesn't mean he's usually right.

 

[beckdawg]

I agree here. He was an advanced college bat that is supposed to be better then A ball players. He even struggled in High A for some weeks and then got super hot. People take this the wrong way. I think Schwarber has a nice bat, but Im not near as high on him as others. I also still see no way he sticks at catcher which would have made him have a lot more value.

The longest he went in A+ without a hit was 3 games. The period I assume you're talking about is from his call up on july 16th through august 5th where he hit .231/.361/.338 with a .255 BABIP. Clearly the average is down but he also hit 50 point below average BABIP and still had a .361 OBP. I'd hardly call that struggling especially when you consider Daytona is a top 3 pitchers league in the minors.

 

[chibears55]

Is it just me or does Bruce Levine drive anyone else crazy? His trade predictions are often ones that no one else reports and never come to fruition. He continues to push the notion that the Cubs need to spend in this off season because they've said they want to compete but he seems to not understand that they want to compete but only hope to contend. Levine consistently says the kind of stuff that make dumb fans impatient. Less than a year ago he was saying he didn't think the plan was working. Anyway I usually dismiss his trade speculation. I realize he's covered baseball in this town for thirty years but that doesn't mean he's usually right.

I dont disagree about what you said just he wasnt predicting this move he said the Phillies contacted the cubs about castillo

 

[SilenceS]

The longest he went in A+ without a hit was 3 games. The period I assume you're talking about is from his call up on july 16th through august 5th where he hit .231/.361/.338 with a .255 BABIP. Clearly the average is down but he also hit 50 point below average BABIP and still had a .361 OBP. I'd hardly call that struggling especially when you consider Daytona is a top 3 pitchers league in the minors.

It is if your calling him a cant miss bat and people trying to put him in the category with Bryant. He is much more advanced then that league. That was my point.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Industry sources say the Phils are looking for at least three top prospects, two that can play right now and another that isn’t far away. The Cubs and Red Sox are two known suitors and both have the farm systems to get a deal done — if they are willing to meet the Phillies’ rightfully high asking price. Amaro and interim club president Pat Gillick must play the Cubs and Red Sox (and maybe even the Dodgers) against each other as they try to maximize their return on Hamels. If they don’t get what they want, they should hang on to Hamels and float his name again in July when a pitching-thirsty contender might be more desperate to ante up.

Hamels has a limited no-trade clause, but that shouldn’t be an impediment to a deal. Though he has said all the right things, Hamels is eager to pitch for a winner again. He is owed $96 million over the next four seasons and he’d be smart to have the Cubs, Red Sox and Dodgers on his no-trade clause. That way he could insist on his $20 million option for 2019 being picked up as a condition for OKing a deal. Even at $116 million, Hamels is a good pickup considering the top free-agent pitchers in this market (Jon Lester, Max Scherzer) will be looking for more than $150 million
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-p...ove?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[beckdawg]

It is if your calling him a cant miss bat and people trying to put him in the category with Bryant. He is much more advanced then that league. That was my point.

It was like 2 weeks... which is ironic coming out of you who generally is first to talk about people overreacting about short samples.

 

[JZsportsfan]

Industry sources say the Phils are looking for at least three top prospects, two that can play right now and another that isn’t far away. The Cubs and Red Sox are two known suitors and both have the farm systems to get a deal done — if they are willing to meet the Phillies’ rightfully high asking price. Amaro and interim club president Pat Gillick must play the Cubs and Red Sox (and maybe even the Dodgers) against each other as they try to maximize their return on Hamels. If they don’t get what they want, they should hang on to Hamels and float his name again in July when a pitching-thirsty contender might be more desperate to ante up.

