2019-20 MLB Hot Stove thread

[CSF77]

Getting into the playoffs gives you the chance to get hot. And Darvish's performance in 2018 couldn't have affected where the Cubs finished because he only appeared in about 1/4 of the season. I'll contend that they would have been better off losing the division outright and getting that day off to reset. MLB screwed the Cubs by not flipping the NL and AL wildcard games after the 4 teams finished tied for the two divisions leads, imo.

And no team since the new playoff format has done well after winning a title, except for the one that was caught cheating the whole time.

Trading for Cole really was a life saver for them that year. If Yu is healthy they don't make that trade. It is a pointless point that he is trying to make on this front.

 

[CSF77]

Best post of the day is the new guy that tried to make sense of it all.

Yu is fine. The real issue is the farm system and it's inability to produce talent. That has led Theo to trade for Q and sign Chatwood as a back of the rotation vs having a self developed do it. Darvish was going to happen regardless. He was the top starter that year and that was the projected time frame that Theo mentioned earlier. Sign a front line every 3 years. This stuff is planned out. The real issue is they are not self developing arms where they can get a pitcher like Hendricks, who was making league min and absorbing quality starts. Well, they eventually had to pay him Then they went out and spent on Chatwood . That failed.. Which led to trading for and resigning Hamels. Which cost 20 mil for 141 IP.

There is a real issue going on here and I really hope that one of these guys takes the job outright this year. If Alzolay does it it is a change in the dynamic going forward.

So that is the real issue going on right now. It is not Yu at all. It is about finding cheaper options on back of the rotation and middle relief. Paying market for filler takes away from retaining your stars.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

Getting into the playoffs gives you the chance to get hot. And Darvish's performance in 2018 couldn't have affected where the Cubs finished because he only appeared in about 1/4 of the season. I'll contend that they would have been better off losing the division outright and getting that day off to reset. MLB screwed the Cubs by not flipping the NL and AL wildcard games after the 4 teams finished tied for the two divisions leads, imo.

And no team since the new playoff format has done well after winning a title, except for the one that was caught cheating the whole time.

bro, this is just stupid.

Arrieta was worth 3 WAR. Darvish was worth nothing. We tied for the division.

we likely win the division if we sign Arrieta. It’s in the past but don’t be obtuse. Darvish was a waste of money in 2018 and we needed another starting pitcher. And couldn’t afford one thanks to Darvish.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

You realize that he has hit the DL 2x over his MLB career right? 2014 he had TJ and returned in 2016. 2017 he put up 31 GS.

Career wise in 1051 IP he has a 3.57 career ERA. This last year he put up 2848 net pitches. Which is getting back on track for him. You mentioned his HR against but that was a league wide issue due to the juiced baseballs. 33 was a career high for him. But that was a common theme across baseball.

Earlier you discounted BB/SO. That can not be more wrong. That is what most evaluaters look at. It is really not about pitching to contact. Anyone can do that. It is more about command of the strike zone. A good pitcher will be over 8K/9 and will run a SO:BB ratio of 2:1 Yu was at 11.54 K/9 and ran a 4.09 SO:BB ratio both well over what you want out of a front line starter.

I'm trying to give you some benefit of the doubt but every post that you make is flawed.

lol. I don’t need benefit of the doubt from someone who knows substantially less than me.

The metrics you love are the exact reason Theo overpaid for Jose Quintana dramatically.

In a league where hitters sell out for the home run and don’t mind if they strikeout, strikeouts have less value to pitchers than they used to.

2015 Arrieta was nowhere near the strikeout pitcher Yu is, and yet, 2015 Arrieta was obviously significantly better than Yu Darvish has ever been or will ever be. Why do you think that is? Ponder it and get back to me. Why you can’t just admit Darvish has been a bad signing to this point is beyond me.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

Best post of the day is the new guy that tried to make sense of it all.

Yu is fine. The real issue is the farm system and it's inability to produce talent. That has led Theo to trade for Q and sign Chatwood as a back of the rotation vs having a self developed do it. Darvish was going to happen regardless. He was the top starter that year and that was the projected time frame that Theo mentioned earlier. Sign a front line every 3 years. This stuff is planned out. The real issue is they are not self developing arms where they can get a pitcher like Hendricks, who was making league min and absorbing quality starts. Well, they eventually had to pay him Then they went out and spent on Chatwood . That failed.. Which led to trading for and resigning Hamels. Which cost 20 mil for 141 IP.

There is a real issue going on here and I really hope that one of these guys takes the job outright this year. If Alzolay does it it is a change in the dynamic going forward.

