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[Diehardfan]

That all I'm asking..lol

I know and heard from others who act like trading Arrieta would be like the end of the world for cubs baseball..

I appreciate what he doing now, I just don't think he going to be half as dominant as he is now at 34,35,etc.

So. The question is do you ride him out next year or try and get as much as you can via trade or an established younger player of need.

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While he probably won't be as dominant as he's been....just the way he keeps his body in such tiptop shape...he should still be very good at that age. Lackey is 37 and no where near as talented or as in as good as shape and is still doing pretty well. Well enough to be putting up better numbers than the two pitchers everyone was going cream jeans over last off season.

 

[chibears55]

First of all, as Brett said, why would the angels want 1 1/2 years of Jake Arrieta if they're trading Mike Trout? I mean you're throwing in the towel if you trade him and the reason to do that is to rebuild your farm. I don't think the Angels will trade him, although they probably should consider it, but if I'm them I want 8-10 prospects in return with at least 4 of them being top 50 in MLB. The only way that could happen is in a three team deal and a perfect storm.

As far as your worries about the Cubs going forward I'm a little mystified. This regime's first draft pick in Almora has finally put it together at the plate and is the kind of defensive CF that GM's drool over. With guys like Rizzo, Bryant, Baez, Russell, Heyward and even Zobrist there is no shortage of offense on this team for the next few years. Even if Schwarber does come back slowly you could work him into the OF gradually with Bryant moving to RF and Heyward sliding over to CF as Almora develops. Bryant's flexibility has opened up all sorts of possibilities. There just aren't any positional holes anywhere on this roster for at least the next 2 1/2 years.

There talks out there now that there's a possibility that the Angels might consider trading Trout..

Like I said, Im just asking cubs fans if Arrieta was dangled in off season would you be OK with it..


I'm not worried... I just responded to a poster response as to why the Cubs would want Trout because he feels their OF is set going forward..

I just disagree with that.. besides Heyward for the next couple years, there nothing set in stone for LF and CF..

Yes they have kids in system but their still a couple years away and unknown if their going to be major league regulars.

Yes Bryant a possibility for LF..

As I said Soler struggling again and Schwarber was a bit of a question before he got hurt and now who knows how he will be able to come back and be able to play OF consistently everyday...

So, the OF picture isn't quite set as of now and not that I think it would happen but for the conversation the Cubs would want Trout



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[chibears55]

THe problem is you will never, ever, ever get fair value for Jake. He's old on the pitcher scale and due to get paid. No one is trading equivalent talent for that. Jake can very well be the very best pitcher in baseball and yet there are potentially tens of pitchers that would bring more back in trade.

I totally agree...

He going to be a tough decision for Epstein in off season

Like I said does he ride him out next year or listen to offers in off season and hope someone makes a crazy offer..

Or who knows maybe they come to a reasonable agreement in a contract..

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[chibears55]

The Cubs need OF? When did this happen? How can anyone miss that Baez is playing 3B very well and Bryant can also play both corners of OF? The Cubs need pitching for the future. They do not need Trout.

Lol... no one saying they need OF and not for this year

A poster said their OF is set next year and beyond

I just disagreed as you can see my reasoning above

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[TC in Mississippi]

There talks out there now that there's a possibility that the Angels might consider trading Trout..

Like I said, Im just asking cubs fans if Arrieta was dangled in off season would you be OK with it..


I'm not worried... I just responded to a poster response as to why the Cubs would want Trout because he feels their OF is set going forward..

I just disagree with that.. besides Heyward for the next couple years, there nothing set in stone for LF and CF..

Yes they have kids in system but their still a couple years away and unknown if their going to be major league regulars.

Yes Bryant a possibility for LF..

As I said Soler struggling again and Schwarber was a bit of a question before he got hurt and now who knows how he will be able to come back and be able to play OF consistently everyday...

