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[brett05]

Same.

And I'm getting tired of all these old timers saying that Curry and the Warriors wouldn't be as successful in a different era. They sound like bitter ex gfs. I don't care how physical you want to play, when you're faced with one of the best ball handlers in the game that could just pull up from 40 and get his shot off at any time, you're at the mercy of Steph Curry. Such a great passer, knows how to run an offense, makes the right passes, could get in the lane whenever he wants, and the guy despite his stature is one tough SOB. The Warriors are a well oiled machine and would be so in any era. They're just too skilled, too deep, and too smart not to be effective in whatever era you want to place them in.

I'm tied of all these come by night basketball fans that think what's happening today would be dominate in any era under any rules. Just the Bulls team would be unstoppable. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc. The Warriors would be finding a new word to describe pain for themselves.

 

[SilenceS]

I'm tied of all these come by night basketball fans that think what's happening today would be dominate in any era under any rules. Just the Bulls team would be unstoppable. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc. The Warriors would be finding a new word to describe pain for themselves.

Eh, Im guessing you didn't see Steve Kerr's quotes to the Big O and he may know a little bit more about that team then you.

 

[clonetrooper264]

FYI moved the 2k discussion to the 2k thread in the gaming forum so as not to distract from discussing this ridiculous GS team. Carry on.

 

[Enasic]

I'm tied of all these come by night basketball fans that think what's happening today would be dominate in any era under any rules. Just the Bulls team would be unstoppable. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc. The Warriors would be finding a new word to describe pain for themselves.

People romanticize the past. This GS squad against the 96 bulls would be a hell of a series. Bulls would have the advantage over most teams with Harper, pip, and Jordan being thrown at Steph but if you take him out of the offense, he'll get others involved. Beyond that, Steph would still get his.

I'd also hardly consider myself a come by night basketball fan as I've been watching basketball and playing basketball for about 25 years. If you want to think playing more physical with these guys would stop them, go ahead. At the end of the day, their talent, intelligence, and toughness would still be highly effective. Rodman on green. Pip on curry. Mike on klay. Harp on Barnes. Longley on bogut. It'd be a hell of a matchup.

 

[SilenceS]

People romanticize the past. This GS squad against the 96 bulls would be a hell of a series. Bulls would have the advantage over most teams with Harper, pip, and Jordan being thrown at Steph but if you take him out of the offense, he'll get others involved. Beyond that, Steph would still get his.

I'd also hardly consider myself a come by night basketball fan as I've been watching basketball and playing basketball for about 25 years. If you want to think playing more physical with these guys would stop them, go ahead. At the end of the day, their talent, intelligence, and toughness would still be highly effective. Rodman on green. Pip on curry. Mike on klay. Harp on Barnes. Longley on bogut. It'd be a hell of a matchup.

No one can stop 30 foot baskets. Also, Curry gets his shot off from any angle and is probably the quickest release in history. Jordan never played against any one like that. The team is so fundamentally sound and the ball movement is a thing of beauty.

 

[clonetrooper264]

No one can stop 30 foot baskets. Also, Curry gets his shot off from any angle and is probably the quickest release in history. Jordan never played against any one like that. The team is so fundamentally sound and the ball movement is a thing of beauty.

It'd be a crazy matchup. Who gets more between Steph and MJ? Idk if Iggy can hold MJ even with the slew of defenders they have to help him out. Depth might be on GS's side as outside of Wennington, Kerr, and Kukoc idk who the Bulls have on their bench to give guys a breather. But maybe that's all they need. The 3pt shot was also never as important in the 90s as it is now so who knows how the Bulls try to defend against that.

 

[Enasic]

All I know is curry would make MJ and pip look silly as he does the entire league. If people think because mike and pip are legends that curry would all of a sudden not be insanely good, they're sorely mistaken. The trio of harp, pip, and mike guarding Steph might be able to slow him down over 7 games, but that's far from a given.

 

[clonetrooper264]

All I know is curry would make MJ and pip look silly as he does the entire league. If people think because mike and pip are legends that curry would all of a sudden not be insanely good, they're sorely mistaken. The trio of harp, pip, and mike guarding Steph might be able to slow him down over 7 games, but that's far from a given.

No one's holding Steph the way no one is stopping MJ. Imo they'd end up being a push for argument's sake. I know you don't bet against Jordan, but Steph is just ridiculous. Granted, all it takes is for him to go cold and I think the Bulls take it handily.

I think it'd come down to the rest of the cast and who produces more. Does Iggy put up 20 points with his great defense? Does Draymond keep racking up the triple doubles? Does Klay flash that shooting touch that netted him 37 points in a quarter? Can they keep Dennis off the glass? How much offense does Pippen produce? Does Kukoc get negated by Warriors' small ball? All questions I have no idea what the answers would be.

 

[Benchmob757]

All I know is curry would make MJ and pip look silly as he does the entire league. If people think because mike and pip are legends that curry would all of a sudden not be insanely good, they're sorely mistaken. The trio of harp, pip, and mike guarding Steph might be able to slow him down over 7 games, but that's far from a given.

I'm not sure, look at last year's finals, the cavs were able to slow curry down a lot. If they can do it, that Bulls team can sure as hell do it. Curry is having a better season and has improved from last year but I think it's still a valid point.


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[clonetrooper264]

Another thing to consider in this matchup...who's rules are we playing by? Is hand checking allowed? Benchmob does bring up a valid point in how Delly was able to keep Steph under wraps for a couple games by being a relentless pest on D, namely being as physical as possible. If hand checking is allowed, then the Bulls may have a better shot at containing Steph.

