2021-2022 IGT Masterthread

[clonetrooper264]

Games like these make the other playoff teams very excited to play us in round 1.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Bulls down 5 players and Heat at full strength was David vs Goliath. It also doesn't help that Spoe is 10 times the HC Billy is.

Spoe has really grown as a coach but 10x is a gross exaggeration. Miami has just as much talent as the Bulls even when the Bulls are at full strength

 

[Enasic]

Games like these make the other playoff teams very excited to play us in round 1.

Without Caruso and ball they have no chance against good times. Their perimeter defense and energy without them is bad. Especially missing Caruso

 

[clonetrooper264]

Without Caruso and ball they have no chance against good times. Their perimeter defense and energy without them is bad. Especially missing Caruso

Their interior defense is also bad. The defense in general is just bad. They're like bottom third of the league barely above Brooklyn. Pretty wild how Caruso and Ball can make such a huge difference, but I guess that is what it is.

 

[Enasic]

Their interior defense is also bad. The defense in general is just bad. They're like bottom third of the league barely above Brooklyn. Pretty wild how Caruso and Ball can make such a huge difference, but I guess that is what it is.

Let’s look at their starting lineup

Vuc-Poor defender
Green - Solid but undersized
DeMar-Average to below average. If he gets switched on a faster guard, it’s ugly
LaVine - Average. Maybe slightly better. He’s really picked it up this year
Ayo- Good defender

They can not get around screens or guard the pick and roll. They’re abysmal and their rotations suck.

 

[Scoot26]

Basically I think the Bulls will struggle to beat any team with a good offense and at least average defense, and its just about a guaranteed loss against anyone top 10 in both categories.

Of course getting Caruso and Ball for the playoffs could change all of this, making it fairly unpredictable. But we will struggle against Miami, Philly, Milwaukee, and a Durant-led Brooklyn in the playoffs.

I think they can beat Cleveland, Boston, Toronto in a series, though Toronto will be tough.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Basically I think the Bulls will struggle to beat any team with a good offense and at least average defense, and its just about a guaranteed loss against anyone top 10 in both categories.

Of course getting Caruso and Ball for the playoffs could change all of this, making it fairly unpredictable. But we will struggle against Miami, Philly, Milwaukee, and a Durant-led Brooklyn in the playoffs.

I think they can beat Cleveland, Boston, Toronto in a series, though Toronto will be tough.

With Anunoby, they are very solid on both ends. Without him, I like our chances.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Their interior defense is also bad. The defense in general is just bad. They're like bottom third of the league barely above Brooklyn. Pretty wild how Caruso and Ball can make such a huge difference, but I guess that is what it is.

I think apart of it is that it was a pretty small sample size of games. But Lonzo is by far the most valuable cog the Bulls have on defense. He guards the best wing every game whether he's a 3 or 2 and ends possessions with defensive rebounds.

 

[Enasic]

Basically I think the Bulls will struggle to beat any team with a good offense and at least average defense, and its just about a guaranteed loss against anyone top 10 in both categories.

Of course getting Caruso and Ball for the playoffs could change all of this, making it fairly unpredictable. But we will struggle against Miami, Philly, Milwaukee, and a Durant-led Brooklyn in the playoffs.

I think they can beat Cleveland, Boston, Toronto in a series, though Toronto will be tough.

Fully healthy I’m worried about Miami and Philly. Probably more so Miami because they move the ball around much better and play better defense.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Fully healthy I’m worried about Miami and Philly. Probably more so Miami because they move the ball around much better and play better defense.

Philly is pretty damn scary. Miami originally felt like the favorite in my gut (once the Nets situation clearly became sketchy). But watching how dominant Embiid and Harden look together really makes me wonder if they will roll to the Finals. Butler and Adebayo aren't that far behind but far enough behind that I wonder if they have enough 3-12 to overwhelm Philly.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Let’s look at their starting lineup

Vuc-Poor defender
Green - Solid but undersized
DeMar-Average to below average. If he gets switched on a faster guard, it’s ugly
LaVine - Average. Maybe slightly better. He’s really picked it up this year
Ayo- Good defender

They can not get around screens or guard the pick and roll. They’re abysmal and their rotations suck.

Personally I think Vuc gets scapegoated a lot for poor defense when he's a little better than given credit for. Not saying he's a good defender, but I'd call him average, at least when he's engaged.

I'm not sure what BD's scheme is exactly on defense so sometimes I feel like Vuc and others are just doing what they're told but it doesn't work.

Idk maybe they just all suck at defense and literally only Ball and Caruso can save the team from being absolutely dismal on defense

 

[clonetrooper264]

I think apart of it is that it was a pretty small sample size of games. But Lonzo is by far the most valuable cog the Bulls have on defense. He guards the best wing every game whether he's a 3 or 2 and ends possessions with defensive rebounds.

This is actually a good point, Bulls have struggled on the boards and that is something Lonzo does well from the guard spot. Securing rebounds eliminates second chance points and particularly when Lonzo gets a rebound, ignites our transition offense. We haven't really seen much of that lately.

 

[CHIBEAR]

Let’s look at their starting lineup

Vuc-Poor defender
Green - Solid but undersized
DeMar-Average to below average. If he gets switched on a faster guard, it’s ugly
LaVine - Average. Maybe slightly better. He’s really picked it up this year
Ayo- Good defender

They can not get around screens or guard the pick and roll. They’re abysmal and their rotations suck.

Dude Vuc is actually a solid defender according to the advanced stats .

