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Why Wrigley Field Must Be Destroyed-Article

Why Wrigley Field Must Be Destroyed - WSJ.com

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Having not won a World Series since 1908, and having last appeared on that stage in 1945—a war year in which the professional leagues were still populated by has-beens and freaks—the Chicago Cubs must contemplate the only solution that might restore the team to glory: Tear down Wrigley Field.

Having not won a World Series since 1908, the Chicago Cubs must contemplate the only solution that might restore the team to glory: Tear down Wrigley Field. Rich Cohen on The News Hub explains his rationale for this drastic proposal. Photo: Getty Images.

Destroy it. Annihilate it. Collapse it with the sort of charges that put the Sands Hotel out of its misery in Vegas. Implosion or explosion, get rid of it. That pile of quaintness has to go. Not merely the structure, but the ground on which it stands.


I'm a Roman, and to me, the expanse between Waveland and Addison on Chicago's North Side is Carthage. The struts and concessions, the catwalk where the late broadcaster Harry Caray once greeted me with all the fluid liquidity of an animatronic Disneyland pirate—Hello, Cubs fan!—the ramps that ascend like a ziggurat to heaven—it's a false heaven—the bases, trestles, ivy, wooden seats and bleachers, the towering center-field scoreboard—all of it must be ripped out and carried away like the holy artifacts were carried out of the temple in Jerusalem, heaped in a pile and burned. Then the ground itself must be salted, made barren, covered with a housing project, say, a Stalinist monolith, so never again will a shrine arise on that haunted block. As it was with Moses, the followers and fans, though they search, shall never find its bones.

The Cubs moved into Wrigley in 1916, when it was known as Weeghman Park. Before that, it was the home of the Whales of the Federal League. The Cubs, founded in 1870, had been wanderers, playing on fields scattered across the breadth of booming iron-plated Chicago. The grandest was West Side Park, an opera house for the proletariat, with its velvet curtained boxes, at the intersection of Taylor and Wood on the West Side.

Most importantly, the Cubs won there. The glory years before Wrigley are like the age before the flood, when exotic species thrived on the earth, among them the feared Chicago Cub.

The team was a powerhouse. Performing as the White Stockings (1876-1889), the Colts (1890-1897), the Orphans (1898–1902) and finally the Cubs, they won with regularity. In 1906 they went 116-36, a .763 winning percentage that remains the greatest season in major-league history. In 1907 they won their first World Series; in 1908, with the unhittable Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown and the Tinker-to-Evers-to-Chance double-play combo that was death to nascent rallies, they won it again.

The Cubs then made the fatal mistake of taking up in Wrigley, where the evening sun streams through the cross-hatching above home plate and the creeping shadows form a web that has ensnared the club for a century, where sometimes the wind blows in and sometimes it blows out, and the only constant is disappointment.

The entire story can be told via two statistics:

The Cubs pre-Wrigley: 2,971 wins, 2,152 losses.

The Cubs since (before Monday): 7,382 wins, 7,703 losses.

When a house is haunted, you don't put in a new scoreboard, add ivy, get better food or bigger beers—you move!

There are probably an infinite number of reasons the Cubs have not won in Wrigley Field, but I've come up with three chief explanations:

1. The park is schizo.


A few years ago, when I was traveling with the Cubs for a story, I had a long talk with Andy MacPhail, then the team's president. MacPhail had just come from Minnesota, where he won two World Series.

In Chicago, he told me, the big challenge was building a team that could win in Wrigley, a stadium that suffers multiple-personality disorder. In Minnesota, he'd been able to fashion a roster designed to win in the Metrodome, where the Twins played; as the Yankees were long able to design a team for their stadium, where left-handed power hitters take advantage of right field's so-called "short porch."

But Wrigley has no such peculiarity. It looks like a home-run hitter's park, and when the wind blows out, it is. But when the wind screams off the lake, the park turns nasty. Even balls headed for the seats are reduced to routine flies. For the Cubs, MacPhail said, every game might as well be away. Which means the front office has to build a kind of All-Star team, perfectly rounded for every kind of park. Which is impossible.

2. Wrigley Field is too damn nice.

Going to the park is so pleasant, the game itself has become secondary. The sunshine, the lake air, the red brick—that's what draws the crowds. The bleachers are filled even when the team is terrible, which takes pressure off of the owners.

Cubs fans are the Buddhists of the game, free from the wheel of profit and loss, happy to live in the now of Wrigley, to enjoy the sun as routine grounders are booted and bodies wither and die.

There's a conspiracy theory: following the death of William Wrigley Jr., the chewing-gum tycoon who bought the franchise, his successors, not really caring about the game, made a decision to substitute the park for the team, turning the experience into the attraction.

This is when Bill Veeck Jr., the great baseball man, planted the ivy, and people began lauding Wrigley Field as the greatest space in the game. My view on this changed when I moved to New York from Chicago and took the Yankee perspective: It's not ivy that makes a place beautiful. It's winning. Conversely, a century of stinking renders even the loveliest of parks a monstrosity.

3. Losing some of the time makes you want to win; losing all of the time makes you a loser.

The many decades of ineptitude have become the truth. They call it a curse, and it is, but not the kind summoned by Greek tavern owners (the curse of the Billy Goat) or slighted shortstops (the curse of Ernie Banks). It's the kind known as a complex.

A bad century has made winning seem like a fairy tale. It doesn't matter what wizard managers the team hires, players, executives—once it was Lou Piniella; now it's Theo Epstein. People who have won everywhere lose in Chicago. The tradition is just too powerful to deny.

