[A] Trade Block: Hjalmarsson

[R K]

I like Suter, but he's far better due to what his partner is doing. It will be interesting seeing Suter without Weber. Like Keith winning the Norris because he played with Seabrook on the other side.

 

[Rex]

I like Suter, but he's far better due to what his partner is doing. It will be interesting seeing Suter without Weber. Like Keith winning the Norris because he played with Seabrook on the other side.

I said that 4 pages back, and got grilled for it lol

 

[roshinaya]

What if Weber is the one that has been holding Suter back? Yeah, how about THAT.

 

[the canadian dream]

I still dont know why the oilers havent called regarding hammer. they can just give us gagner as he is rfa anyways and they aint going to be able to afford him down the road and i am sure they really dont have space for him anyways.



someone in edmonton is missing the boat big time here. this is a trade that works for both teams. these nhl gms need to wake the **** up and see the gifts infront of them.... this is a no brainer... no complications move for both clubs.



I dont think there is a better return for either team out there. this is a good old fashion swap for whats needed...that is if you trust gagner as a depth center. Oilers cant lose on Hammer despite what some think of him here he is still a decent blueliner

 

[roshinaya]

Oilers are incompetent. Watch them amount to nothing even with all the super-duper draft picks they've got the last few years.

 

[LordKOTL]

I still dont know why the oilers havent called regarding hammer. they can just give us gagner as he is rfa anyways and they aint going to be able to afford him down the road and i am sure they really dont have space for him anyways.



someone in edmonton is missing the boat big time here. this is a trade that works for both teams. these nhl gms need to wake the **** up and see the gifts infront of them.... this is a no brainer... no complications move for both clubs.



I dont think there is a better return for either team out there. this is a good old fashion swap for whats needed...that is if you trust gagner as a depth center. Oilers cant lose on Hammer despite what some think of him here he is still a decent blueliner

The only problem I have with Hammer is that he didn't really hit since taking the suspension, and even before that he was kinda a marshmallow.



Brookbank pretty much made him expendible especially for his price.



I agree though, any team looking for a mid-tier d-man could do a lot worse than hammer.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

The only problem I have with Hammer is that he didn't really hit since taking the suspension, and even before that he was kinda a marshmallow.



Brookbank pretty much made him expendible especially for his price.



I agree though, any team looking for a mid-tier d-man could do a lot worse than hammer.

So much for Bowman betting his "Stanley Cup rings" on Hammer...

 

[the canadian dream]

So much for Bowman betting his "Stanley Cup rings" on Hammer...

Bowmans not relevant anymore....there I said it. I wasn't one of those waving his flag when he was hired here I thought it was a really dangerous addition to the head office. I haven't taken a thing Bowman has said to hart for years now. The game is passing him by and his eye for talent is fading. His generation needs to step back a little. He's been associated with the game for too long now and can't keep up with the changes and keeps suggesting really weird new ones. He is a legend but it's time for him to retire from the game. Like teams on the ice the office levels sometimes need a youth infusion.



Hammer is still a good blueliner though...def not what Bowman ever said he would be but I would take him over other guys that aren't living up to expectations either...Hedman comes straight to mind..that guys a huge bust so far and had a lot more hype around him than Hammer ever did.

 

[jakobeast]

Had a buddy of mine who is a Flyer fan, propose this: Voracek for either Leddy or Hammer. I told him I am not done with Leddy, as he is still crazy young.



So, would you make that trade?

 

[the canadian dream]

Had a buddy of mine who is a Flyer fan, propose this: Voracek for either Leddy or Hammer. I told him I am not done with Leddy, as he is still crazy young.



So, would you make that trade?

Not for Leddy like you said..too young to throw to the flames yet. He just needs a better mentor with him to work on that defensive game. Up front there really isn't anything to dislike about Leddy. He needs more seasoning on his shot but he does have one.



Not sure if I would for Hammer either. I think we have youth on the right side that is equal to or better than Voracek as is. Hes still young too so it's not as if hes not going to get better under right circumstances. If Hammer were delt this would be the realistic type of return...just don't see Voracek filling a hole our prospects can't fill. I would rather keep Hammer around to block a few shots. There is still room for hammer on the blueline. Good insurance policy also. I don't think Brookbank will play every game and who knows whats going on with Montador.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Not for Leddy like you said..too young to throw to the flames yet. He just needs a better mentor with him to work on that defensive game. Up front there really isn't anything to dislike about Leddy. He needs more seasoning on his shot but he does have one.



Not sure if I would for Hammer either. I think we have youth on the right side that is equal to or better than Voracek as is. Hes still young too so it's not as if hes not going to get better under right circumstances. If Hammer were delt this would be the realistic type of return...just don't see Voracek filling a hole our prospects can't fill. I would rather keep Hammer around to block a few shots. There is still room for hammer on the blueline. Good insurance policy also. I don't think Brookbank will play every game and who knows whats going on with Montador.

Not even for Iginla?



hehe

 

[jakobeast]

Not for Leddy like you said..too young to throw to the flames yet. He just needs a better mentor with him to work on that defensive game. Up front there really isn't anything to dislike about Leddy. He needs more seasoning on his shot but he does have one.



