4 Line-ups- Dach/No Dach

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I'm not.

Stan traded a defensive prospect in Joker for Nylander, a scoring prospect who, as reports would have it, has talent up the wazoo but has drive issues. He essentially traded from weakness to acquire strength, which is completely bass-ackwards. Even if Joker was in the doghouse, wasn't going anywhere, or an expansion risk Stan could have always kicked the can down the road for another defensive prospect (read: defensively responsible--not just D-men).

Stan's in the hot seat and by all rights he should be. The team has been in a down-skid since 2016 and has been hot garbage from March 2017. Since then up until Q's firing Stan has done nothing to help the club. After Q's firing it looks like Stan is making a concerted effort to get the 'hawks out of the cellar and get the team to WIN NOW--and the signings this summer outside of Nylander allude to this (i.e. DeHaan/Maata as opposed to letting the rookies break into the league).

If they give up on Nylander early it's going to make Stan look bad--especially with Joker looking decent in Buffalo. Nylander is going to get every chance to succeed because Stan will look like an idiot if he gives up on him too early irrespective of anything else. However, if Nylander does put 2 and 2 together and comes up with a number less than 23 Stan looks like a genius to the great unwashed. Thus the only net gain for Stan is to play Nylander on the off chance he does put it all together, and that's his gambit.

Right now though we have 14 FWDs on the roster, 7D-men, and 2G. I don't think an injury is going to hurt the team too much--and not so much that we'd need a trade. Plus, if we get a goalie injury there's the LTIR grace so it would be easy to pull up Delia or Lankinen.

Trying to jam Shaw/Jewels into a top 6 with Kane/Cat makes our top 6 really fucking weak and small (tough is cool but opponents can often be seen laughing).

I don't like it and until that is fixed our top lines will be physical targets and the 4th line largely toothless. I feel it might make us obvious to match up against.

I feel these auditions of Nylander and Dach are also causing some disorganization and in game chaos.
 
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Right now are best line is the 3rd line of 20-64-8. Against the Caps the 92-22-91 line looked better than our 1st and 2nd line. Kaner looks uninterested so far this year. The Top 6 has no flow to it right now. We need that top 6 going especially Toews and D-Cat who are look off right now.
 

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Can someone remind me of the rule, Dach can play within the first 10 games and still get sent down, or he can play a full 10 games before getting sent down?
 

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Can someone remind me of the rule, Dach can play within the first 10 games and still get sent down, or he can play a full 10 games before getting sent down?
i think it is 9 games total or he burns a year off his ELC. I thought he did not look bad
 

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and in case anyone was keeping track... Joker is averaging 16.5 mins through 9 games, and has 3 assists, two last game, along with 8 penalty minutes and a +4. 9 shots on goal.
 

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and in case anyone was keeping track... Joker is averaging 16.5 mins through 9 games, and has 3 assists, two last game, along with 8 penalty minutes and a +4. 9 shots on goal.
Joker is an ex-W'hawk, so I keep track.

Nylander needs to step it up for this trade to look like even a break-even.
 

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Trying to jam Shaw/Jewels into a top 6 with Kane/Cat makes our top 6 really fucking weak and small (tough is cool but opponents can often be seen laughing).

I don't like it and until that is fixed our top lines will be physical targets and the 4th line largely toothless. I feel it might make us obvious to match up against.

I feel these auditions of Nylander and Dach are also causing some disorganization and in game chaos.
IMHO the foibles of the top-2 lines are on the top-2 lines in-and-of-themselves. Kane looking disinterested and Toews being Captain Intangibles this year ain't helping--and I don't think it matters who you pair with them--their faults are their own to own.

As for Shaw, the biggest knock on him is his decision making. If you're on a team that has special teams that suck like George Michael in a Beverly Hills public restroom...DON'T TAKE DUMB PENALTIES!!!
 

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Well, Coach C could barely control his boner he had for how well he thought Dach played last game. So he is gonna get big minutes with big guy for his 9 games.

