[A] Trade Block: Hjalmarsson

[Ton]

Up to this point, explain to me where in his career totals does Oduya warrant extensive PP time?



NHL = 463 games, 20 PP points.



Brookbank is a 3rd pairing dman and Q rarely, if ever, gave Montador 2nd unit time.



Nope. Currently constituted, much like last year, expect a 2nd pairing of Leddy and Odontya.

Who else can play on the PP? Keith, Seabrook, Leddy....? Q will probably end up putting a forward there but from time to time Oduya will probably get his chances. Other than that I'd like to think they'll keep those two apart.

 

[R K]

He didn't give Campbell much time there either. Maybe he should go check out his PP #'s from last year, Rinse and repeat with Oduya......



Stop with the fucking forwards at the Point. Please. We don't have Malkin on this team!



Seabrook-Keith



Harlmarsson/Montedor-Oduya.



Leddy can mix in there as he should be a little bigger this year assuming he's been working out all sumer.

 

[the canadian dream]

Sharps only used on the point on the pp because there are lack of right handed shots on this team esp on the blueline. Seabs and Montador are the only ones. Should def be Montador and Seabs being the one/two right handed shots at the point on the pp. Montador can't log the minutes to be playing both special teams and even strength...Seabs can. Hawks have needed another right handed shot on the blueline for a while now. Brookbank helps that. He should be logging enough minutes where guys like Montador can be used more on the pp.



I think that was part of the brain set also by picking him up. It was smart. Smarter move than it's getting credit for.

 

[winos5]

At list point, I don't see anyone getting traded anywhere and they are going to again roll with the team they got.

This.^^^^^^

 

[LordKOTL]

At list point, I don't see anyone getting traded anywhere and they are going to again roll with the team they got.

I could see them sticking with what they have. I would prefer if we got rid of Bickell or Hammer so a youngster can step in, but it is what it is.

I could see them stand pat as well. The team last year wasn't terrible. They hit a horrid skid, and their PP was about as good and a 90 year old dudes dong. Maybe the PP will wake up a bit. Maybe the new coach will infuse more vigor. Perhaps Crow shakes off his previous season. Could Hammer return to form and hit hard, block shots, and play smart? Sure.



Or they could shit the bed worse then that same 90 year old dude.

The only reason I don't see us standing pat (or wanting to stand pat--it takes two to tango) is that we have 7 "NHL Ready" D-men: Seabs, Keith, Hammer, Leddy, Monty, Oduya, and Brookbank. Somehow I doubt any one of those guys will start off as #7. My money is that one of the lefties is moved--meaning Oduya, Leddy, or Hammer. Unfortunately, I think logic would dictate that Hammer's the one to go (even though defensively I think he's better than the other two).



Odds are Hammer (alone or in a package) is going to be shopped for a FWD piece we need. The only question is: will any other team bite?

 

[MassHavoc]

Brookbank already said that he wants to play every night but that he knows with the guys they have it may not be possible. I can see any of those guys sitting for the night in rotation except maybe Seabs Keith and hammer. On any given night that would leave 1 of Monty, Oduya, Leddy, and Brookbank sitting. With how easily they get in dog houses with Q that's fairly possible that he'll roll with who ever is playing the best. There were so many different guys scratched last year that it would surprise me who is scratched this year.

 

[R K]

I can not see Oduya sitting, ever.

 

[supraman]

I can not see Oduya sitting, ever.

Scratch him and make him stand. Fine with me

 

[MassHavoc]

I can not see Oduya sitting, ever.

Why not? Didn't Jamal Mayers sit at the end of the in the playoffs for three games after playing 81 of 82 in the regular season? Wasn't it the main reason we were a bit shocked that he was resigned after seemingly having been in the dog house and being scratched? Completely random to me, and it basically tells me anyone can sit depending on how hungover Q is.

 

[R K]

Jamal Mayers is not making 3.5 mil per year.

 

[the canadian dream]

Jamal Mayers is not making 3.5 mil per year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-p1wGv5rw

 

[Shantz My Pants]

He didn't give Campbell much time there either. Maybe he should go check out his PP #'s from last year, Rinse and repeat with Oduya......



Stop with the fucking forwards at the Point. Please. We don't have Malkin on this team!



Seabrook-Keith



Harlmarsson/Montedor-Oduya.



Leddy can mix in there as he should be a little bigger this year assuming he's been working out all sumer.