Not sure if I would for Hammer either. I think we have youth on the right side that is equal to or better than Voracek as is. Hes still young too so it's not as if hes not going to get better under right circumstances. If Hammer were delt this would be the realistic type of return...just don't see Voracek filling a hole our prospects can't fill. I would rather keep Hammer around to block a few shots. There is still room for hammer on the blueline. Good insurance policy also. I don't think Brookbank will play every game and who knows whats going on with Montador.

I can see positives in the trade. Voracek is an RFA making 2.25 or so. in the NHL has netted 45 to 50 points a year, hasn't missed a lot of games. I don't know what he is worth, that's for someone smarter then me to figure out. He is a RW, and we all know we are doin ok in that department, however, if the Hawks are dead set on not finding a 2nd line C(and lets be honest, they aren't a dime a dozen), would having a decent rw force Sharpie back into that role? I think we all agree that Kaner can pinch in an emergency as a C, but he is not a full time, or even part time centre.



I think Brookbank may be a Sopel type player for us. He blocks shots and may actually be a bit faster. Hell, I am faster then soaps, lets be honest.



Who knows. It's all speculation at this point, and rumors and such are the name of the game this time of year. so much can happen, and I don't think I would be upset if this happened.

 

[MassHavoc]

At list point, I don't see anyone getting traded anywhere and they are going to again roll with the team they got.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I could see them sticking with what they have. I would prefer if we got rid of Bickell or Hammer so a youngster can step in, but it is what it is.

 

[jakobeast]

I could see them stand pat as well. The team last year wasn't terrible. They hit a horrid skid, and their PP was about as good and a 90 year old dudes dong. Maybe the PP will wake up a bit. Maybe the new coach will infuse more vigor. Perhaps Crow shakes off his previous season. Could Hammer return to form and hit hard, block shots, and play smart? Sure.



Or they could shit the bed worse then that same 90 year old dude.

 

[R K]

I think you'll see a trade yet to come.



They missed Toews for how many games last year and still finished 4 W's from winning the Conference. Don't think they need much.

 

[Larmer83]

I think you'll see a trade yet to come.



They missed Toews for how many games last year and still finished 4 W's from winning the Conference. Don't think they need much.

I guess that depends on how you define "much".



I'm still looking for the Hawks to get more "jam", more "juice". All you need to look at is how the game was played in the past post-season. Or the post-season prior.



The top two lines, at this point, falls short in that department. And although the acquistion of Brookbank helps in the jam department, the 2nd pairing of Odouya and Leddy is as soft as butter.



Active stick, stick on puck, blah blah blah blah. Yeah the regular season counts for something, but when the NHL awards the Stanley Cup on regular season points...my point is the playoffs are a whole different story. Just ask the LA Kings.



The NHL seems to have moved away from awarding puck possession teams. Perhaps the Bowmans are paying attention.



And as far as acquiring Alex Semin...



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[Ton]

I guess that depends on how you define "much".



I'm still looking for the Hawks to get more "jam", more "juice". All you need to look at is how the game was played in the past post-season. Or the post-season prior.



The top two lines, at this point, falls short in that department. And although the acquistion of Brookbank helps in the jam department, the 2nd pairing of Odouya and Leddy is as soft as butter.



Active stick, stick on puck, blah blah blah blah. Yeah the regular season counts for something, but when the NHL awards the Stanley Cup on regular season points...my point is the playoffs are a whole different story. Just ask the LA Kings.



The NHL seems to have moved away from awarding puck possession teams. Perhaps the Bowmans are paying attention.

I wouldn't be surprised if Leddy and Oduya did not play with each other unless it was on the power-play. I think they acquired Brookbank to play on the 3rd pairing, and if Hammer isn't traded then he should be on the 2nd pairing. As of now Montador isn't cleared for contact yet, so unless he can come back they'd be smart to hang onto Hammer until the deadline and hope Montador is completely healthy, or someone exceeds expectations and can prove they can handle a top-four role.

 

[Larmer83]

I wouldn't be surprised if Leddy and Oduya did not play with each other unless it was on the power-play. I think they acquired Brookbank to play on the 3rd pairing, and if Hammer isn't traded then he should be on the 2nd pairing. As of now Montador isn't cleared for contact yet, so unless he can come back they'd be smart to hang onto Hammer until the deadline.

Up to this point, explain to me where in his career totals does Oduya warrant extensive PP time?



NHL = 463 games, 20 PP points.



Brookbank is a 3rd pairing dman and Q rarely, if ever, gave Montador 2nd unit time.



Nope. Currently constituted, much like last year, expect a 2nd pairing of Leddy and Odontya.

 

[R K]

Q's going to have to change things up this year or he'll be looking for a job. No question.



That said I agree they need more Jam. Brookbank helps that. They need key players to play better. Keith, Leddy, Hjarlmarsson if here, Frolik, Stahlberg, Bickel....... Crawford! I only throw Stahlberg in there because remove Columbus how many goals did he have? He and Frolik need consistancy in their game.... I'd also throw Kane in there if he hadn't played musical fucking positions. Leave him alone at the RW, he stays healthy, I predict a huge year for him......



Add another physical forward and go from there. Hopefully one with some talent, but still enough size to add the grit.



Other than that they play like they can and Q coaches like he should, I see them winning right as they are.