2022 NBA Offseason Thread

[Enasic]

A nice idea, though idk if SA would want to trade Poetl in the first place.

If not we’ll just force them, duh

 

[clonetrooper264]

If not we’ll just force them, duh

I mean...Pop is getting old, surely his mind isn't as sharp anymore...right? RIGHT?

 

[Enasic]

I mean...Pop is getting old, surely his mind isn't as sharp anymore...right? RIGHT?

I forgot about Marko as well…I wonder if there would be any interest there. Coby, Marko, Portland pick, 2nd rounder? Likely far fetched still

 

[knoxville7]

I like poetl, but I don’t think he solves our rim protection issue. Now, if bulls can trade Vuc and pick up Poetl in a separate trade, that’d be interesting. But super unlikely

 

[Enasic]

I like poetl, but I don’t think he solves our rim protection issue. Now, if bulls can trade Vuc and pick up Poetl in a separate trade, that’d be interesting. But super unlikely

I don’t know if he solves them but he did average nearly 2 blocks per game last season and had a career block% of over 5 which is certainly respectable.

He’s also on an expiring deal so the Bulls would be able to make a decision on who to keep when his deal expires along with Vuc. Poetl is younger and the more well balanced player so he could fit long term.

In the mean time, the Bulls would actually have (gasp) some real size and depth in the front court this year with two legit 7 footers, which was a huge issue for them last year.

 

[knoxville7]

I don’t know if he solves them but he did average nearly 2 blocks per game last season and had a career block% of over 5 which is certainly respectable.

He’s also on an expiring deal so the Bulls would be able to make a decision on who to keep when his deal expires along with Vuc. Poetl is younger and the more well balanced player so he could fit long term.

In the mean time, the Bulls would actually have (gasp) some real size and depth in the front court this year with two legit 7 footers, which was a huge issue for them last year.

Yeah, he gets blocks for sure. there is a difference between getting blocks and protecting the rim, though.

i like the player a lot, I just am not sure it’s a good fit for the bulls atm. You can’t play Poeltl and Vuc together, so at least for this season you’re having Poeltl as just a back up. Both of their contracts expire, but that might not be a great thing for the bulls in reality. Hard to evaluate on Poeltl as your future starting C for the few years when he’s getting backup minutes. Take a bit of a leap of faith to hand him a nice contract and the starting gig

 

[Enasic]

Yeah, he gets blocks for sure. there is a difference between getting blocks and protecting the rim, though.

i like the player a lot, I just am not sure it’s a good fit for the bulls atm. You can’t play Poeltl and Vuc together, so at least for this season you’re having Poeltl as just a back up. Both of their contracts expire, but that might not be a great thing for the bulls in reality. Hard to evaluate on Poeltl as your future starting C for the few years when he’s getting backup minutes. Take a bit of a leap of faith to hand him a nice contract and the starting gig

The great thing about Poetl is he’s getting paid like a backup at 9 mil. So yes, he’ll play backup minutes this season. And where the heck do you think he’s getting his blocks? It’s in the paint, not on the perimeter lol…you’re really reaching there.

It’s not like the Bulls need him to play 35 MPG to evaluate him either…he played nearly 30 MPG in SA. Everyone knows the type of player he is already.

I’d split their minutes pretty evenly anyway and largely go with the hot hand and matchup. Bulls could then evaluate when their contracts expire and make a decision based on the market and potential S&T possibilities.

I just like the idea of having two good bigs with real size and rebounding ability. Bulls got rag dolled on the boards, specifically offensive rebounding, and really struggled to generate 2nd chance points. Poetl might actually motivate Vuc to develop a pulse on defense and get his shot back to form. Bulls would go to midgets to a big team very quick

 

[knoxville7]

The great thing about Poetl is he’s getting paid like a backup at 9 mil. So yes, he’ll play backup minutes this season. And where the heck do you think he’s getting his blocks? It’s in the paint, not on the perimeter lol…you’re really reaching there.

It’s not like the Bulls need him to play 35 MPG to evaluate him either…he played nearly 30 MPG in SA. Everyone knows the type of player he is already.

I’d split their minutes pretty evenly anyway and largely go with the hot hand and matchup. Bulls could then evaluate when their contracts expire and make a decision based on the market and potential S&T possibilities.

I just like the idea of having two good bigs with real size and rebounding ability. Bulls got rag dolled on the boards, specifically offensive rebounding, and really struggled to generate 2nd chance points. Poetl might actually motivate Vuc to develop a pulse on defense and get his shot back to form. Bulls would go to midgets to a big team very quick

youre not thinking deep enough, per usual. Yes, he gets blocks...what I’m questioning is if these blocks are coming against guards, or is he athletic enough to actually protect the rim. Like against other big guys, too. Maybe he does, I don’t really know who most of his blocks come against, and I doubt you do either lol

and you mention how he is still young, but now you’re claiming everyone already knows who he is as a player. Well which is it? Is he someone that is still getting better? Or is he who he is at this point? That’s why I’d like to see him play more than 18-20MPG he would get as a backup to Vuc here in Chicago.

bulls would never split their minutes evenly, so that’s a pointless thing to say. Sure, YOU might do that…but billy and the bulls FO won’t do that to Vuc.

