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[chibears55]

Didn't see the game. But that it is spring training and in Azl where you are talking about dry conditions that caused a blister on Arrieta.

Like I said too many factors going on to just write him off. I don't see him more than a mop up guy all said and done but if it came down to Ramirez who is out of options or Richard you go with Ramirez.

Yea it ST, yea it AZ but you still need to get guys out
He was throwing nothing but meatballs up there

If that the guy their gonna have stick as an 8th reliever , your better off going with a 5th bench guy

By the way does being in AZ still an excuse for the DBacks during the season?



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[chibears55]

Guessing Kawasaki goes North and LA Stella heads to extended ST

The tough one going to be is sending Candelario to Iowa because he blocked.
I'm sure there may be some trade offers for him.

Wonder if Baez gets a pass for his ST struggle and goes North based on him being flexible and solid defensively.

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[SilenceS]

Guessing Kawasaki goes North and LA Stella heads to extended ST

The tough one going to be is sending Candelario to Iowa because he blocked.
I'm sure there may be some trade offers for him.

Wonder if Baez gets a pass for his ST struggle and goes North based on him being flexible and solid defensively.

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You put way to much emphasis on spring training numbers. The bench was always going to be Baez, Ross, whoever doesn't play OF that day, and another guy. Baez has had 30 at bats this spring. This is like saying Soler doesn't make the team because he had a worst spring and struck out more than Baez. Spring training has nothing to do with numbers.

 

[SilenceS]

Yea it ST, yea it AZ but you still need to get guys out
He was throwing nothing but meatballs up there

If that the guy their gonna have stick as an 8th reliever , your better off going with a 5th bench guy

By the way does being in AZ still an excuse for the DBacks during the season?



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What? Most of the games are at night. Their park is huge and they have a retractable roof. They also 8th in park factor with most runs scored last season. Oh, and they aren't working on throwing their slider in a major league game. Its spring training. Its means absolutely jack shit. You just want to get out with minimal injuries.

 

[chibears55]

You put way to much emphasis on spring training numbers. The bench was always going to be Baez, Ross, whoever doesn't play OF that day, and another guy. Baez has had 30 at bats this spring. This is like saying Soler doesn't make the team because he had a worst spring and struck out more than Baez. Spring training has nothing to do with numbers.

Who emphasized numbers ?
Just mentioned Baez might get a pass on his offensive struggle this spring cause he going to probably be used more for his defensive abilities..

For what it worth, Baez still needs to prove he belongs and can hit major league pitching with some consistency..
So, I don't think he a 100% lock on staying up if he struggles with the bat.

ST don't have nothing to do with numbers for veterans who definitely makes a roster, but they do in a way for rookies and guys trying to make a roster.



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[SilenceS]

Who emphasized numbers ?
Just mentioned Baez might get a pass on his offensive struggle this spring cause he going to probably be used more for his defensive abilities..

For what it worth, Baez still needs to prove he belongs and can hit major league pitching with some consistency..
So, I don't think he a 100% lock on staying up if he struggles with the bat.

ST don't have nothing to do with numbers for veterans who definitely makes a roster, but they do in a way for rookies and guys trying to make a roster.



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You can say that for half the starters. Baez hit .289 in his call up last year and kept his K rate to manageable. He is doing the same thing this spring. Baez "bad" spring with the bat is still better than half our starters have done this spring. It means nothing. The Cubs watch these people everyday. They are looking for adjustments and progression. Not if someone is hitting .200 and another peson is hitting .280 because they got two more bloop hits then the other guy.

 

[chibears55]

What? Most of the games are at night. Their park is huge and they have a retractable roof. They also 8th in park factor with most runs scored last season. Oh, and they aren't working on throwing their slider in a major league game. Its spring training. Its means absolutely jack shit. You just want to get out with minimal injuries.

Guys like Richards not working on pitches,he trying to make the team so it means something to him if he gets lit up.

Not everyone working on pitches or their swings in ST, some actually are trying to win roster spots..


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[CSF77]

Baez has been having thumb issues

 

[chibears55]

You can say that for half the starters. Baez hit .289 in his call up last year and kept his K rate to manageable. He is doing the same thing this spring. Baez "bad" spring with the bat is still better than half our starters have done this spring. It means nothing. The Cubs watch these people everyday. They are looking for adjustments and progression. Not if someone is hitting .200 and another peson is hitting .280 because they got two more bloop hits then the other guy.

Not really... Yea we don't know what we're gonna get in year 2 from Bryant Russell Soler and Schwarber but they all had somewhat of a full season as starters, Baez had limited ABs mostly as a bench player.
I'm not saying Baez don't go North just when he does , he still needs to show more and prove himself offensively to stick all year, otherwise he can go down just like Alcantara did.

