2015 Spring Training Thread

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Spring triaining stats are meaningless to a certain degree. I wasnt having it both way. I put it in your perspective. Basically, you say Alcanatara and Olt have done well when they have struck out right around the same rate as Baez. Alcantara has walked 1 more time. You are basically saying Alcantara has fixed himself because a few more balls found hole then Baez. Its a difference of 5 hits in BA btw Alcantara and Baez. If you say Baez hasnt earned it, then you cant say Alcantara has earned it.

Yet again, Joe Maddon is much smarter then us when it comes on how to develop prospects. He thinks Baez should be on the big league club then I trust his decision. He knows a **** ton more then us.

I couldn't care less what Maddon thinks to be honest. For one, you know as well as I do that anything he said could just be coach speak. Aside from that, the argument that he knows more is kind of pointless to me because it is essentially the same as saying what he does is unquestionable because he "knows more." If he makes any controversial in game call everyone and their mom will be on him if he's wrong. That's sports. People are entitled to their opinions. If he thinks Baez is ready keeps him then whatever I'll roll with it. But like I said, I think it's entirely fucking stupid from a team standpoint to keep Alcantara up then because you're choosing to waste full time play for one of the two.

As for the spring training thing, I don't think we really need to get into a big debate over the stats and which may matter and not. My only point where is you can't say that Baez has done well. I know you'll argue he's hit the ball hard but to me that's not really a surprise because when he made contact last year in the majors he hit the ball *HARD*. That's just the player he is. Ultimately Alcantara and Olt may be fools gold based on the stats. I've been pretty clear to acknowledge that possibility. My point in talking about DWL/ST stats is that while their bb/k rate might not be the most stellar ever that they have still hit well. There's two ways you can interpret that. One is that it's all an illusion based on sample size. The other is that rather than the average/obp being the illusion the bb/k rate is what is the noise and that will come down. Not only has Baez had bad bb/k rates(3 walks 20 K's in 52 ABs) but he's also got over 2x as many K's as hits(9).

To me it comes down to the fact that you don't keep Baez on the team unless he starts at 2B because he has to get full time play. I don't think you should keep Alcantara if you do that because he too should get full time play be it at MLB or AAA. As a coach, I honestly can't see how you rationalize starting Baez who's been worse than not just Alcantara but also La Stella. As a team, I don't see how you justify to your fans and to the MLBPA starting Baez and sending Bryant down. I say that as someone who thinks Bryant should start in AAA.

And again, I've yet to see an argument as to how him starting in AAA hurts him. For one, we know for a fact he's working on some tweaks to his swing. Additionally from his ST numbers we know that there's a lot of work still to be had. Even if "there's nothing for him in AAA" last season that's prior to him messing with his swing which can take even developed players time(see: Castro). Starting him in the majors just seems to me like throwing a ton of unnecessary pressure on him.
 

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Welp, that settles that.

RT @CSNMooney: ‪#‎Cubs‬ option Javier Baez to Triple-A Iowa and send Kris Bryant and Addison Russell to minor-league camp.
 

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Welp, that settles that.

RT @CSNMooney: ‪#‎Cubs‬ option Javier Baez to Triple-A Iowa and send Kris Bryant and Addison Russell to minor-league camp.

It's almost like I might have a clue what I'm talking about occasionally.... almost... :-/
 

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It's almost like I might have a clue what I'm talking about occasionally.... almost... :-/

I'm surprised based on all the chatter from the club last week, but it was the right thing to do. Tommy La Stella and his higher OBP and lesser defense is the better choice...for now.
 

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I'm surprised based on all the chatter from the club last week, but it was the right thing to do. Tommy La Stella and his higher OBP and lesser defense is the better choice...for now.

Well considering it came from bruce levine to start with AFIAK I took it with a grain of salt. I don't have a long list of cases where he's wrong but seems like I find stuff he says often to be wrong.
 

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Im trying to figure out if their gonna bring up 11 or 12 pitchers. .

If they carry 3 catchers, a couple of those OFers won't make it north...

