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Man, getting James Shields for three years is the best baseball move ever.

My theory on why he's fallen off: he doesn't have the same stuff to attack the zone like he used to so now he's trying to be too fine. That's why he has so many walks and home runs: because he has to pitch out of the zone and when he does come into the zone, it's in obvious situations and is his "less than good" stuff is meatball city

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.152/.164/.212 when Shields is ahead
 

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Unlike Lackey, Shields hasn't adjusted to aging yet.
 

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Unlike Lackey, Shields hasn't adjusted to aging yet.

If his two starts (and that's a decent size if) are the indication of him not adjusting he's in a world of hurt and the White Sox now have Danks Part II
 

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Unlike Lackey, Shields hasn't adjusted to aging yet.

Absolutely right and that was starting to become obvious last year. You talk about sometimes great moves being the ones you don't make? I am very glad that Shields turned down the Cubs offer before last season. When good starting pitchers lose their stuff it usually goes one of two ways. Either they struggle for a while and figure out how to locate their best pitches better becoming a good MOR starter in the process or they just can't just can't adjust and fall off quickly. To me Shields was always a bit overrated, although he was a solid starter, and now it's going to be difficult for him to get the numbers back. His best FIP in a season was as a Ray in 2011 at 3.42 and it's really hard to see him ever getting close to that but if he can get under 4.0 he would be an asset. I get why the White Sox made the trade, I likely would have done the same thing at the price, but there are no guarantees.
 

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Man, getting James Shields for three years is the best baseball move ever.

My theory on why he's fallen off: he doesn't have the same stuff to attack the zone like he used to so now he's trying to be too fine. That's why he has so many walks and home runs: because he has to pitch out of the zone and when he does come into the zone, it's in obvious situations and is his "less than good" stuff is meatball city

.287/.456/.471 when Shields is behind the batter
.337/.333/.564 when Shields is even
.152/.164/.212 when Shields is ahead

That just means throw strikes. No need to be fine. Just attack the lower half of the plate and come up only to induce pop ups.

Or he can develop a change like Trevor Hoffman had and get by with it.
 

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Absolutely right and that was starting to become obvious last year. You talk about sometimes great moves being the ones you don't make? I am very glad that Shields turned down the Cubs offer before last season. When good starting pitchers lose their stuff it usually goes one of two ways. Either they struggle for a while and figure out how to locate their best pitches better becoming a good MOR starter in the process or they just can't just can't adjust and fall off quickly. To me Shields was always a bit overrated, although he was a solid starter, and now it's going to be difficult for him to get the numbers back. His best FIP in a season was as a Ray in 2011 at 3.42 and it's really hard to see him ever getting close to that but if he can get under 4.0 he would be an asset. I get why the White Sox made the trade, I likely would have done the same thing at the price, but there are no guarantees.

I've been saying that forever. Which is exactly why I don't want the Cubs to go "all in" like they have so many times in the past. Even with the great start...tread lightly when talking trades....teams have to catch you, not the other way around.
 

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That's why I not big on Andrew Miller. Listen to a Yanks game and they really want Baez, schwarber, plus a spec. Lol


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That just means throw strikes. No need to be fine. Just attack the lower half of the plate and come up only to induce pop ups.

Or he can develop a change like Trevor Hoffman had and get by with it.

Did you see the Washington game? His stuff was fine. His command was horrid. I'm sure he was trying to keep his pitches down...you could see he was getting mad at himself. I mean you couldn't hand place a pitch in someone's wheelhouse any better than he did.
 

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That's why I not big on Andrew Miller. Listen to a Yanks game and they really want Baez, schwarber, plus a spec. Lol


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**** the Yankees. Let them rebuild on their time....not ours.
 

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That's why I not big on Andrew Miller. Listen to a Yanks game and they really want Baez, schwarber, plus a spec. Lol


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They apparently have Andrew Miller confused with Clayton Kershaw.
 

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They apparently have Andrew Miller confused with Clayton Kershaw.

For real. Schwarber is a MLB starter when healthy. Baez would start on most teams. Yanks are dumb to think that trade has merit.
 

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For real. Schwarber is a MLB starter when healthy. Baez would start on most teams. Yanks are dumb to think that trade has merit.

It's not just announcers. I read NY articles saying the same thing so it has legs. Lol


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For real. Schwarber is a MLB starter when healthy. Baez would start on most teams. Yanks are dumb to think that trade has merit.
I doubt its actually Cashman asking for those players
Think its more the reporters, etc saying that what they want

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That's why I not big on Andrew Miller. Listen to a Yanks game and they really want Baez, schwarber, plus a spec. Lol


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From SF they want Christian Arroyo and Tyler Beede. They're high if they think they're getting two top prospects for Miller, unless some GM is stupid and you can never rule that out.
 

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If the Yankees had a under 30 year old TOR pitcher, I can understand the asking price for Baez and Schwarber. For an 8th inning power left handed pitcher? No way. Maybe - couple of top 20 prospects.
 

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See, this is where the relievers are fickle to me. I dont buy into multiple years for a reliever. They come and go with the best of them. I believe in buying what you need at the deadline up to a point. I have seen to many Bob Howry, Scott Eyre, Carlos Marmol, Greg Gagnes of the world.
 

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All true but Yankee fans and NY in general are dillusional and slack jawed these days, they will say anything lol.
 

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