A couple throw away seasons turning into sustained long term success...........

[KBisBack!]

Still waiting for that exhaustive list of teams who throw away a couple seasons and were able to turn it around into sustained long term success.

We have the Phillies with 14 seasons between playoff trips and that is the only team suggested so far.

I mean everyone thinks it is so simple, there surely has to be many, many examples of it happening. It can't be that hard to prove the big, bad, idiot KB wrong.

 

[CSF77]

NYY: 1981 to 1995. 14 year rebuild.

Atl had a 2006-2009 drought after they turned over the rotation.

Red Sox 1976-1985 drought. (start of the Rockett era)

Tigers 1988-2005 Drought until they developed some talent.

Stl has to be the kings of turning over fast. 12/13 contending post Pujos. only real drought 1988-1995. Start of the LaRussa era.

Rangers play off gap 2000-2009.

Oakland: 1993-1999. End of LaRussa era then 2007-2011. 5 year gap.

Dodgers 89-94. 97-2003. 2010-now.

Seems like team when they turn over it takes on avg 5-7 years.

Stl is a team that just produces quality via the farm.

NYY toss cash and keep in it.

 

[CSF77]

To say the Cubs can not spend on quality players while building the farm system is :jawdrop:

 

[KBIB]

First off, you are indeed an idiot, and right there you should pat yourself on the back for actually getting one right.

Now, a list.

Well, off the top of my head the Oriole's as of right now are a perfect example of a team that used the draft to their advantage into pertaining long term success.

The Rays

The Nationals

The Twins just came off of an extended run and are now going thru a rebuild.

The Braves of the 80's also did the exact same thing.

The Tribe of the 80's, the Rangers, theres plenty of examples that your rose colored glasses get a bit fogged up when looking that the specific's.

But just remember, I did say you got one right in your post (wink).


Crane

 

[CSF77]

First off, you are indeed an idiot, and right there you should pat yourself on the back for actually getting one right.

Now, a list.

Well, off the top of my head the Oriole's as of right now are a perfect example of a team that used the draft to their advantage into pertaining long term success.

The Rays

The Nationals

The Twins just came off of an extended run and are now going thru a rebuild.

The Braves of the 80's also did the exact same thing.

The Tribe of the 80's, the Rangers, theres plenty of examples that your rose colored glasses get a bit fogged up when looking that the specific's.

But just remember, I did say you got one right in your post (wink).


Crane

Rays: 10 years before 2008 happened.

Nats: 1982 to 2011. That is 30 years of suck as a fan to go through just for them to suck into the best Arm and Bat of the decade...great track record.

Twins went from 91-2001 with zip (10 years). Jack Morris era to the latest run. Not expecting a fast turn over. For the record 6 times never made it to the WS with their home grown.

Braves: Went 8 years until 91. They added the best Ace in Maddux in 1993. They did grow some solid talent with late round picks. Ties to you can win and draft well.

Tribe: had a run from 95-2001. Never won it all. 1 more time in 2007. Before then 1954...... 7 times to the play offs after the 1948 WS I'd say worse then the Cubs to be honest.

Rangers have been on a decent run of late and is mostly through it's home grown. Took them 10 years to develop though.....

 

[Willrust]

What about the Giants? They had some good years with Barry, but didn't win it until he left.

 

[Willrust]

How many franchises have gone through 3 separate owners over a 5 year period? The Trib sold to Zell who sold to Ricketts within a matter of 4-5 years. You are trying to compare apples to oranges here.

 

[KBisBack!]

Well, off the top of my head the Oriole's as of right now are a perfect example of a team that used the draft to their advantage into pertaining long term success.

Well the Orioles went 14 seasons betweens trips to the playoffs. Not quite a couple seasons is it?

The Rays

The Rays had 10 straight seasons of 90+ losses and are back to sucking after their short run. Not a couple seasons nor long term success.

The Nationals

The Nationals went 30 seasons between playoff trips. Not sure you quite grasp the concept of a couple throw away seasons, and their one season of success isn't quite long term yet either.

