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I wouldn't have been upset if they let Cutler walk. I also definitely see the value in keeping him. I don't think it's fair to say "we all know Cutler can't carry a team". Love him or hate him, you can't deny the raw talent and the shitty situations he's been in (he's not blameless for this, certainly. But still). Trestman clearly thinks he can carry a team, unless you believe Emery went behind his back. I can understand both sides of the argument which is why I wouldn't have been upset with either decision.
I'm not sure how much pull Trestman has. It could be Emery who pushed forward with the re-signing of Cutler despite anything Trestman said. With the weapons the Bears have, I just think you should have expected a lot more from Cutler. I give McCown lots of credit for what he did but still find it odd that a career backup can outplay your starter by that much and you still give the starter a huge contract. Emery always liked Cutler so I don't think he thought too much out in regards to this. Cutler, in fact, is an injury prone underachieving QB who has done anything but propel the teams he's been on forward. You'd be hard pressed to find starting QBs who get to the playoffs less frequently.
 

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I'm not sure how much pull Trestman has. It could be Emery who pushed forward with the re-signing of Cutler despite anything Trestman said. With the weapons the Bears have, I just think you should have expected a lot more from Cutler. I give McCown lots of credit for what he did but still find it odd that a career backup can outplay your starter by that much and you still give the starter a huge contract. Emery always liked Cutler so I don't think he thought too much out in regards to this. Cutler, in fact, is an injury prone underachieving QB who has done anything but propel the teams he's been on forward. You'd be hard pressed to find starting QBs who get to the playoffs less frequently.

And people think it's impossible to have a reasonable conversation with you regarding Cutler.

I can't argue against anything you say here, there's definitely some proof that points to you being correct about Cutler. I simply disagree. Maybe that's me being a meatball, maybe I'm just more optimistic.
 

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According to him he's mocking you because it rarely happens when a QB not taken in the 1st round makes it to an AFC or NFC Championship game.

LOL your reading comprehension FTL.. At least get it right. I'm mocking Mick for his ridiculous Kaepernick prediction and for using 2 recent exceptions and the biggest sleeper of all time in Brady as the basis for his latest Cutler whine thread. I'm also mocking the fact that apparently the opinions of the 1 man "vocal minority" desperado can rustle your guys jimmies to the point of endlessly whining about this topic.
 

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LOL your reading comprehension FTL.. At least get it right. I'm mocking Mick for his ridiculous Kaepernick prediction and for using 2 recent exceptions and the biggest sleeper of all time in Brady as the basis for his latest Cutler whine thread. I'm also mocking the fact that apparently the opinions of the 1 man "vocal minority" desperado can rustle your guys jimmies to the point of endlessly whining about this topic.

It's like you never understand the content


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It's like you never understand the content

And it's like you can't read.

Since the Bears traded for Cutler there have been 58 QB's drafted.. but I'm supposed to be swayed by your argument of 2 recent hits among the much larger sample size of misses?? Oh and because everyone in the league passed on Tom fucking Brady for 6 rounds??? :facepalm:

It's especially hilarious considering both Kap and Wilson benefit greatly from their teams amazing RB's and their leagues leading defenses. Neither would be sniffing the title game this weekend had they been drafted by the a team like the Jags.

Personally I can't wait to see how competitive their teams remain after their rookie deals expire and they both sigh record setting deals. I imagine it's gonna be hard for the 49ers to field a team much less stack the defense with a future 7 time SB winner like Kap eating up their salary cap. lol
 

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Excellent straw man...

You basically said a whole lot of nothing.




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And it's like you can't read.

Since the Bears traded for Cutler there have been 58 QB's drafted.. but I'm supposed to be swayed by your argument of 2 recent hits among the much larger sample size of misses?? Oh and because everyone in the league passed on Tom fucking Brady for 6 rounds??? :facepalm:

It's especially hilarious considering both Kap and Wilson benefit greatly from their teams amazing RB's and their leagues leading defenses. Neither would be sniffing the title game this weekend had they been drafted by the a team like the Jags.

