All purpose Garza/Dempster trade thread

[dabynsky]

Yeah I think it will be interesting to see. I know they are waiting for the right time to make deals, but I want to see who we are getting to start evaluating what we have goign forward.

 

[Rice Cube]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/15/ryan-dempster-may-have-made-final-start-for-cubs/

Here's the HBT article about Dempster.

 

[DewsSox79]

No. and honestly, the returns shouldn't even be comparable. Dempster's not given up a run in 33 innings and has an ERA under 2. lol.

he is also a FA to be, not an everyday player, has just gotten off the DL. the 33 inning thing i knew at some point a fan would back that as a major variable to get better specs. unbelievable


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he is also a FA to be, not an everyday player, has just gotten off the DL. the 33 inning thing i knew at some point a fan would back that as a major variable to get better specs. unbelievable


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The bigger part of that was being a SP with an ERA under 2. He's hot...But, whatever bro. Dempster has more value than Carlos Lee does at this point.

 

[Rice Cube]

he is also a FA to be, not an everyday player, has just gotten off the DL. the 33 inning thing i knew at some point a fan would back that as a major variable to get better specs. unbelievable


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It's not so much that he hasn't let a run score but the fact that he's pitched so well. While it has little to no predictive value, all GMs are still human and they'll like what they see. The Cubs just have to find a stupid GM and hope that Dempster wants to go there.

 

[Rice Cube]

Dodgers still being mentioned:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/west-notes-upton-colon-bloomquist-billingsley.html

 

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http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog...rtners-chicago-cubs-pitcher-ryan-dempster-mlb Here's Buster Olney's take.

It's an insider article, so here's the important snippet.

Cleveland Indians: Cubs president Theo Epstein has made multiple deals with the Indians in the past when he was in Boston, and Cleveland is looking for a rotation stabilizer.

Baltimore Orioles: With Jason Hammel down, the Orioles are looking for a starter to stop the bleeding in their rotation.

St. Louis Cardinals: They have had fraying in their rotation this season. They know Dempster, and he knows the division. The Cubs would deal within the division because at this stage in their rebuilding efforts, they are simply looking for the best prospect match.

Chicago White Sox: It's unclear how much more Chris Sale will help the White Sox, and Dempster could provide a big lift.

Washington Nationals: At some point, the Nationals are going to shut down Stephen Strasburg, probably in late August or early September. Dempster would be a perfect addition to the Nationals' solid rotation.

Boston Red Sox: Red Sox GM Ben Cherington has said he's looking for starting pitching, and Epstein could find common ground, given his knowledge of the Red Sox's farm system.

Detroit Tigers: This is an all-in year for the Tigers, but it's unclear whether Detroit would consider a swap of Nick Castellanos in a Dempster deal, or if the Tigers would hold him out for more than a 2½-month rental such as Dempster.

New York Yankees: Dempster could fit, but there's really no pressing need for New York. It's hard to imagine the Yankees extending themselves significantly at a time when they're beginning to run away with the AL East.

Los Angeles Dodgers: Dempster would boost the Dodgers' chances, and the perception of L.A. in other front offices is that the new ownership wants to do everything possible to win now. But now that the Dempster bidding has gotten more competitive, it's unclear whether the Dodgers can outgun other teams for him.

Los Angeles Angels: Injury issues have popped up for both Dan Haren and Ervin Santana, making starting pitching a priority for this team.

Toronto Blue Jays: Dempster would be a nice "tweener" addition for the Blue Jays, who are hanging on the edge of the wild-card race. He wouldn't be as expensive as Garza, and he would be a badly needed upgrade over what the Blue Jays have.

Pittsburgh Pirates: If they can add one more solid starter, they would strengthen the foundation for a team already good enough to win the NL Central. Epstein and Pirates GM Neal Huntington have made many trades in the past.

Atlanta Braves: They have been considering their options in the market for starting pitching, and at a time when the Cubs are looking for young starters, the Braves have some to offer.

 

[Rice Cube]

It's rather amazing how many teams are interested in Dempster despite his impending free agency and the CBA, but even with that amount of interest I feel like the return is going to disappoint a lot of Cubs fans, and if it disappoints the Cubs brass, Dempster probably sticks around.

 

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It's rather amazing how many teams are interested in Dempster despite his impending free agency and the CBA, but even with that amount of interest I feel like the return is going to disappoint a lot of Cubs fans, and if it disappoints the Cubs brass, Dempster probably sticks around.

Yeah, i don't think we're completely restocking the farm w/ him, but I think we can get one high-level 'spec and another player...I honestly think Garza will get a bigger return, even though he's not pitched as well this season. Team control and what not.

 

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Yeah, i don't think we're completely restocking the farm w/ him, but I think we can get one high-level 'spec and another player...I honestly think Garza will get a bigger return, even though he's not pitched as well this season. Team control and what not.

I'm expecting prospects on the higher end but not at the super-elite-ZOMFG level. I don't think this front office is going to get cheated as much.

 

[DewsSox79]

i see him going to the dodgers


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i see him going to the dodgers


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Yeah, I think the Dodgers, Angels, Pirates and Toronto might be the biggest players.

 

[DewsSox79]

toronto would be stupid to be buyers at the deadline.I rule them out. If anything he will stay in the NL.

 

[dabynsky]

toronto would be stupid to be buyers at the deadline.I rule them out. If anything he will stay in the NL.

It would be stupid for TO to be buying a rental player like Dempster, but Garza makes some sense. Their GM is a pretty sharp guy and I could see him going after an arm that the team has control over beyond this season.

 

[Rice Cube]

The more, the merrier. Try to pit as many teams against each other as possible.

 

[waldo7239117]

It seems like Toronto is the favorite for Garza... Who do you think the Cubs can get in a deal?

 

[dabynsky]

LHP Daniel Norris would probably be the big target. He would have to be PTBNL since he didn't sign til the deadline last year which was mid August, but 19 year old lefty with a fastball that sits in the mid to low 90s would be the type of thing that I think (theoism) would be targeting.

 

[waldo7239117]

LHP Daniel Norris would probably be the big target. He would have to be PTBNL since he didn't sign til the deadline last year which was mid August, but 19 year old lefty with a fastball that sits in the mid to low 90s would be the type of thing that I think (theoism) would be targeting.

Anyone you think that is close to the majors? I heard the catcher could be a target.. D'Arnaud or something.

 

[waldo7239117]

I bet that will be a player the Cubs open talks with, but there's a good chance they get denied. They don't really have young SP close to the majors. If they were to get the catcher (I wish). Soto will likely be traded. With my guess, is the Rays.

 

[dabynsky]

They've got some arms that are closer, but I think (theoism) is looking for upside more than anything. Norris as a power lefty might have the most upside of any of the arms in TO's system. Andrew Hutchinson was rushed into the majors this season because of the injuries that decimated the Jays staff. Also have Noah Syndergaard, Derek McGuire, and Justin Nicolino. Syndergaard and Nicolino have the higher ceilings of the four, but there are only a year ahead of Norris in terms of development. The guys that are close like Hutchinson and McGuire profile as middle of the rotation at best arms.

D'Arnaud is a catching prospect that is highly thought of, and I am not exactly sure how likely we are to pry him away from Toronto. And I think the Cubs might be more interested in pulling multiple high ceiling arms than one elite catching prospect and some other junk.