So, the OF picture isn't quite set as of now and not that I think it would happen but for the conversation the Cubs would want Trout



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Almora is not a couple years away, he's months away and if there was an injury to Fowler (knocking on all kinds of wood here) he'd likely be up tomorrow. Have you seen his numbers in Iowa? He's slashing .319/.347./.498 in 125 PA and the numbers are very similar going back 400 PA and his time in AA last year and his defense would immediately make him a top 5 defensive CF in the game. Could he be a bust? Sure you never know but based on current scouting not too many folks would be guessing that outcome. Then back to Bryant the guy is a very good OF and is showing that daily. He's a better OF than he is at 3B and he's pretty good there. Then you have 2 1/2 years of Heyward left. This is before we even talk about Soler or Schwarber. Kyle's injury is one that almost everyone makes a complete recovery from. Will he be a good LF? Maybe not but I don't think he was ever going to be that anyway but his bat could make up for that. Trying to make OF a weakness on this Cubs team is so beyond any sort of reasonable thought that I'm seriously dumbfounded. In the abstract would every single team in baseball including the Cubs want Mike Trout? Sure, but does this one need him? Not a chance.

 

[chibears55]

While he probably won't be as dominant as he's been....just the way he keeps his body in such tiptop shape...he should still be very good at that age. Lackey is 37 and no where near as talented or as in as good as shape and is still doing pretty well. Well enough to be putting up better numbers than the two pitchers everyone was going cream jeans over last off season.

Their not paying Lackey 30 mil or close to it

That was basically my point and I should of mentioned that part..

I don't think they should consider paying him that money if a deal is for more then 4 years.

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[chibears55]

Almora is not a couple years away, he's months away and if there was an injury to Fowler (knocking on all kinds of wood here) he'd likely be up tomorrow. Have you seen his numbers in Iowa? He's slashing .319/.347./.498 in 125 PA and the numbers are very similar going back 400 PA and his time in AA last year and his defense would immediately make him a top 5 defensive CF in the game. Could he be a bust? Sure you never know but based on current scouting not too many folks would be guessing that outcome. Then back to Bryant the guy is a very good OF and is showing that daily. He's a better OF than he is at 3B and he's pretty good there. Then you have 2 1/2 years of Heyward left. This is before we even talk about Soler or Schwarber. Kyle's injury is one that almost everyone makes a complete recovery from. Will he be a good LF? Maybe not but I don't think he was ever going to be that anyway but his bat could make up for that. Trying to make OF a weakness on this Cubs team is so beyond any sort of reasonable thought that I'm seriously dumbfounded. In the abstract would every single team in baseball including the Cubs want Mike Trout? Sure, but does this one need him? Not a chance.

Never ever said the Cubs OF was a weakness.

I think people over read what is actually written sometimes..

I just disagreed a poster saying the OF future is set so they don't need Trout...

Everything you wrote above had basically a question mark..

Almora may or may not be ready to take over CF
Yes his glove is ready but we don't know if his bat is major league ready...
Everyone thought Alcantara was ready, Soler, Baez last year,etc.,etc.
It's questionable

Bryant most definitely can take over LF but is that what they want to do..
I actually said Bryant should be in OF last year but most on here thought i was nuts for mentioning it..

I'm not saying they don't have in house players for OF
Just responded to a poster saying they don't need Trout

I'd take an OF of either
Bryant Trout Heyward or
Trout Almora Heyward or
Schwarber Trout Heyward
for next few years...

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[TC in Mississippi]

Never ever said the Cubs OF was a weakness.

I think people over read what is actually written sometimes..

I just disagreed a poster saying the OF future is set so they don't need Trout...

Everything you wrote above had basically a question mark..

Almora may or may not be ready to take over CF
Yes his glove is ready but we don't know if his bat is major league ready...
Everyone thought Alcantara was ready, Soler, Baez last year,etc.,etc.
It's questionable

Bryant most definitely can take over LF but is that what they want to do..
I actually said Bryant should be in OF last year but most on here thought i was nuts for mentioning it..

I'm not saying they don't have in house players for OF
Just responded to a poster saying they don't need Trout

I'd take an OF of either
Bryant Trout Heyward or
Trout Almora Heyward or
Schwarber Trout Heyward
for next few years...