Did you even understand any part of the question?

The Twins just came off of an extended run and are now going thru a rebuild.

And before the start of the Twins run there was 10 seasons out of the playoffs. You are getting closer, but really not very close at all.

The Braves of the 80's also did the exact same thing.

It was more like the Braves of the 70's and the 80's. They made the playoffs in 1982, but outside of that one season they were out of the playoffs for 20 of 21 seasons before they started their run. Once again, a tad bit more than a couple throw away seasons wouldn't you say?

The Tribe of the 80's,

Actually it was the Tribe of the 90's. You couldn't even get the decade correct. The Tribe of the 80's were so bad they made fun of them in a series of movies. Before the Tribe had their run in the 90's they only missed the playoffs for 40 straight seasons.

You sure you know what a couple means??

the Rangers,

The current Rangers missed the playoffs for ten straight seasons before their current run.

I guess in your world a couple equals at least 10.

theres plenty of examples that your rose colored glasses get a bit fogged up when looking that the specific's.

Still waiting for some seeing as you provided zero of them.

But just remember, I did say you got one right in your post (wink).

Which would be one more than you got right.

Troll on stalker.

 

[KBisBack!]

What about the Giants? They had some good years with Barry, but didn't win it until he left.

They never completely blew it up nor threw away seasons.

Bonds last season was 2007 and that was the same season they signed Barry Zito to the huge contract and the 2007-2008 offseason signed Aaron Rowand to a $50+ million deal.

 

[mountsalami]

First off, you are indeed an idiot, and right there you should pat yourself on the back for actually getting one right.

Now, a list.

Well, off the top of my head the Oriole's as of right now are a perfect example of a team that used the draft to their advantage into pertaining long term success.

The Rays

The Nationals

The Twins just came off of an extended run and are now going thru a rebuild.

The Braves of the 80's also did the exact same thing.

The Tribe of the 80's, the Rangers, theres plenty of examples that your rose colored glasses get a bit fogged up when looking that the specific's.

But just remember, I did say you got one right in your post (wink).


Crane

Special person.

 

[mountsalami]

KB.

To answer your question.

After looking briefly I couldn't find a team.

I seriously doubt that it would be worth my time to have to dig further, since it's such a common practice.

BUT we do have a child prodigy/genius at the desk. So I'd say our odds are much greater than the extremely low percentage (of roughly zero) would indicate.

:fap:

 

[CSF77]

It is pointless to argue with the Theospankers.

The only 2 teams that have kept payrolls under 100 mil and kept solid turnover have been the Braves and the Cards. They have drafted in the back end for years and still find quality players. But they also sign quality F/A's

Thinking that a team can just build via the draft is BS. Spoooooon fed.

 

[patg006]

It is pointless to argue with the Theospankers.

The only 2 teams that have kept payrolls under 100 mil and kept solid turnover have been the Braves and the Cards. They have drafted in the back end for years and still find quality players. But they also sign quality F/A's

Thinking that a team can just build via the draft is BS. Spoooooon fed.

^Why is this so god damn hard to understand?

 

[X]

They never completely blew it up nor threw away seasons.

Bonds last season was 2007 and that was the same season they signed Barry Zito to the huge contract and the 2007-2008 offseason signed Aaron Rowand to a $50+ million deal.

.....both of those have been conceived as pretty bad deals for the club.

 

[Willrust]

They never completely blew it up nor threw away seasons.

Bonds last season was 2007 and that was the same season they signed Barry Zito to the huge contract and the 2007-2008 offseason signed Aaron Rowand to a $50+ million deal.

The Giants went from a 100W team in 2003 to a 91W team in 2004; then didn't win more than 76 games for 4 years, then have won at least 86 games every year since; including 2 WS titles. Between 2004 to 2006, the Giants turned over 3/5ths of their Starting Rotation along with turning over C, 1B, SS, 3B, CF & RF. I would consider that blowing the team up! Then in 2007, got rid Barry Bonds. Do believe that he was the last player left from the 2002 team that made the World Series. They turned their entire roster from 2002 to the beginning of 2008!