It really depends on who is working the point. The reason they put Sharp on that point is so he can float down for a back door play from either Toews or Kane on the goal line or half boards. I don't mind that move as Washington and Tampa do the same exact thing with Ovechkin and Stamkos as their "shooters".



The biggest problem the Hawks PP has is 1) Their lack of in zone entry (Campbell was very good at this) and 2) The lack of puck movement. #1 is more so guys trying to do too much at the blueline instead of just getting the puck in the zone and setting up. #2 is what is killing the PP momentum. The puck doesn't move much in the offensive zone. This in turn gives the oppositions PK plenty of time to set up and be in position to block shots or cut off passing lanes.



In the below video, look how many one touches are involved within 7 seconds?



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vOpAdqptog[/youtube]



4 passes within about 7 seconds. Look at all the shifting that is being done by the PKers. They can't keep up with the passes. This opens up seams for Doughty who has Brown wide open with nobody near him in the slot.



Now on a Hawks PP, you have either Kane holding the puck moving up and down the side boards waiting for Sharp to go back door (which would work, only if the PK didn't know this is all Kane does) or lack of puck movement and guys just holding the puck for 10 seconds and then forcing the puck into shitty area's.

 

[Tater]

Brookbank already said that he wants to play every night but that he knows with the guys they have it may not be possible. I can see any of those guys sitting for the night in rotation except maybe Seabs Keith and hammer. On any given night that would leave 1 of Monty, Oduya, Leddy, and Brookbank sitting. With how easily they get in dog houses with Q that's fairly possible that he'll roll with who ever is playing the best. There were so many different guys scratched last year that it would surprise me who is scratched this year.

I just hope he mixes guys in a little more often. I hate seeing a guy sit and rot for weeks at a time. Throw each one in, even if it's just for a one game every few weeks. Keeps the others fresh and rested too.

 

[Pez68]

He didn't give Campbell much time there either. Maybe he should go check out his PP #'s from last year, Rinse and repeat with Oduya......



Stop with the fucking forwards at the Point. Please. We don't have Malkin on this team!



Seabrook-Keith



Harlmarsson/Montedor-Oduya.



Leddy can mix in there as he should be a little bigger this year assuming he's been working out all sumer.

Leddy should be on the PP ahead of everyone but Keith and Seabrook... To be honest, I prefer him over Keith too, as Keith can't get pucks on net at all. The first PP unit really should be Leddy and Seabrook on the point.

 

[R K]

Problem with Leddy on the Point is he's not been good at getting back. It's learned though and he's young. He'll get better. I have no problem with him learning as long as it's not a forward. Sorry Trev this team doesn't have capable enough forwards to work the point.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Problem with Leddy on the Point is he's not been good at getting back. It's learned though and he's young. He'll get better. I have no problem with him learning as long as it's not a forward. Sorry Trev this team doesn't have capable enough forwards to work the point.

I think Kane would work in the middle of the umbrella. I don't think Kane holding the puck and shuffling side to side like he does on the side boards will work on the point. He's got the best hands and vision on the team, why they never have put him there is besides me.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZI5VgWakQ4[/youtube]



Here's an example of the Hawks actually moving around and forcing the oppositions PKer's to be caught out of position. #18 on the BJ's has lost Seabs and if you notice is cutting off the passing lane where Seabs was before he had to start scrambling around. Problem for him is Seabs ain't there anymore. Because of his shitty positioning and the fact that he got caught out of position while trying to shift left Seabs wide open back door for an easy one timer goal.



The problem is, the Hawks don't always do this. Most times, they have Kane sit on the half boards and he waits for the PKers to move around, which unless the puck is moving, they won't.



Now, if I'M noticing this, how the **** can't the Hawks video guy and ST guy notice this?

 

[R K]

Ufortunately Kane does not have the back end needed on the point. Although getting better you will not convince me we have a forward capable of playing back there verses some of the excellent D men we have.



Two D men on the points on both units.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Ufortunately Kane does not have the back end needed on the point. Although getting better you will not convince me we have a forward capable of playing back there verses some of the excellent D men we have.



Two D men on the points on both units.

Shit, they gave Bolland a chance on the point, no reason Kaner can't get a shot.

 

[R K]

Shit, they gave Bolland a chance on the point, no reason Kaner can't get a shot.

Kanes had a shot, I remember Kachuck coming back the other way and scoring a goal.