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Based on what the Cubs already have at what cost would you trade for Trout? I mean it's completely hypothetical because I don't think they have close to enough but if I'm the Angels this might get a conversation started: Bryant, Soler, Contreras, Almora, McKinney, Underwood, Cease, Candelerio and Hendricks. C'mon, there is no way for a deal and the Cubs wouldn't even try.

Yes that's silly on it's face but if I'm the Angels that's where we start talking.

 

[chibears55]

Based on what the Cubs already have at what cost would you trade for Trout? I mean it's completely hypothetical because I don't think they have close to enough but if I'm the Angels this might get a conversation started: Bryant, Soler, Contreras, Almora, McKinney, Underwood, Cease, Candelerio and Hendricks. C'mon, there is no way for a deal and the Cubs wouldn't even try.

Yes that's silly on it's face but if I'm the Angels that's where we start talking.

I'm not saying they need Trout or that I want to trade for him

This originally started as a simple question

I just asked if Arrieta was part of a deal that could bring in Trout in off season would you (cubs fans ) be OK with that ?

I said I'd do it depending on the rest of the pieces and mainly because I'd rather pay a 25 YO Trout 30 mil over a 33 YO Arrieta 30 mil...

That simple question got turned into a bunch of different meanings in such a short time.. lmao

It obviously would cost the Cubs a shit load of talent plus the 34 mil for the next 4 yrs and then who knows the crazy cost to keep him.. so I'm sure Epstein would love to have him but that thought would probably keep him away..

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[fatbeard]

Based on what the Cubs already have at what cost would you trade for Trout? I mean it's completely hypothetical because I don't think they have close to enough but if I'm the Angels this might get a conversation started: Bryant, Soler, Contreras, Almora, McKinney, Underwood, Cease, Candelerio and Hendricks. C'mon, there is no way for a deal and the Cubs wouldn't even try.

Yes that's silly on it's face but if I'm the Angels that's where we start talking.

Of course there's no way the Cubs would even try for that deal, because that deal is a ludicrous overpay. Bryant + Hendricks alone puts the return in the 9-10 WAR range, perhaps even more than that because no one knows yet what Bryant's ceiling is (Bryant is on pace for 9 WAR and his power really hasn't gotten going yet). Epstein would be an instant laughingstock if he shipped that, plus Soler, plus 6 prospects (including a Top 50 and a Top 100) in return for one guy who's worth about 9 wins.

 

[Diehardfan]

It's just amazing to me that we have a team that's 25-6 and backed by a fairly well stocked minor league system...yet people would be willing to blow that up to get one player.

One damn player......



Thankfully....fans don't make player personnel decisions.

 

[KingDarude7]

It's just amazing to me that we have a team that's 25-6 and backed by a fairly well stocked minor league system...yet people would be willing to blow that up to get one player.

One damn player......



Thankfully....fans don't make player personnel decisions.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Of course there's no way the Cubs would even try for that deal, because that deal is a ludicrous overpay. Bryant + Hendricks alone puts the return in the 9-10 WAR range, perhaps even more than that because no one knows yet what Bryant's ceiling is (Bryant is on pace for 9 WAR and his power really hasn't gotten going yet). Epstein would be an instant laughingstock if he shipped that, plus Soler, plus 6 prospects (including a Top 50 and a Top 100) in return for one guy who's worth about 9 wins.

That was my point. If I'm the Angels I'd need a ludicrous overpay to trade Trout. He's the cash cow. So either you give me enough guys to compete again immediately, alternatively enough to give my fans more than just hope, or I don't trade him.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm not saying they need Trout or that I want to trade for him

This originally started as a simple question

I just asked if Arrieta was part of a deal that could bring in Trout in off season would you (cubs fans ) be OK with that ?

I said I'd do it depending on the rest of the pieces and mainly because I'd rather pay a 25 YO Trout 30 mil over a 33 YO Arrieta 30 mil...

That simple question got turned into a bunch of different meanings in such a short time.. lmao

It obviously would cost the Cubs a shit load of talent plus the 34 mil for the next 4 yrs and then who knows the crazy cost to keep him.. so I'm sure Epstein would love to have him but that thought would probably keep him away..