Joker, I dont really know, he dropped down behind Bovquist, Beaudin and Mitchell on the defensive prospect chart here, I saw him down to 5 before they traded him and none of the 4 above him came close to making the team. Its going to be more of who bails to europe before ever playing here like Ejdsell did.
 

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Well, Coach C could barely control his boner he had for how well he thought Dach played last game. So he is gonna get big minutes with big guy for his 9 games.

Joker, I dont really know, he dropped down behind Bovquist, Beaudin and Mitchell on the defensive prospect chart here, I saw him down to 5 before they traded him and none of the 4 above him came close to making the team. Its going to be more of who bails to europe before ever playing here like Ejdsell did.
Well, he for some reason dropped behind those three in spite of them never taking the NHL ice, but Joker did look good under Q (certainly as-good or better than Keith in Keith's rookie campaign). But, this isn't the 1st time a d-man gets off the 'hawks an looks better. Kempny is an example.

In other words, the 'hawks depth chart isn't gospel across the league, and the same goes for all other teams. There are players, like Strome, that benefit from a change of scenery. Joker looks to be one going from the 'hawks' system to Buffalo's. Unfortunately, Nylander just looks good when he applies himself, which is not ever game, so there's a drop-off there. We'll see though, long season.
 

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Right now are best line is the 3rd line of 20-64-8. Against the Caps the 92-22-91 line looked better than our 1st and 2nd line. Kaner looks uninterested so far this year. The Top 6 has no flow to it right now. We need that top 6 going especially Toews and D-Cat who are look off right now.

The 3rd line, right now, is our best line -- by far. To say I was iffy on Kampf and Kubalik was an understatement, but they've proven me wrong thus far. In the off-season, Saad and AA were the two names everybody was throwing out to move. I was hoping Saad would be retained -- so far, I'm glad I thought that. He honestly looks like the old Saad out there -- he's winning board battles, he's crashing the net, he's using his speed (like that entire line, actually -- especially on Kubalik's most recent goal, which was gorgeous in a workman-like way from that entire line).

It's early, but to me, Kubalik has been the biggest surprise this year. Being the cynical bastard I am, part of me is always waiting for the other shoe to drop with players like Kubalik and even Nylander, who has proven me wrong in this small sample size this year also. I predicted Nylander wouldn't pan out in the top six, but I also assumed that he wouldn't in the bottom six either, but in these few games, he's looked good there. I would stick with him over Perlini.

I hated when Bowman brought in another retread in Shaw. He's played well overall, but he's still good for one extremely stupid penalty per game, and on a team struggling even at even-strength with Colliton's defensive system, you can't afford that crap. I mean guys are being left completely wide open in front of the net -- you should not see that shit at this level of the game, this isn't peewee. The man-to-man system is still causing confusion, particularly with forwards who don't know which guy to cover.
 

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i think it is 9 games total or he burns a year off his ELC. I thought he did not look bad

He didn't look bad. He was tentative though, understandably. He had one real nice play early in the game where he used his size along the boards (in the corner) to set up a scoring chance for Kane. He was 20% at face-offs. I loved how he took responsibility for the Ovechkin goal in his post-game interview. That was maybe the one blemish of his very-safe game, but you can't blame him too much, considering that's Ovechkin's office -- he loves that one-timer from that spot and is deadly from there.

If he plays his tenth game this year, a year burns off his ELC (I believe). So yeah, you can say 9 or 10 (depending on how you look at it).

Honestly, I predicted he wouldn't play more than 9 games, and I still believe that. And I wouldn't be upset by that either.

The thing with Dach will be, when he stops being tentative (which he will have to do, to be successful), how will his game look then? Because he will no doubt make mistakes when he starts taking more chances.
 

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Dach is going to play tentative I believe he talked of the more physical nature of the minors. Not to mention getting lined up in the tournament. The kid needs to toughen up. After all he isn't in the WHL where he can dominate any more.

I've heard talk that Toews is becoming soft in the dressing room as well. Maybe he's lost the hunger for the game he had. He needs a reason maybe to elevate himself. Maybe to believe that he can make another cup run as Captain Serious with the team he has.

