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Nope to Mauer and Cabrera (they are still plenty young, and just hitting their prime, I think those are good contracts, (unless Mauer can't get healthy)
Werth comes in at 9th.
A-Rod sits at number two saying that his contract is too high by 84 million!
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Werth is the only one on that list that is abysmal..
A-Rod is just expensive.. not to say what he can bring to the table isnt worth it.. Its just damn well expensive.
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Sorry didn't explain it. This thing ranks it as projected value over the term of their contract and how much that value is worth in millions, and then rates them the worst.
Like Soriano is only expected to be worth 15 million over the remainder of his contract and is still owed 65 given him a net -50 million dollars. Basically saying if we gave him away and paid less than 50 million dollars of the remaining contract we would come out ahead.
A-Rod is projected to be worth 102 million over the remainder of his, but his contract is still worth 186 million giving him a net -84. Making him worse than Soriano's.
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rating contracts is silly. you never know what type of season a player is going to have. stats are a flawed way to determine a guy's future. sure it gives you a basis, but a lot can change over the span of one player's career that can influence his production and value.
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1. A-Rod
2. David Wright
3. Albert Pujols
4. Magglio Ordonez
5. Chase Utley
6. Curtis Granderson
7. Matt Holliday
8. Chipper Jones
9. David Ortiz
10. Jimmy Rollins
11. Grady Sizemore
12. Alfonso Soriano
13. Aaron Rowand
14. Ichiro Suzuki
15. Carlos Pena
something like that.
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want to know what soriano buys with all that money?
He also gives a bunch to charity. But that's neither here nor there.
For a while he was one of the best offensive players in the league. He wasn't a fundamentally sound defender, but his speed made up for his defensive stupidity, and his arm prevented runners from trying to take an extra base. He still has the arm, but ever since the Cubs ran him into the bricks, he hasn't been the same. He's also getting old. Old = no more speed. No more speed + bad defensive instincts = bad defender and no stolen bases. The biggest mistake by Hendry was banking on the fact that A) he was a leadoff hitter (bad OBP!), B) he could steal bases like crazy (speed doesn't last forever) and C) he would be the superstar that could help fill seats. The problem was compounded by the Tribune wanting to give Soriano the 8th year.
At the time of the contract he was probably going to be good for another six years tops, then you throw in the seventh to pay him for the value he'd give you at the beginning of the contract and it sort of evens out as he ages and declines normally. Nobody knew he was going to be injured to the point where his speed basically disappeared. It was an extreme risk but again, at the time, Cubs fans were mostly happy about the contract. Shit happens.
To add...nobody is going to tell the GM he's not worth that $136MM contract, so he was going to take that money anyway. Can't blame him for doing the smart thing.
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Sure but you can get a pretty idea.
Is Soriano going to be a 6 win player every year going forward? Probably not, and that's why his contract is bad.
Same with A-Rods. It's just a way to look at who is the worst, and Soriano's is definitely not as bad as A-Rods, and no where near as bad as Ryan Howards.
But since its stupid I will just list them now:
1. Howard (-88)
2. A-Rod (-84)
3. Wells (-56)
4. Soriano (-50)
5. Johan (-48)
6. Teixiera (-45)
7. Zito (-44)
8. Lackey (-43)
9. Werth (-38)
10. Bay (-28)
11. Burnett (-24)
12. Carlos Lee (-24)
13. Carl Crawford (-18)
14. Adam Dunn (-16)
15. Nick Markakis (-13)
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Soriano deserved that contract when Cubs paid him. He had 5 straight years of 30-30 and coming off 40-40. We all knew there would be great chance he not be worth it at end of the deal but the idea was to win right away in which they did win 2 division in row. Nobody knew he would hurt his leg right away and his SB would just sky rocket down. He definitly not worth 18 mil per now but he still a productive OF bat.
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this situation is the reason i'm against long-term contracts. 3-4 years would probably be max if i were GM. too many variables in the game. so much can change with 1 guy even in that short span of time.
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Exactly...you evaluate a contract from the point when it was offered, not after the fact. You also look at what the player has done in the past to determine how well he's likely to do in the future based on his comparables and also the normal aging curves. Sometimes, they pan out. Sometimes they don't. It's just the way it is.
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Not going to sign superstars though. Have to give what the market is giving
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Right, but the problem is that the best players know that they can command that much and will want that layer of financial security and long-term commitment. If the team wants their services, they have to pay up. Baseball economics will probably change, but that's the way the market for free agents works.
Not every baseball player will get that mega-contract though unless they really are that good, or the GM is just really stupid. In Soriano's case, he was that good, but then he broke and now Hendry looks stupid.
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remember when soriano used to steal bases?
ya....me neither
Was never in Wash so IDK either.
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never assume with cub fans :yep:
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Then you won't sign a big name ever again. You won't keep your big players either.
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No kidding. No matter what you say FT will always find a loophole.
What no shoe sizes under 8?!?! and you call this a list?!
I thought I would give him a second chance, alas I probably made a mistake.
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