Personally I can't wait to see how competitive their teams remain after their rookie deals expire and they both sigh record setting deals. I imagine it's gonna be hard for the 49ers to field a team much less stack the defense with a future 7 time SB winner like Kap eating up their salary cap. lol

Tom Brady wouldn't be able to do shit with the Jags. GTFO.
 

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Tom Brady wouldn't be able to do shit with the Jags. GTFO.

Maybe if he had Tucker's 2011 D


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You basically said a whole lot of nothing.

Just because you can't comprehend basic written english doesn't negate it's existence.

What's hilarious is I actually agree with the basic premise here. The Bears should draft a QB (ideally the 3rd or 4th round). I just think pointing to 3 exceptions to a rule and saying "this is what we could have" is a very flawed argument to make.

The fact is drafting QB's is very difficult and takes a lot of luck and the right surrounding situation to make it actually work. If it was as simple and easy as you guys like to portray half the league wouldn't be looking for new QB's every year. Bottom line is praying you pick the needle out of the haystack is not the ideal choice of action for a team needing to entirely overhaul it's defense. Thankfully Phil didn't agree with you guys and chose not to put all his eggs into the rookie QB basket.
 

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So you agree, but don't agree.

Makes sense


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are not first round picks. They are 2nd, 3rd and 6th round picks. And outside of Peyton, look at all the highest drafted QBs this weekend ...

Luck (#1 overall) - beaten by 6th round pick
Newton (#1 overall) - beaten by 2nd round pick
Even Brees, who himself was not a #1 pick but is an elite QB, was beaten by a team with a 3rd round pick.

But #14 overall in the first round isn't high enough to get a QB you can win with?

Have some respect for yourselves guys, you just look sad and butthurt. For a qb that you don't like, you sure spend a lot of time thinking about him.

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The pats, seahawks and 49ers killed their playoff chances by drafting a guy to replace the underperformers in front of them....
The Pats screwed themselves after replacing their #1 overall QB Bledsoe..... wait... they went 3-0 in the postseason that year...
ok... that didnt apply.... But how about the 49ers, huh? They replaced their #1 overall pick and...... shit... they went to the superbowl.....
Well, still..... The seahawks were dumb to not even give the guy they paid millions of dollars to a chance last year... They might have won a few more games if they started the high priced free agent over the 500k a year Russell Wils.... wait....

Dammit... I do not understand. Everyone here says it is impossible to get better at QB unless you have the #1 pick. There is no way that talented well coached youngsters could possibly do anything except destroy the team.

We HAD to stick with Cutler, right? I mean, look at what happened to the broncos after letting him go.... never mind.

Ok, well at least we can all agree that there is no way Philly should have replaced the overall #1 Mike Vick with the 3rd rounder Nick Foles, right? That was pretty dumb for the eagles to waste a pick on him... right?

You gotta stick with the first round guy like the Giants did this year, cause that is the only way you can possibly win.

Right?


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I'm not sure how much pull Trestman has. It could be Emery who pushed forward with the re-signing of Cutler despite anything Trestman said. With the weapons the Bears have, I just think you should have expected a lot more from Cutler. I give McCown lots of credit for what he did but still find it odd that a career backup can outplay your starter by that much and you still give the starter a huge contract. Emery always liked Cutler so I don't think he thought too much out in regards to this. Cutler, in fact, is an injury prone underachieving QB who has done anything but propel the teams he's been on forward. You'd be hard pressed to find starting QBs who get to the playoffs less frequently.

bottom line, we gave jay everything he needed to be successful and WIN, but we're still NOT in the playoffs.
 

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Let's not get too carried away with our leadership quite yet. Phil Emery was nothing more than a scout in the NFL from 2004 - 2011. The highest level Trestman ever attained in the NFL was offensive coordinator twice, and both times he was fired after one year. There is no indication or proof that these 2 guys are capable of filling the roles of General Manager and Head Coach yet.

I have been thinking this myself. People are speaking on pure faith. Time will tell but, the crowning has been premature.
 

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I love how Broc takes away from Kaep and Wilson's achievements by implying that it's easy when you have a good running back and defense, all after years of making excuses for Cutler's constant failure when he had a good running back (who actually helps the QB in the passing game more than Lynch or Gore) as well as a defense which led the league in scoring and turnovers. Cutler had the shortest fields in the NFL and still couldn't get it done.