The money they used on Barry Zito in 2007 was money saved from the departure of Jason Schmidt & the Aaron Rowand signing in 2008 was money that they saved from letting Barry Bonds go. During their down years they were able to draft Tim Lincecum and Madison Bumgarner. The Giants even decreased their payroll from 90M in 2007 to 76M in 2008 and a slight increase to 82M in 2009 before pumping money back into the team in 2010. The Giants actually signed a new tv deal in 2008 and still lowered their payroll! Did the fans revolt? Nope, and a few years later, they pumped that money back into the team and they won a couple WS titles as well.

So, I answered your question. Now answer mine as to 1 franchise that went through 3 owners in 4-5 years?

 

[AmericanFlyer1]

^Why is this so god damn hard to understand?

Because that is not what the media and the owners of the Cubs are telling them to believe. I see that most of these people that believe this garbage actually are told to believe because they are too dumb to think for themselves. The media is actually telling people how to feel to. Maybe they are angry at people that can think for themselves because they are told to as well.

Either way, I can't help but laugh. It must suck to have a 4 year olds mental capacity trapped inside an adult. Luckily for them, there are plenty like minded people that will reassure them that they aren't supposed to think. All they need to know will be spoon fed to them by the RickStein trust.

 

[Boobaby1]

How many franchises have gone through 3 separate owners over a 5 year period? The Trib sold to Zell who sold to Ricketts within a matter of 4-5 years. You are trying to compare apples to oranges here.

Of course, one could argue that it might have been pretty tough for a GM to win under those same circumstances.

Nah! It's just a lot easier to just say that Hendry is the reason for the Cubs demise. :tiptoe:

 

[CSF77]

Of course, one could argue that it might have been pretty tough for a GM to win under those same circumstances.

Nah! It's just a lot easier to just say that Hendry is the reason for the Cubs demise. :tiptoe:

For real. If anything Zell buying the team and halting spending caused the fall of 2009.

It wasn't Bradley.
It was the fact that Hendry had to subtract to add. (Trading out DeRosa/Marquis to create payroll to add Bradley hurt SP depth and 3B depth when A-Ram went down with no back up plans)

Because Zell wanted to buy the Trib and the Cubs were just a part of the purchase that he wanted to flip.

Not to mention that Zell screwed up the Trib in the process.

If it was any other RF the result would have been the same except the fan base couldn't point as the easy target as the reason. IE escape goat.

 

[KBisBack!]

.....both of those have been conceived as pretty bad deals for the club.

Not the point though.

The point was that the Giants didn't just throw away seasons and not even try to field a competitive team.

 

[KBisBack!]

Between 2004 to 2006, the Giants turned over 3/5ths of their Starting Rotation along with turning over C, 1B, SS, 3B, CF & RF. I would consider that blowing the team up!

Their payroll rank from 2004 to 2006 was 10th, 6th and 10th. They didn't drastically drop payroll and supposedly put all their eggs in the farm system basket. They still went out every season and tried to field the best team possible

Then in 2007, got rid Barry Bonds. Do believe that he was the last player left from the 2002 team that made the World Series. They turned their entire roster from 2002 to the beginning of 2008!

Their team payroll went from $78M in 2002 to $76M in 2008. They may have have turned the roster over, but they didn't intentionally throw away seasons and drastically cut payroll to focus only on the farm system.

I have already provided two big FA's signings during that period also.

The money they used on Barry Zito in 2007 was money saved from the departure of Jason Schmidt & the Aaron Rowand signing in 2008 was money that they saved from letting Barry Bonds go.

And exactly who are the Cubs using the money saved from all the departed players on??

The Giants temporary decrease in payroll is a fraction of what the Cubs payroll has been dropped by.

So, I answered your question. Now answer mine as to 1 franchise that went through 3 owners in 4-5 years?

Hell, even I would concede all of your wrong points as being correct (which they are not), that would make ONE team in the last 40 years that would have been able to do it.

ONE.

Yet it will be a sure thing that the #TheoSpankfest can do it??