2016's Around Major League Baseball

[DanTown]

Let's just pretend that today the WS starts tomorrow (rain out today )

I think the White Sox throwing Sale, Q, and a combination of Latos, Rodon becomes a scary team to play. But it doesn't start tomorrow. Our depth scares me.

Latos is absolutely garbage. Sub 2-1 K/BB, sub 5K/9, 43.5% GB rate, 87.9% strand rate, .250 BABIP, 40% Flyball rate. If the Sox don't upgrade that spot and do it quickly, I think he + that fifth spot will kill them in the long run.

Either they'll miss the playoffs or have to severely stretch Sale and Quintana (200, 200, 206 innings past three years) and Rodon (only 133 innings last year).

The top 2 is as good as anyone and Rodon is obviously still young so I don't see this as a huge problem long term but the Sox are kind of in a no win situation: they don't have a good enough team to win now but if they trade away guys to get better, it's only going to be one or maybe two bites at the apple. If they can convince the Braves to do a Teheran deal with Carson Fullmer as most of the asset(s) going back, it might be a good hedge for the now (gets them a quality starter) and the future (four+ years of low cost control).

Or they can just hope they have enough, wait out Fulmer, and hope they're building a future Mets type rotation.

 

[brett05]

i wouldn't worry about Rodon and Latos as a 4? That wouldn't concern me. I do think you'll need a 5th starter soon, and a LH bat at DH is probably a must. I don't see your other concerns to be honest and in particular Abreau will come around. To me your biggest disappointments so far have come in the minors with Fulmer and Anderson who I thought would come up an help this year but don't look ready. Unless Cleveland really puts a run together or those pitchers in Detroit figure some things out ASAP I think the White Sox will win that division going away. As I said before I'm not quite ready to say that but it's getting close.

Rodon will be great, he's just not there now. He as well as Latos is more of a 4/5 types right now. The team really needs a #3. Abreu is losing 100 points per year on his slugging thru this point in the season. Down 200 points from his rookie year. That has me a touch concerned. Anderson and Fulmer were never going to be up now. They might get a callup at the end of the year but are much more 2017 types. Our biggest two holes really revolves around a #3 starter and a SS. The DH is probably #3 on the list of needs. Rollins/Saladino just don't equate to league average and by the end of the year I would expect to be in the bottom 5 at that position in all of baseball. If the White Sox can swing a deal for Reddick or CarGo the OF/DH are resolved leaving a SP and a SS as the only issues. And really SS could be palatable as long as the D holds up because of the extra O that bat traded in would bring.

Just too thin for me to be so confident. Heck, even the projection folks like Cleveland for the playoffs more than the White Sox.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Rodon will be great, he's just not there now. He as well as Latos is more of a 4/5 types right now. The team really needs a #3. Abreu is losing 100 points per year on his slugging thru this point in the season. Down 200 points from his rookie year. That has me a touch concerned. Anderson and Fulmer were never going to be up now. They might get a callup at the end of the year but are much more 2017 types. Our biggest two holes really revolves around a #3 starter and a SS. The DH is probably #3 on the list of needs. Rollins/Saladino just don't equate to league average and by the end of the year I would expect to be in the bottom 5 at that position in all of baseball. If the White Sox can swing a deal for Reddick or CarGo the OF/DH are resolved leaving a SP and a SS as the only issues. And really SS could be palatable as long as the D holds up because of the extra O that bat traded in would bring.

Just too thin for me to be so confident. Heck, even the projection folks like Cleveland for the playoffs more than the White Sox.

Yeah, but the numbers have favored Cleveland for 2 years. I don't buy it. I picked Detroit for that division and your boys for the WC and it might still work out that way. I just don't know about Verlander and Sanchez. The irony there is that I thought Verlander was done two years ago and he fooled me into thinking he had figured out how to pitch at his new velocity at the end of last year and that hasn't carried over. Another good month and your team will be a playoff lock.