For years I dismissed this as hocus-pocus, the mumbo jumbo of psychologists. Then I saw it with my own eyes in the eighth inning of Game 6 of the 2003 National League Championship Series. This was the infamous Bartman game, in which a foul ball, which might otherwise have been caught by Moises Alou, was grabbed at by Steve Bartman, a Cubs fan. The Cubs, up 3-0 and just five outs from their first World Series appearance since 1945, immediately allowed eight runs, lost the game and, a day later, the series.

And whom do Cubs fans blame? The million-dollar players who couldn't overcome the slightest turbulence? Of course not. They blame the fan. That's what 100 years of losing does to your psyche.

What will happen when the Cubs walk away from Wrigley? They will forget, and as they forget, they will win. Think of 100 years in Wrigley as 40 years in the wilderness. It's time for a new generation to be born, untouched by the slavery of endless defeat.

Only one team has ever won consistently in Wrigley: the Chicago Bears, who dominated the NFL in the 1930s and '40s. But even they had trouble with the park. One afternoon, Bronko Nagurski busted through the line at Wrigley, head down, carrying the ball, protected only by his leather helmet. He went through the secondary, then through the end zone, then into the brick wall along right field. As he stumbled back to the bench, dazed, his teammates watched him with concern. "You OK?" one of them asked.

"Yeah, I'm fine," said Nagurski. "But that last guy, he got me pretty good."

Of course, he did. His name is Wrigley Field and he's been knocking the crap out of the Cubs for 100 years.
 

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Wow, that article's a doozy. Not sure really sure how to respond to it, or better yet, where to start... :thinking:
 

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Point #1 is correct in a way. The location of the park and the wind effect makes it difficult to build a team. If you want to stay there you basically have to fill the team with guys who can hit line drives as well as home runs (i.e. consummate hitters) to compensate for Wrigley's weather mood swings.

Point #2 and #3 have more to do with the marketing and the attitude of Cub sheeple fans. It's a bit rough as depicted in the article, but Cubs fans don't want their ballpark changed, yet expect the players to play there and win "old school" with substandard facilities, a skewed amount of day games relative to the other 29 teams, restricted revenue streams, etc etc. It's a very clumsy point he was trying to make but indirectly it speaks to the challenges of playing at Wrigley Field because of the expectations (or, since the Cubs = lovable losers, lack thereof).
 

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This blog post by Joe Posnanski is much better written and talks about the Cubs' problems that extend beyond Wrigley:

Joe Blogs: The Cubs

This isn't to say that Wrigley isn't an issue; it's merely one of several issues that have plagued the Cubs.
 

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LOL....

I don't even know what to say.. Some of it makes sense.. lots of it is epic BS..
 

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Offensively the Cubs just need a balanced team.. It doesn't have to be built to one way or the other.
 

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Wrigley Field is not the biggest reason the Cubs have not won a World Series. Talent is what wins baseball game. How many times in the past several decades can we say that the Cubs were even in the top third in terms of talent in all of baseball? I am guessing we can count it on one hand. If the argument is that Wrigley Field prevents the Cubs from acquiring top talent, I can see some merit to the idea, but this idea that the different conditions make it that much harder to win is a stretch.
 

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Point #1 is the biggest reason why the Cubs need to leave Wrigley.

I couldn't find out anything to confirm it, but haven't the Cubs only had like 2 winning seasons at Wrigley (as opposed to on the road) over the past 50 years?
 

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Point #1 is the biggest reason why the Cubs need to leave Wrigley.

I couldn't find out anything to confirm it, but haven't the Cubs only had like 2 winning seasons at Wrigley (as opposed to on the road) over the past 50 years?

They have had a winning record at home 3 out of the past 5 years (2007-2011). The years the team has had a winning record they win at home. The years they suck, they suck everywhere.
 

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Point #1 is the biggest reason why the Cubs need to leave Wrigley.

I couldn't find out anything to confirm it, but haven't the Cubs only had like 2 winning seasons at Wrigley (as opposed to on the road) over the past 50 years?

Probably easy just to look at the Baseball-Reference page for the Cubs and check the home/road splits. Dabynsky is correct in that the Cubs have generally been shitty and that's the major factor in deciding wins/losses, but the condition of the ballpark as well as the weather can't help much either.
 

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Probably easy just to look at the Baseball-Reference page for the Cubs and check the home/road splits. Dabynsky is correct in that the Cubs have generally been shitty and that's the major factor in deciding wins/losses, but the condition of the ballpark as well as the weather can't help much either.

Lack of talent is a far greater disadvantage than the ballpark. Now if the argument is that the substandard facilities and day games make it difficult to attract top free agents than I see more credence to the argument.
 

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Lack of talent is a far greater disadvantage than the ballpark. Now if the argument is that the substandard facilities and day games make it difficult to attract top free agents than I see more credence to the argument.

It was a poorly constructed article and I believe they omitted this point altogether. Not to mention the lack of revenue streams.
 

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I understand those arguments and I agree that it is a problem. Wrigley needs major work to remain viable for a major league franchise. But this idea that winning at Wrigley is impossible due to the field conditions, is at best overstated, in the article.
 

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How fucking ridiculous is that story?

Good organizations would find a way to win in a parking lot......bad ones lose in a dome.
 

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I understand those arguments and I agree that it is a problem. Wrigley needs major work to remain viable for a major league franchise. But this idea that winning at Wrigley is impossible due to the field conditions, is at best overstated, in the article.

The field itself is fine, it's well-maintained. I think it's the wind blowing in and out that leads to the unpredictability and thus the need for the construction of a balanced lineup.
 
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