Again, I'm not hanging my hat on Spring numbers and agree it mostly about getting good contact, etc. for the most part.
Just don't agree with you that ST means nothing to all hitters and pitchers.

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[Diehardfan]

For established major league players, spring training is exactly what it's name implies....training themselves to get ready for the long season ahead. The only thing that is performance related is which fringe player or backup makes the team or either goes back for more seasoning or in the worst case scenario, gets DFAed. It's why W/L records, hitting poorly, pitching poorly, fielding poorly means nothing. It gives sportswriters something to write about. Right now, the only thing notable in this camp is a blister on one of the throwing fingers of the Cubs most important pitcher.

 

[chibears55]

For established major league players, spring training is exactly what it's name implies....training themselves to get ready for the long season ahead. The only thing that is performance related is which fringe player or backup makes the team or either goes back for more seasoning or in the worst case scenario, gets DFAed. It's why W/L records, hitting poorly, pitching poorly, fielding poorly means nothing. It gives sportswriters something to write about. Right now, the only thing notable in this camp is a blister on one of the throwing fingers of the Cubs most important pitcher.

I agree...

I just made a simple comment about Baez getting a pass on his offensive struggle in ST because he most likely gonna be used more for defensive purposes and it got turned into something else.

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[CSF77]

spring is about getting ready for the season. I've seen it too many times where a hitter or pitcher just wrecks Spring then the season hits they go south. Weather is a major factor. 80's to 50's if that after a flight.... Adding humidity adds to pitch breaks. Pitchers were working on sequence and pitch location. So they are for the most part just working on their pitch command vs trying to scout line ups and work pitch sequences when they are trying to just get that pitch to work this time up.

You really can't even take this worth a grain. Guys that are trying to get noticed will put up big numbers because they were playing the whole off season to try to break in. While a established may just be trying to hit the ball to the opposite field that AB.

Shoot just look at ARam. Wrecked ST the fell asleep until late May every year

 

[beckdawg]

Just FYI I believe the cubs already said they plan to start Candelario at AA.

 

[SilenceS]

I remember when Jake Fox was the next 30 homerun club.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Anyone have thoughts on Maddon's plan to bat Zobrist 3rd on most days making it

Fowler
Heyward
Zobrist
Rizzo
Bryant
Schwarber
Montero
Russell
Pitcher

This is pretty much a sabernetrician's dream lineup and I think it has a lot of merit. Maddon tried this with Coghlan last year with a lot of success and Zobrist is more of an OBP guy. I've seen a lot to of fans losing their shit over this already though.

 

[chibears55]

Anyone have thoughts on Maddon's plan to bat Zobrist 3rd on most days making it

Fowler
Heyward
Zobrist
Rizzo
Bryant
Schwarber
Montero
Russell
Pitcher

This is pretty much a sabernetrician's dream lineup and I think it has a lot of merit. Maddon tried this with Coghlan last year with a lot of success and Zobrist is more of an OBP guy. I've seen a lot to f fans like sing their shit over this already though.

Rizzo Bryant and Schwarber are gonna have a lot of RBI chances..

Kinda scary for a pitcher to get through the 3 4 5 hitters and then oh wait you still got Schwarber in the 6 hole..

Montero even has a chance to rack up RBIs with those guys getting on ahead of him..

Then the games in AL with the DH and you add Soler to lineup
Holy Smokes

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[Diehardfan]

IDK...I always thought you bat your best hitter 3rd which Zobrist is clearly not but if nothing else, I learned from last year that Maddon knows his players better than I ever will. I'm comfortable with what he does.

 

[beckdawg]

Anyone have thoughts on Maddon's plan to bat Zobrist 3rd on most days making it

Fowler
Heyward
Zobrist
Rizzo
Bryant
Schwarber
Montero
Russell
Pitcher

This is pretty much a sabernetrician's dream lineup and I think it has a lot of merit. Maddon tried this with Coghlan last year with a lot of success and Zobrist is more of an OBP guy. I've seen a lot to of fans losing their shit over this already though.

I'm not sure how I feel about it. I get the concept but it must be counter intuitive because it doesn't feel right to bat Bryant and Schwarber so low.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Heyward and Zobrist make contact with the ball. It shouldn't be any surprise that they are batting 2 and 3 in the lineup.

 

[SilenceS]

It will probably change later in the summer. They value contact in the early months because of the cold. They specifically talked about zobrist and Heyward being big in the colder months.


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