He has a defensive rating of 107

Vuc 107
Ball and AC 109
Green and DJJ 112
Ayo ,Zach , and Demar 114
Coby 115


Defensive +/-

Vuc 3.83 16th among centers(right behind Bam) but among the 16 only 4 are a positive on the offense Joker, Embiid ,Gobert , Vuc

Ball 1.27 20th among PGs
AC 0.86 36th listed among sgs but would put him 23rd among the PG
Green 0.51 and DJJ -2.32
Ayo -1.92
Zach 0.05
Demar 2.59
Coby -3.58


RPM Wins

Vuc 10.28 4th among centers
Zo 3.80 33rd PGs
AC 1.57 59th SG
Ayo 1.23 65th SG
Green 2.69 33rd among SF 31th among PF
DJJ 0.58 55th among SF 54th among PF
Zach 8.15 9th SG
Demar 11.74 3rd SF
Coby 1.50 40th among PGs


Now this s no declaration that Vuc doesn't ever play bad defense its just that its getting overblown and Vuc with AC and Zo on the floor gave us a very good defensive foundation because Vuc can at least execute the team defense plan .

When going through those numbers the one thing that stands out is on defensive +/-

Jaren Jackson is 2nd
PJ Tucker is 3rd
Tobias Harris 10th
Lauri is 16th

The Nuggets with as good as Joker is has him paired with Gordon who is 4th and then comes in with Jeff Green who is right behind Lauri at 17th . We are literally getting DESTROYED at the PF position .

When Pat returns we are still hoping for a miracle because he was a -3.02 which below Jabari Parker and Haslem however we can hope he gets back to at least rookie year Pat who was 18th 0.81 which would make a HUGE difference.

One thing thats frustrates me most is we are looking for growth just signs that they are recognizing what's going and are making adjustments and Im not really seeing it . I saw Billys post game and he mentioned how we have guys leaking out before the rebound is secured and Im thinking to myself thats Zach all day and he did it a lot in the Grizzlies game even when we were getting destroyed on the glass . Hes one of the best athletes in the world and we are playing small we need him on the glass hell we need everyone on the glass . Its just the recognition of things that bothersome to me I can take the lost to a good team or even off shooing .

 

[knoxville7]

::checks numbers::

ZL defensive rebounding rate is currently the highest it’s been in the last 3 seasons…but sure we can blame ZL’s rebounding if you really want to lol

Also, ZL has a higher defensive rebounding rate this season than Lonzo Ball, whomst we just got done praising for his defensive rebounding

 

[Enasic]

Never liked defensive advanced stats at all. I don’t care what the numbers say, Vuc is a poor defender

 

[CHIBEAR]

::checks numbers::

ZL defensive rebounding rate is currently the highest it’s been in the last 3 seasons…but sure we can blame ZL’s rebounding if you really want to lol

Also, ZL has a higher defensive rebounding rate this season than Lonzo Ball, whomst we just got done praising for his defensive rebounding

Who said that ? Do you watch any of the post game I quoted Billy directly on the leak outs which BILLY thought impacted the teams ability to rebound which is it does because if you play small ball and thee entire team is not gang rebounding you are gonna get pounded against larger teams . During the game you even here stacey mention how Zach had leaked out but oh the Bulls couldn't secure the rebound .

Lavine had 4 rebounds against the Grizzlies in a game where were getting pounded and your response s his rebound rate is up therefore he doesn't have to rebound more ? My whole point is that there doesn't seem to be any adjustments by the players in other words I like to leak out but we are getting pounded on the boards so maybe just maybe Ill go down and help out more considering thats what he was doing earlier in the year but hes gotten further and further away from what he was doing the first 8 weeks of the season .

The first 8 weeks of the season Zach was routinely getting 6-9 rebound per game so yeah its noticeable when suddenly hes not helping on the boards and ends getting 4 in 38 minutes because no athlete of his caliber should have 4 boards in that allotment of minutes.

 

[CHIBEAR]

Never liked defensive advanced stats at all. I don’t care what the numbers say, Vuc is a poor defender

So screw the facts you gotta blame somebody

 

[knoxville7]

Who said that ? Do you watch any of the post game I quoted Billy directly on the leak outs which BILLY thought impacted the teams ability to rebound which is it does because if you play small ball and thee entire team is not gang rebounding you are gonna get pounded against larger teams . During the game you even here stacey mention how Zach had leaked out but oh the Bulls couldn't secure the rebound .

Lavine had 4 rebounds against the Grizzlies in a game where were getting pounded and your response s his rebound rate is up therefore he doesn't have to rebound more ? My whole point is that there doesn't seem to be any adjustments by the players in other words I like to leak out but we are getting pounded on the boards so maybe just maybe Ill go down and help out more considering thats what he was doing earlier in the year but hes gotten further and further away from what he was doing the first 8 weeks of the season .

The first 8 weeks of the season Zach was routinely getting 6-9 rebound per game so yeah its noticeable when suddenly hes not helping on the boards and ends getting 4 in 38 minutes because no athlete of his caliber should have 4 boards in that allotment of minutes.

Lmao billy didn’t mention Zach specifically, so first off you’re merely speculating it’s about him

Secondly, I find it laughable that we are talking about ZL’s defensive rebounding as being the bulls issue…when again, his defensive rebounding rate is at a 3 year peak. And is higher than lonzo’s whomst you just got done praising for his defensive rebounding. You do understand how that is hypocritical, yeah?!

And lastly, you now are nagging on ZL’s rebounding over the last couple of weeks or so while he’s been dealing with a bad knee and a bad back…yeah, wow…color me shocked he isn’t rebounding at as high of a rate as he was when he was fully healthy. I bet he isn’t shooting as well and doing many other things as well as when he was healthy. Shocking!

 

[Enasic]

So screw the facts you gotta blame somebody

Careful using the term “facts” here

 

[Bust]

WOW!