3 of the 4 remaining QBs

[gpphat]

Is there any hidden agenda of Cutler in it?

Bill Murray is a Cutler hater

 

[Broc]

Why are you against drafting drafting a QB?

I'm not against it at all. I'm actually hoping Phil is able to get a nice value pick in the mid rounds like Mettenberger or Murray now that we have time to develop someone.

What I am against however is Mick's acting like it's now some trivially easy task to hit on QB's in the NFL because Kap, Wilson, and Tom Brady are left in the playoffs. I'm sorry but to act like those guys aren't exceptions to the reality of drafting a QB is fucking dumb and deserves to be mocked.

There's no guarantee any of this years QB's will amount to anything. It could turn out to be another 2010 QB draft class (which has been a complete bust) for all anyone knows. Obviously I'm hoping that's not the case for whoever we draft but to sit here and act like a rookie QB is some magic bullet fix because of 3 cherry picked exceptions to the rule is fucking ridiculous.

 

[ijustposthere]

Is there any hidden agenda of Cutler in it?

Yes. Over and over and over. Murray does it to antagonize the fanboys.

 

[onebud34]

I'm not against it at all. I'm actually hoping Phil is able to get a nice value pick in the mid rounds like Mettenberger or Murray now that we have time to develop someone.

What I am against however is Mick's acting like it's now some trivially easy task to hit on QB's in the NFL because Kap, Wilson, and Tom Brady are left in the playoffs. I'm sorry but to act like those guys aren't exceptions to the reality of drafting a QB is fucking dumb and deserves to be mocked.

There's no guarantee any of this years QB's will amount to anything. It could turn out to be another 2010 QB draft class (which has been a complete bust) for all anyone knows. Obviously I'm hoping that's not the case for whoever we draft but to sit here and act like a rookie QB is some magic bullet fix because of 3 cherry picked exceptions to the rule is fucking ridiculous.

Outside of Bradford there really weren't any QB's that were highly touted in 2010.

It's not as if a rookie QB coming into this situation is put in a position to fail...a decent O-line...all-pro RB...2 PB WR and a top 5 TE.

So what exactly is it that you mock?

The thought of 3 non-first round QB making it to their respective conference championship game?

That's not really a "mock worthy" subject

 

[Warrior Spirit]

LOL ah yes, but of course Mick's hyperbole is perfectly acceptable to you since it aligns with your views. Yup, I too loved his examples of Kap, Wilson, and Tom fucking Brady... that's not exaggerating how easy it is to hit on QB's in the draft at all.. :bizarro: No hyperbole there! LMAO!

Over the last 3 years, we have about 8 or 9 young new starters in place. It's not exactly as difficult as you pretend it to be. Some people just fear change.

 

[ijustposthere]

Over the last 3 years, we have about 8 or 9 young new starters in place. It's not exactly as difficult as you pretend it to be. Some people just fear change.

Pretty much every 3 years there's about 8 or 9 different new starters in place for whatever reason. Wanting change for the sake of change is ridiculous.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Pretty much every 3 years there's about 8 or 9 different new starters in place for whatever reason. Wanting change for the sake of change is ridiculous.

This isn't change for the sake of change. The majority of them have been to the playoffs already and more than once.

 

[Broc]

This isn't change for the sake of change.

But that's exactly what it is you're suggesting. The Bears don't need to change QB's just because you, Mick, and others have a personal grudge against Cutler. The QB position wasn't the reason the Bears failed to make the playoffs this season. It was the defensive regression. Both Cutler and McCown played better than expected being in their 1st year of a new system. Common sense would dictate keeping the status quo and bringing both guys back and then drafting a QB in the mid rounds to develop.

Bottom line is upgrading the QB position is a LUXARY for this team, not something they need to do. What they need to do is add talent to the defense first and foremost. When a QB they're high on is still on the board in the mid rounds then by all means pull the trigger.

 

[bearmick]

Lol @ the fact that I haven't looked at this thread for several hours and while I've been away, Broc has posted about half a dozen times mentioning me personally in every post. And he talks about me being obsessive.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

But that's exactly what it is. The Bears don't need to change QB's just because you, Mick, and others have a personal grudge against Cutler. The QB position wasn't the reason the Bears failed to make the playoffs this season. It was the defensive regression. Both Cutler and McCown played better than expected being in their 1st year of a new system. Common sense would dictate keeping the status quo and bringing both guys in and then drafting a QB in the mid rounds to develop.