C. Ross
C. Castillo
Ut. Alcantara
Ut. LaStella

1 or 2 spots for OFer..
Donorfio, Sweeney, Lake, Szczur

Then wheather bryant starts opening day or in 3 weeks, they will have an extra player then ( bryant / Olt )...

Have to think they either drop Ross or move Castillo in next 2 weeks...

Well with Baez going down with Bryant it pretty much opened the door for Lake and Szczur to make the team unless they decide to stick with Sweeney. .
Assuming they go with 13 position players...

I read they now only have 15 position players in Camp..

Baxter being the 15th along with the 7 regulars and above minus Donorfio. ...


Cubs will still have decisions to make once Donorfio ready and Bryant 12 days are up..
 

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If ST is any indication of what the regular season going to be like with Maddon style of play on Offense, it definitely going to be fun to watch. ...

Having guys who can hit the long ball is one thing, but it been fun watching them generate runs with SBs, Hit n Runs, Bunts, Etc...

Reminds me a bit of when Zimmer was managing back in 89
"The Boys of Zimmer"
Those of you who wasnt around yet or too young, Zimmer use to love to Hit n Run with the bases loaded.
Lol

I just dont see this team going long stretches with having trouble scoring runs....
 

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Glad the Bryant thing is over and I agree with the choice
 

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Maddon got some good tough decisions for the bullpen..
Gotta like Coke, Ortiz and Rosscup as the LHers

I hope he not forced to keep Jackson in the Pen with
Grimm, Motte, Ramirez, Rondon, Schlitter, and Strop all capable and better from the Right side...


EDIT:
@GDubCub: Lefty Phil Coke's addition to the roster means a $2.25m base sally and sets 12-man pitching staff.
 

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Szczur with his 5th homer of the spring. Lol Got to love the Arizona air. He has only hit more then that once in a season. lol
 

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9-5 Texas in the bottom of the 6th. Jokisch got hit hard giving up 10 hits and 7 runs. Szczur hitting the ball well again with a RBI single and a HR. Fowler continuing to get better with 1-2 and a RUN with a BB as well, bringing his AVE up to .273. We really need this guy to approach .300 this year and score a lot of runs. :elephant:
 

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Szczur with his 5th homer of the spring. Lol Got to love the Arizona air. He has only hit more then that once in a season. lol
He needed to change his swing plane. I haven't seen him swing this season, but perhaps that's what he's worked on.
 

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Szczur with his 5th homer of the spring. Lol Got to love the Arizona air. He has only hit more then that once in a season. lol

He's flexing those Villanova muscles, brah.
 

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Kids were pissed losing to Rangers prospects night before and came out swinging in the 9th for 8 runs.. lol

@TheCCO: #Cubs Minor Leaguers on Tuesday (3/31):
Darvill: 1-2, HR, 2RBI, 2R
Hannemann: 1-3, R
Contreras: 1-2, 3B, 2RBI, R
McKinney: 1-2, RBI
 

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Maddon got some good tough decisions for the bullpen..
Gotta like Coke, Ortiz and Rosscup as the LHers

I hope he not forced to keep Jackson in the Pen with
Grimm, Motte, Ramirez, Rondon, Schlitter, and Strop all capable and better from the Right side...


EDIT:
@GDubCub: Lefty Phil Coke's addition to the roster means a $2.25m base sally and sets 12-man pitching staff.

I read that as Phil's coke addiction at first... :shifty:
 

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Brewers are going to be seeing the Cubs hitting alot of long balls on them this year..... YEP
 

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Sorry Brett, thought this was funny...

@ESPNChiSox: If Samardzija gives up 9 HRs in the spring and nobody was there to see it, did it really happen? pic.twitter.com/0cE2pL5ke7

What, Sox fans dont even show up in AZ for ST games either
 

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They brought up something on the broadcast. So, David Ross is probably going to start Sunday night. That really chaps my ass. Wainwright is difficult enough without giving him 2 auto outs in a lineup. Cubs better play small ball or hope Wainwright is off.
 

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Soler just peppered a homer to left center. Im pretty sure it was off the end of the bat.
 

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