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Actually on the Arrieta thing I actually did think at one point that trading him this next offseason was the thing to do. Trade 1 year of control for a solid prospect or two. I've since rethought that as that kind of move would kill teh team concept these guys are building. If they can't sign him I think the team would understands but trading to try to milk every penny? That could create some bad blood.

 

[fatbeard]

That was my point. If I'm the Angels I'd need a ludicrous overpay to trade Trout. He's the cash cow. So either you give me enough guys to compete again immediately, alternatively enough to give my fans more than just hope, or I don't trade him.

That's the business argument against trading Trout. But there's also a very good baseball argument for trading him. Joe Sheehan made the point nicely a few days ago, saying that there's no way the Angels, given their farm system and financial commitments, can put 30-35 WAR around Trout between now and when he will be a FA. If they hold on to him (which they seem foolishly intent on doing), it will be for purely business reasons.

 

[chibears55]

It's just amazing to me that we have a team that's 25-6 and backed by a fairly well stocked minor league system...yet people would be willing to blow that up to get one player.

One damn player......



Thankfully....fans don't make player personnel decisions.

It's amazing that people over read what was actually said?

AGAIN

No one saying to make that trade or blow the team up

It was a simple question of if the Cubs considered trading Arrieta for Trout in off season would you as a cubs fan be OK with it..

That all it was, a simple yes no question.. lmao

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[chibears55]

Actually on the Arrieta thing I actually did think at one point that trading him this next offseason was the thing to do. Trade 1 year of control for a solid prospect or two. I've since rethought that as that kind of move would kill teh team concept these guys are building. If they can't sign him I think the team would understands but trading to try to milk every penny? That could create some bad blood.

That the whole problem Epstein will be facing this off season

Obviously he wants to keep him , especially next year cause they will definitely still be WS contender

But if their still far apart on a deal and a team or two offers a solid trade offer, does he consider it or hold onto him and risk losing him via FA and end up with nothing next year

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[Parade_Rain]

Never ever said the Cubs OF was a weakness.

I think people over read what is actually written sometimes..

I just disagreed a poster saying the OF future is set so they don't need Trout...

Everything you wrote above had basically a question mark..

Almora may or may not be ready to take over CF
Yes his glove is ready but we don't know if his bat is major league ready...
Everyone thought Alcantara was ready, Soler, Baez last year,etc.,etc.
It's questionable

Bryant most definitely can take over LF but is that what they want to do..
I actually said Bryant should be in OF last year but most on here thought i was nuts for mentioning it..

I'm not saying they don't have in house players for OF
Just responded to a poster saying they don't need Trout

I'd take an OF of either
Bryant Trout Heyward or
Trout Almora Heyward or
Schwarber Trout Heyward
for next few years...

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No. Everyone didn't think Alcantara was ready. Beckdawg was a big fan and probably still is. I don't recall anyone else doing anything other than rooting for the kid and hoping.

 

[Diehardfan]

It's amazing that people over read what was actually said��

AGAIN

No one saying to make that trade or blow the team up

It was a simple question of if the Cubs considered trading Arrieta for Trout in off season would you as a cubs fan be OK with it..

That all it was, a simple yes no question.. lmao

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You say that.....



then you say this....

Never ever said the Cubs OF was a weakness.

I think people over read what is actually written sometimes..

I just disagreed a poster saying the OF future is set so they don't need Trout...

Everything you wrote above had basically a question mark..

Almora may or may not be ready to take over CF
Yes his glove is ready but we don't know if his bat is major league ready...
Everyone thought Alcantara was ready, Soler, Baez last year,etc.,etc.
It's questionable

Bryant most definitely can take over LF but is that what they want to do..
I actually said Bryant should be in OF last year but most on here thought i was nuts for mentioning it..

I'm not saying they don't have in house players for OF
Just responded to a poster saying they don't need Trout

I'd take an OF of either
Bryant Trout Heyward or
Trout Almora Heyward or
Schwarber Trout Heyward
for next few years...

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[chibears55]

You say that.....



then you say this....

What are you speechless about ?

One a simple question about if as a cubs fan you'd be OK to trade Arrieta in off season

The other is a discussion about the Cubs OF and whether or not the Cubs could use Trout

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