Bottom line is upgrading the QB position is a LUXARY for this team, not something they need to do. What they need to do is add talent to the defense first and foremost. When a QB they're high on is still on the board in the mid rounds then by all means pull the trigger.

The career of Cutler has been as unimpressive as any. If a career backup QB puts up markedly better numbers than your starter, you may want another starter. These inexperienced QBs being mentioned in this thread have already been to the playoffs more than Cutler, an 8 year vet. Of course the Bears need better but now they'll have to stay bums for at least 3 more years because, like you, they're cowards who are afraid of change.

 

[Bones40]

The career of Cutler has been as unimpressive as any.

What do you mean by any? Any QB? That's certainly not true. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

If a career backup QB puts up markedly better numbers than your starter, you may want another starter.

By that logic I think just about every team in the NFL, aside from the Broncos and Eagles maybe, should be looking for a new starting QB. Including the Seahawks, 49ers and Patriots if you compare their starters to the numbers McCown put up.

These inexperienced QBs being mentioned in this thread have already been to the playoffs more than Cutler, an 8 year vet.

Except Jay put up comparable (or better) numbers to all those QBs this year and we barely missed the playoffs while having a historically bad defense (and the other QBs you are pointing to are enjoying elite defenses).

Of course the Bears need better but now they'll have to stay bums for at least 3 more years because, like you, they're cowards who are afraid of change.

The Bears offense ranks in the top 10 of every meaningful offensive stat.

Yards per game: 8th
Points per game: 2nd
Yards per play: 3rd
3rd down percentage: 7th

Yet somehow, the leader of that offense is the reason the Bears are bums. Not the historically bad defense.

I agree that we want to get better at QB, but this stuff your coming with are not very good arguments. Jay is good enough right now to compete while looking for our next guy. That's the bottom line. That's why he's still here. No need to dump him before having his replacement when he is leading an offense that ranks in the top 5 of almost every meaningful stat.

I assume you are just trolling meatballs with these types of arguments because I've lurked long enough to know your far more intelligent than this.

 

[ijustposthere]

 

[onebud34]

Lol @ the fact that I haven't looked at this thread for several hours and while I've been away, Broc has posted about half a dozen times mentioning me personally in every post. And he talks about me being obsessive.

According to him he's mocking you because it rarely happens when a QB not taken in the 1st round makes it to an AFC or NFC Championship game.


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[Warrior Spirit]

What do you mean by any? Any QB? That's certainly not true. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.



By that logic I think just about every team in the NFL, aside from the Broncos and Eagles maybe, should be looking for a new starting QB. Including the Seahawks, 49ers and Patriots if you compare their starters to the numbers McCown put up.


Except Jay put up comparable (or better) numbers to all those QBs this year and we barely missed the playoffs while having a historically bad defense (and the other QBs you are pointing to are enjoying elite defenses).




The Bears offense ranks in the top 10 of every meaningful offensive stat.

Yards per game: 8th
Points per game: 2nd
Yards per play: 3rd
3rd down percentage: 7th

Yet somehow, the leader of that offense is the reason the Bears are bums. Not the historically bad defense.

I agree that we want to get better at QB, but this stuff your coming with are not very good arguments. Jay is good enough right now to compete while looking for our next guy. That's the bottom line. That's why he's still here. No need to dump him before having his replacement when he is leading an offense that ranks in the top 5 of almost every meaningful stat.

I assume you are just trolling meatballs with these types of arguments because I've lurked long enough to know your far more intelligent than this.

You miss the point with the backup doing better. Your backup is using the same plays, weapons and everything as the starter so if he does much better, I'm thinking your starter isn't giving you enough.

Jay has not put up comparable or better numbers than all the young QBs mentioned cause all of them have been in the top 10 for quarterback rating and he never has. In fact, some of them have put up numbers he's never even come close to in an 8 year career.


The mistake you make with the Bears offensive rank is you give Cutler credit while the offense actually did better with McCown.

With McCown the Bears offense scored 25.5 ppg and obviously that would rank very high. However, with Cutler, the offense scored only 22.7 ppg which would put them right in the middle of the 32 NFL teams which would be considered mediocre. So you see, you've given Cutler far too much credit.