Also Broc, when you need exaggerate and lie about what someone said in their prediction, it takes away from your "mocking". Nobody said Kaep was winning 7 superbowls. Sadly like every other issue you try to address on this board, any point you had is drowned by your compulsion for absurd hyperbole.
 

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I love how Broc takes away from Kaep and Wilson's achievements by implying that it's easy when you have a good running back and defense, all after years of making excuses for Cutler's constant failure when he had a good running back (who actually helps the QB in the passing game more than Lynch or Gore) as well as a defense which led the league in scoring and turnovers. Cutler had the shortest fields in the NFL and still couldn't get it done.

Also Broc, when you need exaggerate and lie about what someone said in their prediction, it takes away from your "mocking". Nobody said Kaep was winning 7 superbowls. Sadly like every other issue you try to address on this board, any point you had is drowned by your compulsion for absurd hyperbole.

LOL I find it hilarious how you continue to cry about hyperbole yet do the same exact thing every time you discuss Cutler. It's as if you're blind to your own behavior. You're like a guy who tells others their smoking is bothering you as you sit there puffing on your own cigar. Seriously go **** yourself lol.

Every single time Cutler's discussed on here we all get treated to the usual negative hyperbole from you (and god help us all if the Bears just lost a game because you then act like a drunken 12 year old throwing a temper tantrum)... but heaven forbid I take your own hyperbole regarding Kaep being the best player in the league for the next 7 years and further exaggerate it and mock it... oh god no anything but that... suddenly it's the end of the world if I do that. lol

Look I'm really sorry you don't understand the basic concept of football being a team sport Mick, I really am. I wish there was some way to explain it to you so that you'd understand it's more than just the QB alone the determines the outcomes of games. Saying "Cutler couldn't get it done with a short field" is short sighted and completely ignores the role a legit OL, WR's and coaching plays in how an offense and team performs. Neither Kaep or Wilson walked into a situation similar to the one Cutler walked into in 2009 with a sieve OL and "elite" WR's such as Roy Williams, Rashied Davis, no slant Knox, and a converted kick returner. It's not Cutler's fault the previous GM couldn't build a complete team. The new GM came in, fixed the OL and WR's resulting in a much improved offense but the defense shit the bed. Again, team game. But it's not like anything I say will make any difference to someone who thinks it's Cutler's fault we didn't make the playoffs despite playing a great game vs GB and the defense completely shitting the bed and blowing multiple chances to end the game by failing 3 times to stop 4th downs.

So please by all means carry on telling us how we should all be impressed that 2 out of 58 QB's drafted since 2009 are playing this weekend and how that translates into the Bears hitting on their QB draft pick this year. I mean duh, it's so simple Phil, just draft the next Russel Wilson in the 3rd or Tom Brady in the 6th!! :bizarro:
 

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bottom line, we gave jay everything he needed to be successful and WIN, but we're still NOT in the playoffs.

The bolded is where you should have stopped. We gave Jay everything to be successful....and he has been. A top 5 offense is pretty successful, no? Should be good enough for the playoffs, yes?

There's plenty to be upset about with Jay Cutler, but don't act like we missed the playoffs this year because of him.
 

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So please by all means carry on telling us how we should all be impressed that 2 out of 58 QB's drafted since 2009 are playing this weekend and how that translates into the Bears hitting on their QB draft pick this year. I mean duh, it's so simple Phil, just draft the next Russel Wilson in the 3rd or Tom Brady in the 6th!! :bizarro:

Not sure why you are now clinging to this. It really doesn't help your argument



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Not sure why you are now clinging to this. It really doesn't help your argument

So what exactly don't you agree with here onebud?

Do you not agree that it's dumb to try and draw meaningful conclusions from a 3 person sample size of QB's playing this weekend?

Do you not agree that football is the ultimate team sport and hanging success or failure solely around the neck of 1 player is fucking Special person?

Do you not agree that it's absurd for someone who constantly makes exaggerated hyperbolic statements about Cutler and about how Kaepernick is going to be the best player in NFL has ever seen for the next 7 years to whine that others are making exaggerated hyperbolic statements?
 

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The draft comparison is idiotic


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