So that is the real issue going on right now. It is not Yu at all. It is about finding cheaper options on back of the rotation and middle relief. Paying market for filler takes away from retaining your stars.

you gotta love when people triple down on stupidity.

getting 5.5 WAR out of Cole Hamels is our problem, not getting 3.3 WAR over 2 seasons for the price of $60,000,000 with Yu Darvish. Riiiiiight.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

You realize that he has hit the DL 2x over his MLB career right? 2014 he had TJ and returned in 2016. 2017 he put up 31 GS.

Here are some facts.

He is a 33 year old power pitcher.

He’s pitched 2 full years since 2014. And none of those years have been anywhere near as good as 2013 Darvish.

It’s very unlikely he pitches a full season in 2020. Power pitchers with serious injury history on their arms do not get better as they creep into their mid 30s.

The Cubs will be lucky to get a 2019 caliber year again out of him.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

This weird defense of Yu by the poster is the strangest thing. All because he pitched well for 2 months in the heart of the worst and most meaningless few months of cubs baseball since 2014.

The fact remains that if Yu Darvish gave the Cubs anything in 2018 then they win the division. And giving the Cubs 2 months last year in a hopeless campaign doesn’t make up for that.

 

[Castor76]

bro, this is just stupid.

Arrieta was worth 3 WAR. Darvish was worth nothing. We tied for the division.

we likely win the division if we sign Arrieta. It’s in the past but don’t be obtuse. Darvish was a waste of money in 2018 and we needed another starting pitcher. And couldn’t afford one thanks to Darvish.

1) I'm not your bro so don't call me that.
2) Arrieta was offered the contract Darvish took. That he saw it as an insult or whatever becomes laughable when he settle for less money. If Arrieta had still wanted to be a Cub, he would be.
3) The Cubs obviously could afford another starter as they traded for Hamels.

I'm sorry you lost whatever fantasy league or bets you had in 2018 or whatever it is that has you convinced a division title in 2018 would make the world a better place.

And to call bullshit on your comment about meaningless baseball the final 2 months of 2019, with 10 games to go the Cubs and Brewers were tied for 2nd in the division and only 3 GB of STL. It was as much all the injuries to the lineup that pushed the Cubs out along with everything else.

But, again, sorry about whatever you lost betting on Yu in 2018. Or whatever that division title would have meant to you.

 

[CSF77]

This weird defense of Yu by the poster is the strangest thing. All because he pitched well for 2 months in the heart of the worst and most meaningless few months of cubs baseball since 2014.

The fact remains that if Yu Darvish gave the Cubs anything in 2018 then they win the division. And giving the Cubs 2 months last year in a hopeless campaign doesn’t make up for that.

The only thing that is hopeless is your opinion.

Cubs are paying Yu 21 mil per year. That is a bargain.

As much as you are banging the gong on Cole he pitched far over his current talent with the Cubs. He was a 1.7 WAR performer and that is why they paid chump change on him.

So keep on bagging on Yu ok. It is fine. You will be eating your words in 2020. The numbers suggest quite differently than you suggest.

And your opinion on Jake: 9.28 SO/9. He did his fair share of striking guys out. That year he had a 1.77 ERA
But
when he went to Philly it fell to 7.19 and his ERA spiked to 3.96 and is going north.

Facts > opinions.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

1) I'm not your bro so don't call me that.
2) Arrieta was offered the contract Darvish took. That he saw it as an insult or whatever becomes laughable when he settle for less money. If Arrieta had still wanted to be a Cub, he would be.
3) The Cubs obviously could afford another starter as they traded for Hamels.

I'm sorry you lost whatever fantasy league or bets you had in 2018 or whatever it is that has you convinced a division title in 2018 would make the world a better place.

And to call bullshit on your comment about meaningless baseball the final 2 months of 2019, with 10 games to go the Cubs and Brewers were tied for 2nd in the division and only 3 GB of STL. It was as much all the injuries to the lineup that pushed the Cubs out along with everything else.

But, again, sorry about whatever you lost betting on Yu in 2018. Or whatever that division title would have meant to you.

The cubs didn’t win the NL Central in 2018 because of Yu Darvish and they’ve never won anything because of him. So this is just stupid. He’s been a bad signing to this point. Averaging 1.6 war per year.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

The only thing that is hopeless is your opinion.

Cubs are paying Yu 21 mil per year. That is a bargain.

As much as you are banging the gong on Cole he pitched far over his current talent with the Cubs. He was a 1.7 WAR performer and that is why they paid chump change on him.