 

[EDUB316]

So glad Clutchler is our QB for the foreseeable future. The front office and coaching staff know what they are doing. They are offensive gurus. Not dumb f@ggots on a message board.

 

[onebud34]

There's another one


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[Warrior Spirit]

Can't really count EDUMB. He's just off the chart football Special person.

 

[Bones40]

You miss the point with the backup doing better. Your backup is using the same plays, weapons and everything as the starter so if he does much better, I'm thinking your starter isn't giving you enough.

Jay has not put up comparable or better numbers than all the young QBs mentioned cause all of them have been in the top 10 for quarterback rating and he never has. In fact, some of them have put up numbers he's never even come close to in an 8 year career.


The mistake you make with the Bears offensive rank is you give Cutler credit while the offense actually did better with McCown.

With McCown the Bears offense scored 25.5 ppg and obviously that would rank very high. However, with Cutler, the offense scored only 22.7 ppg which would put them right in the middle of the 32 NFL teams which would be considered mediocre. So you see, you've given Cutler far too much credit.

Fair points. The main one I would argue is in bold, they didn't play against the same defenses/gameplans. I haven't looked at the numbers but according to my memory, the defenses McCown faced were not very good...at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As far as quarterback rating. This year Cutler (89.2) was comparable to Kap (91.6) and Brady (87.3), worse than Wilson (101.2) Which are the three QBs mainly referenced in this thread. He effectively ranked 13th in the league in rating if you take out Colt McCoy and Tavaris Jackson. McCown is 3rd behind Foles and Manning.

The point I'm making is that Cutler played well enough this year to win. I may be giving him too much credit, but even if he doesn't improve in his second year in the system with the weapons he has, it's still good enough with an average defense to compete for a championship. I think he will certainly improve, but I'm getting as sick as anyone hearing about his potential. I'm ready to move on, but I'm glad they are keeping him around until they have a better option on the roster (which also gives him yet another chance to realize his "elite potential"). I think that's just being smart.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Fair points. The main one I would argue is in bold, they didn't play against the same defenses/gameplans. I haven't looked at the numbers but according to my memory, the defenses McCown faced were not very good...at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As far as quarterback rating. This year Cutler (89.2) was comparable to Kap (91.6) and Brady (87.3), worse than Wilson (101.2) Which are the three QBs mainly referenced in this thread. He effectively ranked 13th in the league in rating if you take out Colt McCoy and Tavaris Jackson. McCown is 3rd behind Foles and Manning.

The point I'm making is that Cutler played well enough this year to win. I may be giving him too much credit, but even if he doesn't improve in his second year in the system with the weapons he has, it's still good enough with an average defense to compete for a championship. I think he will certainly improve, but I'm getting as sick as anyone hearing about his potential. I'm ready to move on, but I'm glad they are keeping him around until they have a better option on the roster (which also gives him yet another chance to realize his "elite potential". I think that's just being smart.

I can't disagree with much of that except for the last part. I don't see the point in keeping Cutler around because, fact is, I think it will be a while before the Bears defense is even average so with a rebuild there badly needed, would have been a great time to bring in a young QB or ideally to resign McCown and get a young QB and let them compete for the 1st year and if the rookie isn't ready you can bring him along more slowly or seek another option. Doing this and cutting Peppers would have allowed the Bears to fix the D faster. I think it's in need of a complete overhaul. There's nothing there to even build on and we all know Cutler is not the type of QB who can carry a team.

 

[Bones40]

I can't disagree with much of that except for the last part. I don't see the point in keeping Cutler around because, fact is, I think it will be a while before the Bears defense is even average so with a rebuild there badly needed, would have been a great time to bring in a young QB or ideally to resign McCown and get a young QB and let them compete for the 1st year and if the rookie isn't ready you can bring him along more slowly or seek another option. Doing this and cutting Peppers would have allowed the Bears to fix the D faster. I think it's in need of a complete overhaul. There's nothing there to even build on and we all know Cutler is not the type of QB who can carry a team.

I wouldn't have been upset if they let Cutler walk. I also definitely see the value in keeping him. I don't think it's fair to say "we all know Cutler can't carry a team". Love him or hate him, you can't deny the raw talent and the shitty situations he's been in (he's not blameless for this, certainly. But still). Trestman clearly thinks he can carry a team, unless you believe Emery went behind his back. I can understand both sides of the argument which is why I wouldn't have been upset with either decision.