Alfonso Soriano's Endless Contract

[CODE_BLUE56]

Then you won't sign a big name ever again. You won't keep your big players either.

yep...thats the truth

most of the time you want to pick up a top 20 or MVP caliber player in baseball..you have to commit to a long term(5-8 year) contract...

 

[TheCubfather]

Then you won't sign a big name ever again. You won't keep your big players either.

then they're not worth my time or money. if they want to be that greedy to have to get their big contracts, they can go **** themselves.

 

[daddies3angels]

then they're not worth my time or money. if they want to be that greedy to have to get their big contracts, they can go **** themselves.

everyone greedy...if ur were FA wouldnt u want the biggest and longest deal? The players dont set the market, the teams willing to pay certain amount for certain players is what sets the market

 

[poodski]

then they're not worth my time or money. if they want to be that greedy to have to get their big contracts, they can go **** themselves.

Then you better hope and pray we do something like what the Rays did, and draft studs for 5 years in row and also get very lucky with some trades and later round picks.

Also you are going to want to be the worst team in baseball for about 5 years.

Also hope you draft an amazing 3B that is willing to sign the most team friendly contract..... ever.

 

[TheCubfather]

everyone greedy...if ur were FA wouldnt u want the biggest and longest penis?

no thanks. i don't roll that way. :lmao:

 

[daddies3angels]

Then you better hope and pray we do something like what the Rays did, and draft studs for 5 years in row and also get very lucky with some trades and later round picks.

Also you are going to want to be the worst team in baseball for about 5 years.

Also hope you draft an amazing 3B that is willing to sign the most team friendly contract..... ever.

I would fire my agent if i was Longo :rolling:

 

[TheCubfather]

everyone greedy...if ur were FA wouldnt u want the biggest and longest deal? The players dont set the market, the teams willing to pay certain amount for certain players is what sets the market

but in all seriousness, no. i'd want to win and be on a team that wants to win. you're going to get paid no matter what. i'm not a greedy person. not like these ******* in mlb now.

 

[waldo7239117]

You say you wouldn't offer a long term contract as a fan but when it comes to it, you would. As you will be under pressure etc...

 

[TheCubfather]

Then you better hope and pray we do something like what the Rays did, and draft studs for 5 years in row and also get very lucky with some trades and later round picks.

Also you are going to want to be the worst team in baseball for about 5 years.

Also hope you draft an amazing 3B that is willing to sign the most team friendly contract..... ever.

i'm not an owner or a gm and i wouldn't ever want to be. it's bad enough i have to watch these morons spend their money on 20 cars and houses bigger than my former high school. greed in professional sports has just about made small market teams' chances of winning obsolete. the miami heat and new york yankees are my two prime examples and reason why i don't watch the nba, but that's another topic for some other time.

 

[FirstTimer]

:sigh:

Thought it was assumed we were only talking hitters.

Odd.

I thought pitchers qualified as "players"

LOL at claiming I find "loop holes".

Pitchers count as players. Why would they NOT be counted when compiling a list of the best players in baseball for a given year?

Here's a list of just position players I'd put over Soriano that season:

I stopped looking because I got bored finding better players and didn't feel the need to look into pitchers.

No real order:
Pujols
A Rod
Magglio
Miggy
Matt Holliday
Wright
Utley
Chipper Jones
Granderson
Rollins
Sizemore
Hanley
David Ortiz
Carlos Pena
Ichiro
Braun
Fielder
Lowell
Dunn

That's around 19 right there. No pitchers.

Soriano wasn't even a top 20 player that season.

Let alone a Top 10,12, or 15 player.

I got bored and quit looking at that point. I'd love to see the reasoning for putting Soriano anywhere NEAR the top 10-15 for 2007.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Then you better hope and pray we do something like what the Rays did, and draft studs for 5 years in row and also get very lucky with some trades and later round picks.

Also you are going to want to be the worst team in baseball for about 5 years.

Also hope you draft an amazing 3B that is willing to sign the most team friendly contract..... ever.

ya...um....wouldnt count on that too much...

 

[TheCubfather]

ya...um....wouldnt count on that too much...

the Cubs can't draft worth shit. they'd probably take 5 corey pattersons in a row.

 

[poodski]

I would fire my agent if i was Longo :rolling:

No kidding. What I wouldnt do to have him and that contract.

i'm not an owner or a gm and i wouldn't ever want to be. it's bad enough i have to watch these morons spend their money on 20 cars and houses bigger than my former high school. greed in professional sports has just about made small market teams' chances of winning obsolete. the miami heat and new york yankees are my two prime examples and reason why i don't watch the nba, but that's another topic for some other time.

I COMPLETELY agree with everything you are saying. Its stupid that people like Soriano are getting paid 18 million dollars to play a game that we have to pay 100's of dollars to see in person.

Unfortunately that's just how professional sports is now.

 

[TheCubfather]

No kidding. What I wouldnt do to have him and that contract.



I COMPLETELY agree with everything you are saying. Its stupid that people like Soriano are getting paid 18 million dollars to play a game that we have to pay 100's of dollars to see in person.

Unfortunately that's just how professional sports is now.

too true. sad, but true.

 

[Rice Cube]

Nobody's forcing you to buy tickets and merchandise hehe

 

[TheCubfather]

Nobody's forcing you to buy tickets and merchandise hehe

...and i don't.

 

[poodski]

Odd.

I thought pitchers qualified as "players"

LOL at claiming I find "loop holes".

