2022-2023 Bulls IGT Megathread

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Anyone who follows him on Twitter knows that See Red Fred is the biggest Bulls homer. I dare say he's the biggest homer for any team in Chicago, and probably in professional sports. Even he is out on PWill.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Anyone who follows him on Twitter knows that See Red Fred is the biggest Bulls homer. I dare say he's the biggest homer for any team in Chicago, and probably in professional sports. Even he is out on PWill.

Many moons ago, See Red Fred was a part of one of the forums that eventually became CCS. I've conversed with him many times and he is indeed one of the biggest homers to ever exist though he does have particular players that he really hates...PWill seems to be entering the latter category.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Agreed on the impact in the game. That said, +- isn’t the best thing to look at as you know

PWill played 15 min, basically the first 7-8 min of the game and the first 7-8 min of the 2nd half. So yeah, he played during the start where they were down 19, then went to the bench and the comeback started.

Was it because of PWill? He had a share in the causation, sure. But so did the other 4 starters(nobody was playing well to start, hence how they went down 19).

Jones did bring a spark of athleticism, but also Robert Williams wasn’t playing for Boston last night, so Boston had no rim protection. Kinda a perfect match for what DJJ does well.

Sure, it doesn't tell the whole story, but it still does tell a story. PWill basically only played during the times where the Bulls were losing ground, or in garbage time. Probably garbage time helped to bump his plus minus number up a little bit.

True that the starters all played a part in the awful 1st quarter performance. That's why their plus minus numbers are all close to 0. However, since PWill basically only played the first 6 minutes of 1st and 3rd quarters (which appeared to be the Bulls' worst stretches) and none of the minutes where the Bulls pulled ahead, his numbers remained in the negative. Meanwhile the rest of the starters all got minutes during that stretch and managed to pull themselves into the slight positive. And the bench did amazing this game which shows in their high plus minus numbers despite their other box stats not jumping out of the page.

I just feel like PWill should've been able to contribute more at some point in the game. I won't blame him entirely for the starting unit playing poorly, but it does seem to indicate that the starting unit isn't really working as constructed. And based on the previous games that I could watch (preseason included), PWill just seems to play better without Lavine and Derozan in the game.

It's still early, he can still turn it around, but the trend so far is not in his favor.

 

[knoxville7]

Sure, it doesn't tell the whole story, but it still does tell a story. PWill basically only played during the times where the Bulls were losing ground, or in garbage time. Probably garbage time helped to bump his plus minus number up a little bit.

True that the starters all played a part in the awful 1st quarter performance. That's why their plus minus numbers are all close to 0. However, since PWill basically only played the first 6 minutes of 1st and 3rd quarters (which appeared to be the Bulls' worst stretches) and none of the minutes where the Bulls pulled ahead, his numbers remained in the negative. Meanwhile the rest of the starters all got minutes during that stretch and managed to pull themselves into the slight positive. And the bench did amazing this game which shows in their high plus minus numbers despite their other box stats not jumping out of the page.

I just feel like PWill should've been able to contribute more at some point in the game. I won't blame him entirely for the starting unit playing poorly, but it does seem to indicate that the starting unit isn't really working as constructed. And based on the previous games that I could watch (preseason included), PWill just seems to play better without Lavine and Derozan in the game.

It's still early, he can still turn it around, but the trend so far is not in his favor.

I’ve often said the starting lineup doesn’t really work with Lonzo being hurt. Can’t have Vuc, Derozan, and Lavine all on the court together playing atrocious defense. Those 3 need to have their time on the court broken up more. It’s why I’ve said previously the bulls would be better bringing derozan or Lavine off the bench, but obviously that’ll never happen

 

[zack54attack]

Vuc played really well. Almost had a 20-20. No Robert Williams, obviously. But still nice to see.

I dont know how long Patrick Williams lasts in the starting lineup though. Billy seems to have a lot of confidence in him so, probably longer than I think. I'd bet the PWill points under every game.

 

[zack54attack]

Also, didn't realize Horford's 7 attempts.... 6 were 3's.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I’ve often said the starting lineup doesn’t really work with Lonzo being hurt. Can’t have Vuc, Derozan, and Lavine all on the court together playing atrocious defense. Those 3 need to have their time on the court broken up more. It’s why I’ve said previously the bulls would be better bringing derozan or Lavine off the bench, but obviously that’ll never happen

Lonzo certainly makes a huge difference defensively, but he doesn't, and shouldn't, make up the entire defense. There's still ways players like Derozan can be part of a good defensive scheme without being a good individual 1on1 defender.

Not saying stuff like this should be happening every other possession, but just shows you can play good defense now and again while Derozan and Vuc are on the floor. And really I don't see any reason it couldn't happen with Zach in the lineup also. If you look at Troy Brown Jr or Javonte Green, they're not doing anything Zach couldn't do. Really Ayo is doing most of the legwork here.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Bulls win by 4

With improved shooters…

Add-Dragic, Terry

Develop-White, Ayo, PW

Rebound year- Vuc, DJJ, Green

I can just tell we will be difficult to defeat where we are comfortable and dialed in on home rims.

 

[knoxville7]

Lonzo certainly makes a huge difference defensively, but he doesn't, and shouldn't, make up the entire defense. There's still ways players like Derozan can be part of a good defensive scheme without being a good individual 1on1 defender.

Not saying stuff like this should be happening every other possession, but just shows you can play good defense now and again while Derozan and Vuc are on the floor. And really I don't see any reason it couldn't happen with Zach in the lineup also. If you look at Troy Brown Jr or Javonte Green, they're not doing anything Zach couldn't do. Really Ayo is doing most of the legwork here.

