All purpose Garza/Dempster trade thread

[dabynsky]

I bet that will be a player the Cubs open talks with, but there's a good chance they get denied. They don't really have young SP close to the majors. If they were to get the catcher (I wish). Soto will likely be traded. With my guess, is the Rays.

I think D'Arnaud is thought of more highly than Norris, and I think the Cubs ability to trade Geo has little to do with who takes his place. The Cubs are more than happy to trot out the tandem of Castillo/Clevenger even if it is likely to be worse defensively and not likely to be an upgrade offensively.

 

[dabynsky]

Okay the thing that worries me about Dempster right now is that he might steer this deal to LA. Lot of reasons why he would be willing to go there not least of which is former Cub pitcher Ted Lilly (close friends by all accounts). I think that might drop what the Cubs get if Dempster isn't willing to go to Detroit or somewhere else that has a better offer. It seems like Garrett Gould and something else is probably what we are going to end up with for Dempster if that is the case.

 

[WindyCity]

Okay the thing that worries me about Dempster right now is that he might steer this deal to LA. Lot of reasons why he would be willing to go there not least of which is former Cub pitcher Ted Lilly (close friends by all accounts). I think that might drop what the Cubs get if Dempster isn't willing to go to Detroit or somewhere else that has a better offer. It seems like Garrett Gould and something else is probably what we are going to end up with for Dempster if that is the case.

Let's send Dempster to the Dodgers for Gould and another arm
and then dangle Garza to the AL.

 

[dabynsky]

Levine with a pretty non-update update about the situation with Dempster and Garza. Was really pushing the Dempster is going to get traded for the best package because he is going to come back angle, which I don't really buy (mainly because I think someone will give him a better offer than the Cubs will this offseason). Thinks the Cubs could hit a homerun with both Dempster and Garza though. Thinks that Barney is going to be traded and that Soriano will not (his logic was a bit weird though that the Cubs needed Soriano more than other teams).

 

[dabynsky]

Rosenthal's update on the pair is that:
*Cubs will eat the money on Dempster to get better prospects (old news) and he is willing to consider going to any contender (again worried that if the Dodgers offer is anywhere close to reasonable that he will go there)
*According to Rosenthal, the Cubs were looking for a Gio Gonzalez type package for Garza in the offseason.

 

[DewsSox79]

olney stating that red sox making a push for dempster. I dont think thats a good move for the red sox since it will take a whole lot of luck to get back in the race.

 

[Rice Cube]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/quick-hits-bourjos-dempster-sfx.html

Latest blurb says Dempster is willing to re-sign with Cubs in offseason after trade. I feel like that information would decrease the trade return because the team to whom Demp is traded will feel they have less of a chance to extend him past this rental season.

 

[tbo41fan]

Nice...dempster comes back after trading him. I like

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[Rice Cube]

Nice...dempster comes back after trading him. I like

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As I stated, though, this could be bad for the trade return, although it would mean that the Cubs could re-sign Dempster without coughing up a draft pick and still might get good talent back. Hard to tell.

 

[DewsSox79]

dempster coming back makes no sense for the cubs next year. zero sense

 

[Rice Cube]

dempster coming back makes no sense for the cubs next year. zero sense

It makes sense if:

1. Face appeal, because Dempster is still good with the fans;

2. Don't have to surrender a draft pick;

3. Still a decent starter and likely would take a discount of some sort.

So it makes some sense but it's definitely not ideal for a rebuild effort. However, even during a rebuild you still have to field a competent team (relatively speaking anyway).

 

[WindyCity]

dempster coming back makes no sense for the cubs next year. zero sense

The Red Sox are pursuing Dempster hard.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/16/report-red-sox-aggressively-pursuing-ryan-dempster/

The Red Sox have maybe the game’s best third-base prospect in 19-year-old Xander Bogaerts. He’s currently a shortstop, but he is outgrowing the position and most project him to shift to third or the outfield. It’s doubtful they’d part with him for a rental, though. They do have 21-year-old Garin Cecchini they can make available. He’s hitting .309/.389/.441 in low-A ball.

Young pitchers the Red Sox could deal include right-handers Anthony Ranaudo, Stolmy Pimentel and Alex Wilson and left-handers Henry Owens and Drake Britton.

 

[dabynsky]

If we got Bogaerts for Dempster we need to start building statues of theo. I could see the Cubs taking what is perceived as less for dempster from the red sox give. Theo and Jeds familarity with the BoSox system. Id be real happy woth Duobront to be honest but arms like Beitron and Pimetel are probably more realistic.

 

[X]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/red-sox-aggressively-pursuing-ryan-dempster.html
MLBTR's take on Boston/Dempster

 

[DewsSox79]

boston would be stupid. than again they traded youk for stewart and lillibridge who the DFAd today so nothing would shock me.

 

[nwfisch]

Dempster for Pedroia, Ellsbury or :gtfo:

 

[WindyCity]

If we got Bogaerts for Dempster we need to start building statues of theo. I could see the Cubs taking what is perceived as less for dempster from the red sox give. Theo and Jeds familarity with the BoSox system. Id be real happy woth Duobront to be honest but arms like Beitron and Pimetel are probably more realistic.

I suspect a deal involving Bogaerts would be complex and require more players.

But maybe the Red Sox are in save their jobs mode and Dempster helps with that.

The Red Sox also have a lot of young talent at 3B.