Pitchers count as players. Why would they NOT be counted when compiling a list of the best players in baseball for a given year?

Here's a list of just position players I'd put over Soriano that season:

I stopped looking because I got bored finding better players and didn't feel the need to look into pitchers.

No real order:
Pujols
A Rod
Magglio
Miggy
Matt Holliday
Wright
Utley
Chipper Jones
Granderson
Rollins
Sizemore
Hanley
David Ortiz
Carlos Pena
Ichiro
Braun
Fielder
Lowell
Dunn

That's around 19 right there. No pitchers.

Soriano wasn't even a top 20 player that season.

Let alone a Top 10,12, or 15 player.

I got bored and quit looking at that point. I'd love to see the reasoning for putting Soriano anywhere NEAR the top 10-15 for 2007.

Dunn? Are you kidding me? You really are Special person. Dunn is a GREAT hitter, but he was still playing OF then, making him almost worthless. Soriano was probably twice as good as Dunn.

Braun is another joke. Didn't play a full year and played 3B. Well I shouldnt say played third base. he stood there and made an attempt to play the position.

Fielder... meh. 1B kills him for me. He could be argued... maybe.

Lowell was very good, but not nearly Soriano good.

Also what is it with you and not understanding how defense works? I mean do you just think each player is the same on defense no matter what? How could anyone EVER list Adam Dunn as top 20 POSITION player. I mean how? How is it even possible? I thought the White Sox made a great signing by taking him off the field, but for anyone to honestly think he is a top 50 POSITION player is more than enough reason.

Don't bother responding, you are back on the list for good.

 

[Rice Cube]

In 2007:

Major League Leaderboards

Soriano was 9th in WAR that season. WAR takes into account offense, defense, baserunning, and their defensive position. So yes, Soriano was in the top 20 of players at least by one metric.

However, rWAR does use a different offensive and defensive methodology to calculate WAR. Soriano was only worth 3.6 rWAR in 2007. This was not in the top 20, but was still above average.

 

[FirstTimer]

Dunn? Are you kidding me? You really are Special person. Dunn is a GREAT hitter, but he was still playing OF then, making him almost worthless. Soriano was probably twice as good as Dunn.

Dunn out produced Soriano is virtually every stat catagory outside of average and stolen bases.

I like how you say Dunn was playing OF then..which made him almsot worthless, yet he was a better hitter than Soriano....who also played the OF.....

Braun is another joke. Didn't play a full year and played 3B.

So what?
He still out produced Soriano. Trend Braun's numbers over a full season and he destroys him. AS if Braun playing 3B matters at all? Braun by the end of that season had established himself as one of the better hitters in the game.

Fielder... meh. 1B kills him for me. He could be argued... maybe.

MAYBE?
This is Fielders line from 2007: 288/395/618 OPS+ of 157. He hit 50 HR's.

Soriano couldn't touch Fielder that season.

Lowell was very good, but not nearly Soriano good.

What does that even mean?

Soriano was rarely in the top 10 of ANY statistical catagory that season. Hell, he was rarely scraping Top 10 ranks in JUST the NL. Counting, sabre, WAR or otherwise. He was hurt early in the season and moved to LF....where he's a marginal fielder at best regardless of what UZR tells us.

Lowell, while not hitting as many HR's as usual played great 3B that season.

Also what is it with you and not understanding how defense works? I mean do you just think each player is the same on defense no matter what? How could anyone EVER list Adam Dunn as top 20 POSITION player.

For one season? Sure. It could happen. Is he on the list if pitchers are involved? No. But I'll take Dunn's offense at the risk of his defense any day of the week.

LOL at bringing up defense at all as if that helps Soriano in any way shape or form.

Soriano is defensivly bad. So is Dunn. Then again Dunn makes a living mashing the **** out of the ball every year of his career except this one.

Oh yeah. I forgot one. Ryan Howard. That's 20.

I again ask you, since you have completely avoided it: What did Soriano do and what is the reasoning for putting him in the Top 12-15 players in baseball that season? What's the rationale? What's the backing? Statistics or otherwise.

You can sit there and feebly try to shit on my list...but you have yet to explain why Soriano was so good in 2007. I can't find a reason for it.

I assume you'll grasp on to some idiotic assertion that since Soriano plays LF that makes him somehow more valuable or that he's "an above average defender".

Two problems with that:

1. Regardless of where Sori ranks relative to the positional strength of LF that doesn't somehow make him "good" or "better" than other guys in the game as actual players. I guess it makes him somewhat a valuable commodity for his position in that season but that doesn't raise his stock above people who are better than him at a deeper position. That doesn't make Soriano "better" in general, it just makes him one of the stronger in a weak group. It's faulty logic that could be used to argue the Seahawks>Packers this last season prior to the playoffs starting, even though the Packers were clearly a better team in a better division, the SeaHawks werethe best of a weak bunch. Who cares? I'm not comparing Sori to other left fielders. I'm comparing him to other baseball players.

2. Soriano is not a good fielder. You latch on to this UZR stat as though it's gospel. It's not. Soriano is a bad defensive outfielder. His range factor doesn't mean shit to me if I can't trust him to make plays once he gets there or even judge how to get there correctly.

 

[FirstTimer]

In 2007:

Major League Leaderboards

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baseballref doesn't even have him in the Top 10 for the NL.

2007 National League Awards, All-Stars, & More Leaders - Baseball-Reference.com

2007 Major League Baseball Awards, All-Stars, & More Leaders - Baseball-Reference.com