The issue is Zach and demar are both sub par team defenders and both are wing guards

If they brought one off the bench it would break up more of the time both are on the court together.

Again, it’ll never happen. I just think playing them their same minutes but staggered to the max would be beneficial to the teams overall play

 

[Raskolnikov]

Excuses excuses

they are lurking, just not commenting

they had plenty to say leading up to the game

its cool, though…next time bulls lose to a mediocre team, they’ll be blowing up that IGT. Bears game or not

People think it’s a higher understanding of the world to spread hate and chaos and make fun than to create love and harmony and fun.

Or maybe it’s that one is easy and the other hard. But I get the feeling they actually think they are they are enlightened in their selfish embrace of all darkness bleeding ? from nihilism.

Life will only ever be as great as we commit to creating it together and flow with the percentage we get to come with us. None will follow hate for long. We become hate and fade quickly into the oblivion of our petty pleasures and desires.

 

[Enasic]

People think it’s a higher understanding of the world to spread hate and chaos and make fun than to create love and harmony and fun.

Or maybe it’s that one is easy and the other hard. But I get the feeling they actually think they are they are enlightened in their selfish embrace of all darkness bleeding ? from nihilism.

Life will only ever be as great as we commit to creating it together and flow with the percentage we get to come with us. None will follow hate for long. We become hate and fade quickly into the oblivion of our petty pleasures and desires.

Think this is more relevant for the B&I forum.

Saying the Bulls are likely to be a lower playoff team with no chance to win a title is not spreading hate. It’s rather realistic. I don’t think anyone on here hates the bulls or hates posters who have a differing opinion lol. Having differing opinions on a sports team on a sports message board is well…..kinda the whole point of discussing sports on a message board. Could you imagine if everyone agreed about everything all the time? Gross

 

[knoxville7]

Think this is more relevant for the B&I forum.

Saying the Bulls are likely to be a lower playoff team with no chance to win a title is not spreading hate. It’s rather realistic. I don’t think anyone on here hates the bulls or hates posters who have a differing opinion lol. Having differing opinions on a sports team on a sports message board is well…..kinda the whole point of discussing sports on a message board. Could you imagine if everyone agreed about everything all the time? Gross

Still a bad basketball team. No surprise, unfortunately. There’s a good chance they don’t make the playoffs

Well, which is it?? Are they likely a lower level playoff team or likely fishing come playoff time??

4 games in and already contradicting lol

 

[Enasic]

Well, which is it?? Are they likely a lower level playoff team or likely fishing come playoff time??

4 games in and already contradicting lol

Theres no contradiction considering the play in. I predicted 43 wins…does that get them in….maybe? Does that get them out of the play in? Hard to say…either way, the main point is, this team will not be relevant. I think they’ll be a lower playoff team but I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they missed the playoffs.

 

[Scoot26]

Think this is more relevant for the B&I forum.

Saying the Bulls are likely to be a lower playoff team with no chance to win a title is not spreading hate. It’s rather realistic. I don’t think anyone on here hates the bulls or hates posters who have a differing opinion lol. Having differing opinions on a sports team on a sports message board is well…..kinda the whole point of discussing sports on a message board. Could you imagine if everyone agreed about everything all the time? Gross

There are a lot of people who have a love-hate relationship with their sports teams.

 

[Scoot26]

Theres no contradiction considering the play in. I predicted 43 wins…does that get them in….maybe? Does that get them out of the play in? Hard to say…either way, the main point is, this team will not be relevant. I think they’ll be a lower playoff team but I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they missed the playoffs.

It's just this. If the Bulls fall into 7th or 8th, they end up in the play in and if they lose twice they're out of the playoffs and into the back end of the lottery.

They're secure if they're 6th or higher, but it's gonna be harder this year than last in my opinion.

 

[Enasic]

It's just this. If the Bulls fall into 7th or 8th, they end up in the play in and if they lose twice they're out of the playoffs and into the back end of the lottery.

They're secure if they're 6th or higher, but it's gonna be harder this year than last in my opinion.

Exactly this. The back end lottery pick would go to the magic as well. That would be a very Bulls like thing to happen

 

[knoxville7]

Everyone wants to make predictions, but then want to have it as vague as possible to cover themselves lol

At least when I make a prediction it’s clear, concise, and bold(I.E. The Bulls win over the Celtics). Otherwise, I don’t bother making one.

Like, what’s the point in saying you think the Bulls could finish anywhere from 7th spot to a non playoff team? That covers 9 of the 15 spots in the East, you have a 60% chance of being right just on numbers alone not even factoring in knowing certain teams are going to be better

 

[Scoot26]

Exactly this. The back end lottery pick would go to the magic as well. That would be a very Bulls like thing to happen

The East has 10 teams that will fight for playoff spots this year. They'll have two more in the mix who probably should tank but either don't or fail to (wizards and hornets).

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Cavs got significantly better. Pistons are young and getting better. Pacers stink. Bucks are a legit contender.

Oof.

The pistons rebuild has been pretty impressive and their future looks very bright.

 

[Scoot26]

Everyone wants to make predictions, but then want to have it as vague as possible to cover themselves lol

At least when I make a prediction it’s clear, concise, and bold(I.E. The Bulls win over the Celtics). Otherwise, I don’t bother making one.

Like, what’s the point in saying you think the Bulls could finish anywhere from 7th spot to a non playoff team? That covers 9 of the 15 spots in the East, you have a 60% chance of being right just on numbers alone not even factoring in knowing certain teams are going to be better

Predictions are just some opinion really. Nothing wrong with it, except those who don't admit they're wrong later if they are.

Like I had no hope of Bulls beating the Celtics, so I predict a big loss. Instead it was a big win. I'm wrong.