So keep on bagging on Yu ok. It is fine. You will be eating your words in 2020. The numbers suggest quite differently than you suggest.

And your opinion on Jake: 9.28 SO/9. He did his fair share of striking guys out. That year he had a 1.77 ERA
But
when he went to Philly it fell to 7.19 and his ERA spiked to 3.96 and is going north.

Facts > opinions.

Jake pitches to contact and the Phillies literally had the worst defense in MLB in 2018. Do you really think his numbers wouldn’t have been better with the Cubs that year?

Your opinions on Darvish are just homer opinions. He’s 33, tries to strike everyone out, and has a serious chance of getting injured again and can’t suppress the long ball.

If he does find himself in a big game, he will crumble like he always does. But at least he posts quirky things on Twitter so people like you adore him. ?

 

[CSF77]

Must be a troll. No one is that stupid.

 

[CSF77]

Again Facts> opinions.

HR rates were up across baseball due to the juiced baseball.

So Yu was just another pitcher that paid for MLB trying to entertain the fans.

But that doesn't fall into the box that you live in

Add to it increased contact rates + juiced baseball = more opertunites for HR's.

Jake Arretta: 2019. 1.39 HR/9.
Yu Darvish: 1.66.

So Yu did jump but the rest of baseball did also.

Add to it his HR/9 was at 1.86 when he was struggling for command in the 1st half. 2nd half 1.43 which is more in line with the league avg.

The problem here is you ignore facts and only view it from a very narrow view point. If the facts do not match your opinion you brush it off with bashing of the poster vs being out counter facts to back your stance.

In other words you must be a Trump supporter because they play by the same rules. Facts don't matter.

 

[CSF77]

“You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common”.

“They don’t alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views”.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

This guy is a pathetic excuse of a human being.

“Darvish and Quintana were the least productive starting pitchers for the Cubs in 2018 and 2019 combined.” - sane person

“How dare you call out the two minority pitchers the Cubs have, you must be a racist.” - batshit crazy moron

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

Yes, Yu Darvish gives up lots of home runs. Because he tries to strike out everyone in an era where hitters don’t mind if they strike out as long as their power production is good.

I honestly don’t even know why I’m talking to someone who interjects racism into someone posting WAR for players. That level of stupidity should be illegal everywhere. The fact you’re likely a white person accusing a non white person of being racist against non whites would probably not even have you change your position even if you were aware of that. That’s how hopeless you are as a living organism.

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

Fact that you are pinging only the 2 minorities is questionable as is...

???????????

this has to be the dumbest post in forum history.

literally all I did was mention WAR accumulation for 2018 and 2019.

Can you imagine socializing with this person in society about anything? Jesus Christ!

 

[kerrywoodwins20]

Jose Quintana only gave up 20 home runs and was the worst qualified starter of any NL pitcher who didn’t pitch his home games at Coors field. But sure, Yu Darvish’s 33 home runs allowed were solely because of the league. What a crippling delusion you have about this guy. He was worth 3.3 WAR over 2 years. That’s bad. Stop making excuses and accept he’s been bad as a Cub.

More ironically, the same stats you are using to praise Yu’s second half are the same stats Theo used as justification for trading a huge pile of assets for Jose Quintana, who, let me repeat, was the worst qualified starter in the NL last year who didn’t play his home games at Coors field.

 

[Castor76]

I have never been a fan of WAR as a stat and this is a great example of why.

space taker IP ER BB Ks WHIP ERA WAR
Pitcher A 223 64 42 300 0.80 2.58 7.8
Pitcher B 208.1 83 68 200 1.24 3.59 7.8
Pitcher C 212.1 59 48 326 0.89 2.50 6.9

So I'd love it if someone could explain to me this formula where Pitchers A and C have nearly identical stats but A is worth a win more while Pitcher B has clearly inferior stats to Pitchers A and C yet is worth as much as A.

 

[CSF77]

I have never been a fan of WAR as a stat and this is a great example of why.

space taker IP ER BB Ks WHIP ERA WAR
Pitcher A 223 64 42 300 0.80 2.58 7.8
Pitcher B 208.1 83 68 200 1.24 3.59 7.8
Pitcher C 212.1 59 48 326 0.89 2.50 6.9

So I'd love it if someone could explain to me this formula where Pitchers A and C have nearly identical stats but A is worth a win more while Pitcher B has clearly inferior stats to Pitchers A and C yet is worth as much as A.

War is based off of fip in fansgraph. I believe bWAR uses another stat. R9 I believe.

But it is more independent of D. And weighs HR and SO and BB. Basically what the pitcher controls.