I also like the idea of having two bigs with size and rebounding. that said, you have been probably the biggest critic of Vuc, saying how he lacks the toughness needed. So not sure his size and rebounding matters much to you. I would worry that Poeltl would play very similar to Vuc. They are both high screen pick and pop bigs after all.

bulls need an athletic big that plays defense, rebounds, and plays with energy. If Poeltl is the best the bulls can do, then so be it. I just feel there are better options available to the bulls than him, again, even though I do like him as a player

 

[Enasic]

youre not thinking deep enough, per usual. Yes, he gets blocks...what I’m questioning is if these blocks are coming against guards, or is he athletic enough to actually protect the rim. Like against other big guys, too. Maybe he does, I don’t really know who most of his blocks come against, and I doubt you do either lol

and you mention how he is still young, but now you’re claiming everyone already knows who he is as a player. Well which is it? Is he someone that is still getting better? Or is he who he is at this point? That’s why I’d like to see him play more than 18-20MPG he would get as a backup to Vuc here in Chicago.

bulls would never split their minutes evenly, so that’s a pointless thing to say. Sure, YOU might do that…but billy and the bulls FO won’t do that to Vuc.

I also like the idea of having two bigs with size and rebounding. that said, you have been probably the biggest critic of Vuc, saying how he lacks the toughness needed. So not sure his size and rebounding matters much to you. I would worry that Poeltl would play very similar to Vuc. They are both high screen pick and pop bigs after all.

bulls need an athletic big that plays defense, rebounds, and plays with energy. If Poeltl is the best the bulls can do, then so be it. I just feel there are better options available to the bulls than him, again, even though I do like him as a player

You’re too worried about being right than having a cordial and enjoyable conversation/discussion and the digs you make come across as petty and immature.

You’re actually trying to claim that blocks against guards/wing players instead of bigs doesn’t make them a rim protector…but then go onto say you don’t know if that applies to poetl…despite already claiming he’s not a rim protector lol

Anyways knoxy, no point continuing here. We’ll agree to disagree.

 

[knoxville7]

You’re too worried about being right than having a cordial and enjoyable conversation/discussion and the digs you make come across as petty and immature.

You’re actually trying to claim that blocks against guards/wing players instead of bigs doesn’t make them a rim protector…but then go onto say you don’t know if that applies to poetl…despite already claiming he’s not a rim protector lol

Anyways knoxy, no point continuing here. We’ll agree to disagree.

Lmao never change

I simply stated that I’m not convinced he’s the rim protector the bulls need, and now all of a sudden I’m claiming he’s not a rim protector because I simply question if he’s athletic enough

I made zero absolute statements, so how can I be overly concerned with being right??

This is your problem, anyone that questions anything you state is automatically disagreeing with you. You take it personally

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Not interested in poeltl. Get rid of vuc and give me gobert and bamba

 

[Enasic]

Lmao never change

I simply stated that I’m not convinced he’s the rim protector the bulls need, and now all of a sudden I’m claiming he’s not a rim protector because I simply question if he’s athletic enough

I made zero absolute statements, so how can I be overly concerned with being right??

This is your problem, anyone that questions anything you state is automatically disagreeing with you. You take it personally

You said blocked shots don’t mean rim protection when I pointed out Poetl is a respectable rim protector. Then you said well…to be a rim protector you need to get blocks against bigs not wings…then compounded it by saying you don’t know if that applies to poetl lol…you’re all over the place. Poetl is a very respectable rim protector. Is he elite in that area like a Gobert ? No, but certainly good in that area.

You’ve claimed that I’m dense and don’t think enough…I have no qualms with people disagreeing with me and I welcome differing opinions when they’re presented thoughtfully and not like a know it all who takes digs…I don’t take it personally though I think it’s mostly self projection on your part

 

[knoxville7]

You said blocked shots don’t mean rim protection when I pointed out Poetl is a respectable rim protector. Then you said well…to be a rim protector you need to get blocks against bigs not wings…then compounded it by saying you don’t know if that applies to poetl lol…you’re all over the place. Poetl is a very respectable rim protector. Is he elite in that area like a Gobert ? No, but certainly good in that area.

You’ve claimed that I’m dense and don’t think enough…I have no qualms with people disagreeing with me and I welcome differing opinions when they’re presented thoughtfully and not like a know it all who takes digs…I don’t take it personally though I think it’s mostly self projection on your part

That’s not an accurate “re telling” of what I stated regarding Poetl.