One thing is for certain this team could use Captain Serious right now and a coach that will support him. After all how many Stanley cups Has Jeremy Coliton won? Maybe someone could hand Kane the smelling salts as well.
 

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The 3rd line, right now, is our best line -- by far. To say I was iffy on Kampf and Kubalik was an understatement, but they've proven me wrong thus far. In the off-season, Saad and AA were the two names everybody was throwing out to move. I was hoping Saad would be retained -- so far, I'm glad I thought that. He honestly looks like the old Saad out there -- he's winning board battles, he's crashing the net, he's using his speed (like that entire line, actually -- especially on Kubalik's most recent goal, which was gorgeous in a workman-like way from that entire line).

It's early, but to me, Kubalik has been the biggest surprise this year. Being the cynical bastard I am, part of me is always waiting for the other shoe to drop with players like Kubalik and even Nylander, who has proven me wrong in this small sample size this year also. I predicted Nylander wouldn't pan out in the top six, but I also assumed that he wouldn't in the bottom six either, but in these few games, he's looked good there. I would stick with him over Perlini.

I hated when Bowman brought in another retread in Shaw. He's played well overall, but he's still good for one extremely stupid penalty per game, and on a team struggling even at even-strength with Colliton's defensive system, you can't afford that crap. I mean guys are being left completely wide open in front of the net -- you should not see that shit at this level of the game, this isn't peewee. The man-to-man system is still causing confusion, particularly with forwards who don't know which guy to cover.

I thought they got their new Shaw in Jewels. They seem to have the same game, Jewels is just not as in a hurry to go start crap at the net, but rarely gets stupid penalties. This happened years ago when Kruger left the first time, we had plenty in house to cover the fourth line center and penalty kill guy, but they got him back anyway. But Bowman keeps going along and it never seems like there is any heat on him. I know McDonuts wants to give Bowman a shot with the first head coach he was able to hire here, but it clearly does not seem to be working.

As far as Kane being disinterested, all last year I said give the man the A he deserves and stop this crap with seabroke wearing it. Two years now Kane has gotten team mates together in Florida in the off season, and usually puts up multiple points when he has the A on his sweater. He isnt gonna get a raise, give him the recognition he deserves.
 

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I thought they got their new Shaw in Jewels. They seem to have the same game, Jewels is just not as in a hurry to go start crap at the net, but rarely gets stupid penalties. This happened years ago when Kruger left the first time, we had plenty in house to cover the fourth line center and penalty kill guy, but they got him back anyway. But Bowman keeps going along and it never seems like there is any heat on him. I know McDonuts wants to give Bowman a shot with the first head coach he was able to hire here, but it clearly does not seem to be working.

As far as Kane being disinterested, all last year I said give the man the A he deserves and stop this crap with seabroke wearing it. Two years now Kane has gotten team mates together in Florida in the off season, and usually puts up multiple points when he has the A on his sweater. He isnt gonna get a raise, give him the recognition he deserves.

Personally, I never saw Caligula as a replacement for anybody in particular, let alone Shaw. I think the whole point of that move was to simply get rid of Manning, who was awful.

Shaw was brought back because Bowman wanted to penny-pinch (like he always does) and bring in a cheap option for a top-six forward -- which is why I hated the move when it happened, as Shaw is ideally a 3rd line player.

I think if you start switching letters now, that would just cause tension in the locker room. I don't think Kane cares at this point -- he's never worn his entire career thus far (except a few games when Keith/Seabs/Sharp has been injured). He's a veteran, 3 time Cup winner, Conn Smyth winner -- the guy has plenty of accolades to his resume already without it.
 

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Kampf is really growing on me.
 

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I thought we all agreed that calling him Jewels is fucking stupid and I'm going to start banning people in a rare display of doing anything around here.

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Drake'Jewels' Caggiula (born June 20, 1994) is a Canadian professional ice hockey forward currently playing for the Chicago Blackhawks of the National Hockey League (NHL).

I thought I proved it was what the players call him, both for his name and the fact he is missing some jewels in his mouth.
I guess I will go back to calligula, or just write Cajewela to keep you happy.
 

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