 

[DanTown]

Key to note with the White Sox: They have yet to play Kansas City or Detroit and have played just two with Cleveland at home. It's hard to judge a team like the Sox when they're not playing their division rivals at all.

 

[brett05]

Key to note with the White Sox: They have yet to play Kansas City or Detroit and have played just two with Cleveland at home. It's hard to judge a team like the Sox when they're not playing their division rivals at all.

I agree with this to a good point. They have played the Twins and manhandled them which usually is the reverse historically. Same with Oakland but they are outside of the division. They had a hiccup with the Red Sox but are showing to handle the Blue Jays and Rangers quite well.

We are just too thin.

 

[CSF77]

I wish the White Sox were so good to have this problem.

The White Sox have ?s at #3 SP, DH, SS, CF, LF, and overall depth. It might even be a time to wonder if we might have a power issue with Abreu as well. I'm not asking Hahn to do anything right now but I am hopeful these issues are on his radar in case somehow someway things can be adjusted.

Their rotation is really good this year. Add to it a front line closer and a decent line up.

They honestly should win the AL. They are a better team than the Nats who were swept by isolating Harper. Sox have a deeper line up like the Cubs where you can't just isolate a hitter. Add to it rotation wise Neither team is better than the other. 1-3 you can call it a push. Leaves the bench and pen as main factors.

 

[DanTown]

Will stay this for the Sox: if they have a mini KC bullpen with Robertson, Putnam, Jones, Albers and Duke as a situational lefty, then the need for a starter is greatly reduced. If I'm Robin, i move Quintana to to try and use your bullpen more if necessary.

Something like
Sale
#5
Quintana
Rodon
Latos

Wouldn't shock me at all either if Rich Hill eventually is a White Sox this year.

 

[chibears55]

Just saw something that going to be on Mlb network later
Their going to discuss 5 teams that could trade for Trout

Got me thinking, if in off season Angels or Cubs started the talks with Arrieta, how many of you would be OK with that ?

I wouldn't mind it as long as the Cubs were able to trade for another solid starter this deadline and possibly trade or sign one in off season

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[TL1961]

No. It would be a dumb move.

 

[CSF77]

As good as Trout is the Cubs lack a need to add him. They are pretty much set up in the OF for years.

Pitching is more of a issue and they need to work out a deal with Jake. There is no pitcher in baseball that is better right now. Sale is at the same level.

Now if they ventured a trade I would look into the Dodgers and try to pry Urias. Anderson could also be a #4 replacement and net a back of the rotation LH.

That said I would never subtract from this team at this point.

 

[brett05]

Just saw something that going to be on Mlb network later
Their going to discuss 5 teams that could trade for Trout

Got me thinking, if in off season Angels or Cubs started the talks with Arrieta, how many of you would be OK with that ?

I wouldn't mind it as long as the Cubs were able to trade for another solid starter this deadline and possibly trade or sign one in off season

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What would you offer for Trout? I would think you'd need to start with Kris Bryant and throw in quite a bit more.

 

[chibears55]

As good as Trout is the Cubs lack a need to add him. They are pretty much set up in the OF for years.

Pitching is more of a issue and they need to work out a deal with Jake. There is no pitcher in baseball that is better right now. Sale is at the same level.

Now if they ventured a trade I would look into the Dodgers and try to pry Urias. Anderson could also be a #4 replacement and net a back of the rotation LH.

That said I would never subtract from this team at this point.

First I'm not saying they should do it, just asked if Arrieta was a main piece would you be OK with it.

Who are they set up with for years ?
Heyward right now is the only established OFer signed for next year and beyond..

Soler is still struggling, have no idea how Schwarber going to come back after surgery, and then a couple kids in minors, we have no idea how they will be in majors.
Trout is 24 and an established stud

I'd rather pay Trout the 30 mil ,then a 32 YO Arrieta

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[brett05]

First I'm not saying they should do it, just asked if Arrieta was a main piece would you be OK with it.