But it doesn’t surprise me that you’ve twisted it to whatever narrative you’d like

You clearly still cannot grasp what I was conveying, so either you’re being too dense or I’m explaining it poorly…totes possible, but I think others comprehend what I’m saying so…

 

[RacerX]

IDK, I feel this roster/contracts/cap is pretty fucked with a ceiling of 1st round exit and ass-beating. Was hoping for a bold and high risk move yesterday, oh well.

@knoxville7 we have had our disagreements with ZL and I conceded that I was wrong to not want anything to do with his original 4/$80MM contract. And yeah I know we gonna sign him to a super-max because we don't have a better alternative, but still IMO he is the 3rd wheel on a championship team, and we don't have the 1st or 2nd wheels in-house (DD is also a 3rd wheel).

 

[knoxville7]

IDK, I feel this roster/contracts/cap is pretty fucked with a ceiling of 1st round exit and ass-beating. Was hoping for a bold and high risk move yesterday, oh well.

@knoxville7 we have had our disagreements with ZL and I conceded that I was wrong to not want anything to do with his original 4/$80MM contract. And yeah I know we gonna sign him to a super-max because we don't have a better alternative, but still IMO he is the 3rd wheel on a championship team, and we don't have the 1st or 2nd wheels in-house (DD is also a 3rd wheel).

I agree with the timing being right to sort of push the chips in and take a gamble.

In regards to ZL, I do think he can be a robin to someone’s Batman, but I do agree that DD isn’t the Batman.

For me, I wonder if the bulls had let’s say 3 robins, plus some good role players would it be enough to be a contender. Obviously, it’d be easier with that true #1 guy, but I don’t see the bulls getting one of those anytime soon. Maybe KD forces his way out of Brooklyn, but then we have to give up basically everything to get him

Bulls made the decision to try and contend now when they traded for Vuc and then DD and Lonzo. Like you said, they need to make that next bold move to improve, otherwise, what was the point?

 

[Enasic]

That’s not an accurate “re telling” of what I stated regarding Poetl.

But it doesn’t surprise me that you’ve twisted it to whatever narrative you’d like

You clearly still cannot grasp what I was conveying, so either you’re being too dense or I’m explaining it poorly…totes possible, but I think others comprehend what I’m saying so…

Yeah, I don’t know man. I’d look in the mirror before calling others dense lol

Just a thought. Anyways, lovely conversation. Very provocative, logical, thoughtful and tasteful. Truly enjoyed it

 

[knoxville7]

Yeah, I don’t know man. I’d look in the mirror before calling others dense lol

Just a thought. Anyways, lovely conversation. Very provocative, logical, thoughtful and tasteful. Truly enjoyed it

 

[Enasic]

Anyways, Judging from Everly’s comments, it sounds like Vuc is here to stay and they’re looking for depth to compliment his inefficiencies. Based on that, I think Harrell and Drummond could be good options in FA. I’ll throw out Portis as well but he may very well be too rich for the Bulls. Maybe AKME could get creative in the trade market. I still like Poetl as an option but I doubt SA would be willing to trade him for anything the Bulls could offer.

Pretty much anyone will be an upgrade to what they had last year, though. They were razor thin in the front court and lacked size/rebounding/toughness. I honestly thought Thompson would have paid slightly more dividends than he did, but that didn’t happen. To be fair though, the entire team was a mess at that point, and one guy wasn’t going to fix the numerous issues.

 

[knoxville7]

Poeltl was top 5 in total blocks this past season, yet not top 5 in block %. Tells me guys take it at him a lot, lots of opportunities for blocks leads to more blocks even if at a lower rate of block %

He’s a decent defender, but he’s not elite or anything like that

Find someone more in the 6%+ block range like a Mitchell Robinson or Mo Bamba. Don’t trade assets to get above average when you can sign someone outright that’s better at it

 

[Enasic]

Poeltl was top 5 in total blocks this past season, yet not top 5 in block %. Tells me guys take it at him a lot, lots of opportunities for blocks leads to more blocks even if at a lower rate of block %

He’s a decent defender, but he’s not elite or anything like that

Find someone more in the 6%+ block range like a Mitchell Robinson or Mo Bamba. Don’t trade assets to get above average when you can sign someone outright that’s better at it

I never called him an elite defender or rim protector. I said he was respectable/solid. Do you agree with that or no?

I think it can also be argued he’s a better overall player than both Robinson and Bamba. However, I’d love Bamba as an option as well. He’s younger and can shoot too. If magic are down to deal, let’s go. All 3 players are in a similar tier, IMO.

I think Robinson may price himself out of the Bulls range, but you never know. You obviously know my feelings on Robinson so if the Bulls can get him, I’d be very happy with it.