Hamels has a limited no-trade clause, but that shouldn’t be an impediment to a deal. Though he has said all the right things, Hamels is eager to pitch for a winner again. He is owed $96 million over the next four seasons and he’d be smart to have the Cubs, Red Sox and Dodgers on his no-trade clause. That way he could insist on his $20 million option for 2019 being picked up as a condition for OKing a deal. Even at $116 million, Hamels is a good pickup considering the top free-agent pitchers in this market (Jon Lester, Max Scherzer) will be looking for more than $150 million
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-p...ove?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Hamels isn't worth 3 top prospects when guys like Lester, Scherzer, Price, and Cueto will be on the market in the next 12-14 months. Hamels contract is pretty much market value so there isn't any additional value there.

 

[SilenceS]

It was like 2 weeks... which is ironic coming out of you who generally is first to talk about people overreacting about short samples.

Lol, right back at ya. My point was to pump the brakes on him. He is not the caliber of hitter as Bryant and isnt a cant miss bat. Thats why your post is humorous. The sample I "used" wasnt meant to be the defining point of my post, but I thank you for the concern.

 

[DewsSox79]

Ummmmm again you must either need glasses or cant read because Levine and myself both mentioned Castillo as being 1 piece of the cubs part in the trade..

you and bruuuuce can keep thinking that. let me know how it works out.


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[DewsSox79]

Industry sources say the Phils are looking for at least three top prospects, two that can play right now and another that isn’t far away. The Cubs and Red Sox are two known suitors and both have the farm systems to get a deal done — if they are willing to meet the Phillies’ rightfully high asking price. Amaro and interim club president Pat Gillick must play the Cubs and Red Sox (and maybe even the Dodgers) against each other as they try to maximize their return on Hamels. If they don’t get what they want, they should hang on to Hamels and float his name again in July when a pitching-thirsty contender might be more desperate to ante up.

Hamels has a limited no-trade clause, but that shouldn’t be an impediment to a deal. Though he has said all the right things, Hamels is eager to pitch for a winner again. He is owed $96 million over the next four seasons and he’d be smart to have the Cubs, Red Sox and Dodgers on his no-trade clause. That way he could insist on his $20 million option for 2019 being picked up as a condition for OKing a deal. Even at $116 million, Hamels is a good pickup considering the top free-agent pitchers in this market (Jon Lester, Max Scherzer) will be looking for more than $150 million
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-p...ove?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

but but castillo and stuff


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[TC in Mississippi]

It is if your calling him a cant miss bat and people trying to put him in the category with Bryant. He is much more advanced then that league. That was my point.

Well the fair way to compare them then is to compare Schwarber's 2014 to Bryant's 2013 where they went through the same levels. The inky difference us that Bryant played 2 months less than Schwarber because Boras held him out until the deadline and Schwarber signed immediately. I'll look into those numbers when I have a chance until someone beats me to it.

 

[chibears55]

you and bruuuuce can keep thinking that. let me know how it works out.


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How what works out...

If the Phils and cubs make a deal for hamels , Castillo would be part of the package...

your trying to hard to make this more then what it is and it making you look stupid...

 

[chibears55]

Well the fair way to compare them then is to compare Schwarber's 2014 to Bryant's 2013 where they went through the same levels. The inky difference us that Bryant played 2 months less than Schwarber because Boras held him out until the deadline and Schwarber signed immediately. I'll look into those numbers when I have a chance until someone beats me to it.

My guess without looking Is bryant was way ahead...

 

[DewsSox79]

Is it just me or does Bruce Levine drive anyone else crazy? His trade predictions are often ones that no one else reports and never come to fruition. He continues to push the notion that the Cubs need to spend in this off season because they've said they want to compete but he seems to not understand that they want to compete but only hope to contend. Levine consistently says the kind of stuff that make dumb fans impatient. Less than a year ago he was saying he didn't think the plan was working. Anyway I usually dismiss his trade speculation. I realize he's covered baseball in this town for thirty years but that doesn't mean he's usually right.

he comes across way too arrogant. he seems to think he is one of the biggest insiders. for him, a media member of chicago, he shouldnt be saying castillo should be the main piece as that makes him look awful. the shawnometer post seems about right...not sure i would do that deal though.


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