Who are they set up with for years ?
Heyward right now is the only established OFer signed for next year and beyond..

Soler is still struggling, have no idea how Schwarber going to come back after surgery, and then a couple kids in minors, we have no idea how they will be in majors.
Trout is 24 and an established stud

I'd rather pay Trout the 30 mil ,then a 32 YO Arrieta

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The Angels want NOTHING to do with Jake as it relates to Trout. Makes ZERO sense for the Angels.

 

[chibears55]

What would you offer for Trout? I would think you'd need to start with Kris Bryant and throw in quite a bit more.

I wasn't suggesting offers..
I was just thinking if in off season if Arrieta name was brought up as a piece, would you be OK with it..

I would be as long as the rest of the pieces were reasonable

It just a conversation question.

Cubs might consider it, but I doubt the Angels would unless they got a bunch of prospects included.. which the Cubs wouldn't do.


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[chibears55]

The Angels want NOTHING to do with Jake as it relates to Trout. Makes ZERO sense for the Angels.

Lol..
As I said, I'm not suggesting this as a trade..

Just asking for us Cubs fans if Arrieta name came up as a piece in off season would you be OK with it..

I would be..

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[TC in Mississippi]

First I'm not saying they should do it, just asked if Arrieta was a main piece would you be OK with it.

Who are they set up with for years ?
Heyward right now is the only established OFer signed for next year and beyond..

Soler is still struggling, have no idea how Schwarber going to come back after surgery, and then a couple kids in minors, we have no idea how they will be in majors.
Trout is 24 and an established stud

I'd rather pay Trout the 30 mil ,then a 32 YO Arrieta

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First of all, as Brett said, why would the angels want 1 1/2 years of Jake Arrieta if they're trading Mike Trout? I mean you're throwing in the towel if you trade him and the reason to do that is to rebuild your farm. I don't think the Angels will trade him, although they probably should consider it, but if I'm them I want 8-10 prospects in return with at least 4 of them being top 50 in MLB. The only way that could happen is in a three team deal and a perfect storm.

As far as your worries about the Cubs going forward I'm a little mystified. This regime's first draft pick in Almora has finally put it together at the plate and is the kind of defensive CF that GM's drool over. With guys like Rizzo, Bryant, Baez, Russell, Heyward and even Zobrist there is no shortage of offense on this team for the next few years. Even if Schwarber does come back slowly you could work him into the OF gradually with Bryant moving to RF and Heyward sliding over to CF as Almora develops. Bryant's flexibility has opened up all sorts of possibilities. There just aren't any positional holes anywhere on this roster for at least the next 2 1/2 years.

 

[brett05]

Lol..
As I said, I'm not suggesting this as a trade..

Just asking for us Cubs fans if Arrieta name came up as a piece in off season would you be OK with it..

I would be..

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In trade talks to any team? Sure.

 

[chibears55]

In trade talks to any team? Sure.

That all I'm asking..lol

I know and heard from others who act like trading Arrieta would be like the end of the world for cubs baseball..

I appreciate what he doing now, I just don't think he going to be half as dominant as he is now at 34,35,etc.

So. The question is do you ride him out next year or try and get as much as you can via trade or an established younger player of need.

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[brett05]

That all I'm asking..lol

I know and heard from others who act like trading Arrieta would be like the end of the world for cubs baseball..

I appreciate what he doing now, I just don't think he going to be half as dominant as he is now at 34,35,etc.

So. The question is do you ride him out next year or try and get as much as you can via trade or an established younger player of need.

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THe problem is you will never, ever, ever get fair value for Jake. He's old on the pitcher scale and due to get paid. No one is trading equivalent talent for that. Jake can very well be the very best pitcher in baseball and yet there are potentially tens of pitchers that would bring more back in trade.

 

[Parade_Rain]

The Cubs need OF? When did this happen? How can anyone miss that Baez is playing 3B very well and Bryant can also play both corners of OF? The Cubs need pitching for the future. They do not need Trout.