 

[Enasic]

It's a valid point but Jordan was slowed down quite a bit by Payton in 96. I think his worst finals performance. It happens. That was stephs first finals and he's playing on another level right now. Once GS adjusted curry was effective.

 

[clonetrooper264]

It's a valid point but Jordan was slowed down quite a bit by Payton in 96. I think his worst finals performance. It happens. That was stephs first finals and he's playing on another level right now. Once GS adjusted curry was effective.

True, but at the same time I don't think the Warriors have someone on Payton's level. Iggy is a great defender, but idk if you'd call him on Payton's level. On the flip side, you can definitely say the Bulls could throw someone on Curry who is at least as good as Delly defensively.

That said, I'd still argue Steph and Jordan are a push for this matchup.

 

[brett05]

Eh, Im guessing you didn't see Steve Kerr's quotes to the Big O and he may know a little bit more about that team then you.

Nope. I just went looking for them. Read the comments and someone should let Kerr know that the rules are much more laxed now. That would be my response to his comment to "the old timers." I agree with Baron Davis, just enjoy the show.

 

[brett05]

All I know is curry would make MJ and pip look silly as he does the entire league. If people think because mike and pip are legends that curry would all of a sudden not be insanely good, they're sorely mistaken. The trio of harp, pip, and mike guarding Steph might be able to slow him down over 7 games, but that's far from a given.

Steph would be in cardiac arrest from the D of Pippen, Harper, and Jordan. This is no knock against Steph at all. But it's nothing like he's ever seen.

 

[brett05]

Another thing to consider in this matchup...who's rules are we playing by? Is hand checking allowed? Benchmob does bring up a valid point in how Delly was able to keep Steph under wraps for a couple games by being a relentless pest on D, namely being as physical as possible. If hand checking is allowed, then the Bulls may have a better shot at containing Steph.

Without hand checking Jordan averages 50 in a heartbeat.

 

[Enasic]

True, but at the same time I don't think the Warriors have someone on Payton's level. Iggy is a great defender, but idk if you'd call him on Payton's level. On the flip side, you can definitely say the Bulls could throw someone on Curry who is at least as good as Delly defensively.

That said, I'd still argue Steph and Jordan are a push for this matchup.

The thing is delly didn't have to do anything on offense. He was able to fully exert himself on defense. Maybe harper plays that role, but I still like curry in that matchup. If Jordan and pip had to chase curry around all game they wouldn't be as effective on offense. Also, green being the ball handler he is as well as playing on the perimiter would give rodman problems. That wasn't his game. He was more of a post defender and was more effective closer to the basket.

 

[clonetrooper264]

The thing is delly didn't have to do anything on offense. He was able to fully exert himself on defense. Maybe harper plays that role, but I still like curry in that matchup. If Jordan and pip had to chase curry around all game they wouldn't be as effective on offense. Also, green being the ball handler he is as well as playing on the perimiter would give rodman problems. That wasn't his game. He was more of a post defender and was more effective closer to the basket.

Between games 2 and 5 Delly actually did have some sort of offensive role as he took somewhere around 40 shots between those games. But obviously even then it's not to the degree that Jordan or Pippen would do. That said, MJ and Pippen spent most of their time guarding Magic Johnson for their first title and did fine offensively. Granted, it's not quite the same either as Magic didn't come off of a million screens, but point is they've guarded superstar talent for entire games without hampering offensive production.

Likewise what you said about Rodman is true in that he was better around the basket defensively at the point in his career, but he was a capable perimeter defender as well. Like Dray, he started as a SF so I think he'd do ok. Rodman gave his all for defense and rebounding so while he might not be lockdown in this scenario I think he'd be serviceable enough to have an impact.

Both teams are great defensive teams so imo it's really hard to say who would be struggling to defend who.

 

[Axl Rose]

FYI moved the 2k discussion to the 2k thread in the gaming forum so as not to distract from discussing this ridiculous GS team. Carry on.

i was wondering wtf happened to my post..had to go to my recent post log and found it in the game section and wondered "how the **** did i get there?" i swear i made that post in the Bulls forum

 

[clonetrooper264]

i was wondering wtf happened to my post..had to go to my recent post log and found it in the game section and wondered "how the **** did i get there?" i swear i made that post in the Bulls forum

lol sorry dude. But hey, at least I gave notice

 

[Enasic]

Between games 2 and 5 Delly actually did have some sort of offensive role as he took somewhere around 40 shots between those games. But obviously even then it's not to the degree that Jordan or Pippen would do. That said, MJ and Pippen spent most of their time guarding Magic Johnson for their first title and did fine offensively. Granted, it's not quite the same either as Magic didn't come off of a million screens, but point is they've guarded superstar talent for entire games without hampering offensive production.

Likewise what you said about Rodman is true in that he was better around the basket defensively at the point in his career, but he was a capable perimeter defender as well. Like Dray, he started as a SF so I think he'd do ok. Rodman gave his all for defense and rebounding so while he might not be lockdown in this scenario I think he'd be serviceable enough to have an impact.

Both teams are great defensive teams so imo it's really hard to say who would be struggling to defend who.

To be clear, I think the Bulls would wiin a 7 game series whether hand checking were in play or not. Whatever rules you would want to play, I think the Bulls win....I just think it's wayyyyyy more competitive than a lot of people want to believe and I wouldn't be surprised if GS actually won the series. Their chemistry is better than ever, Curry is better than ever, and guys have a better understanding of their roles and how to play together. It took Curry a few games last year to get adjusted to Cleveland's defense, but eventually he adjusted. He made quicker decisions either passing or shooting and started to gain confidence and then in turn made his usual shots. I think he would have similar growing pains against the Bulls, but would figure it out eventually. I give way more credit to Cleveland's team defense than Delly last year.