Analysis shows former Blackhawk Steve Montador had CTE

[TCD]

CTE and Head trauma isn't caused by 1-2 punches that accidentally land in a hockey fight. Jesus Christ.

took 56789989898989706706 punches to the head to **** up Alis brain. 8767869786987697 of those coming from Foreman in one fight though. And those are guys who trained to punch out boulders.

 

[Variable]

CTE and Head trauma isn't caused by 1-2 punches that accidentally land in a hockey fight. Jesus Christ.

Annnd I never said that. I actually said the exact opposite one post prior to this. Jesus Christ lol. It's okay Grim, it's okay.

 

[DMelt36]

Sorry friend.

Honestly it's my fault for saying the word "fighting" in the original post of this thread.

Well, I shouldn't say fault. Because there's actually been some good discussion in here.

 

[DMelt36]

CTE and Head trauma isn't caused by 1-2 punches that accidentally land in a hockey fight. Jesus Christ.

Well, then what did cause it?

 

[MassHavoc]

People want to immediately point to fighting as the main cause of CTE in hockey, and while I'm sure that is a contributing factor for certain guys with a certain style of play, people will disregard the fact that CTE is as much from a sustained impact to the head as it is from massive blows to the head. Throughout his recorded hockey career (OHL and NHL) he recorded he had 89 fights. That's a lot to be sure and it looks like 16 years. Some years more than others. But in just his time with NHL teams he recorded over 600 hits. And that's just the recorded hits. Not the other scuffles and brush ups and such, losing an edge into a wall and whatnot. It's a very violent sport and a disservice to all the players to look at CTE as just an issue with fighting. A guy who has a style of play of being very physical and goes out and has 4-5 hits a game, could be sustaining as much longterm damage as a guy who has 5 or 6 fights.

One thing is for sure, if you go to NHL.com and search for Montedor, you see nothing about CTE, and if you search for CTE you wont' see anything posted since a 2012 documentary article. That tells you how serious they think the issue is.

 

[LordKOTL]

Well, then what did cause it?

High hits, targeting the head, extreme boarding, etc. See also: Torres hit on Hossa. At least that's another significant factor.

The problem as I see it is that fighting isn't that significant of contributer anymore. I don't think there's any player within the leage that fights nearly as much as the enforces of yore did but we're still seeing CTE. What you're seeing is a lot of dirty hits--Bertuzzi, Cooke, Torres, Carcillo, etc. and they all get relative slaps on the wrist for it.

Banning fighting won't diminish that aspect. Fighting is already illegal and making it more illegal is not going to deter fuckwads like Orpik. More fighting is likley not the answer (even though it peggs those with healthy reptilian brains with the thought of imagining Tony Twist in his Roid-rage days just completely ragdolling that eunuch), but slaps on the wrist like the DoPS hands out nowadays definitly aren't, either.

The problem, as I see it, is that there's too much focus on fighting which is pretty low in the league and even guys like Bollig aren't doing it night-in/night out like the enforcer days, and not enough focus on getting guys like Orpik, Cooke, Torres, Carcillo, et. al out of the league.

I honestly think that it's going to take a superstar--as in an NHL cash cow getting completely railroaded and their career ended by a blatant cheapshot that's goign to solve that problem since sports leage are always reactionary, not preemptive.

 

[MassHavoc]

High hits, targeting the head, extreme boarding, etc. See also: Torres hit on Hossa. At least that's another significant factor.

The problem as I see it is that fighting isn't that significant of contributer anymore. I don't think there's any player within the leage that fights nearly as much as the enforces of yore did but we're still seeing CTE. What you're seeing is a lot of dirty hits--Bertuzzi, Cooke, Torres, Carcillo, etc. and they all get relative slaps on the wrist for it.

Banning fighting won't diminish that aspect. Fighting is already illegal and making it more illegal is not going to deter fuckwads like Orpik. More fighting is likley not the answer (even though it peggs those with healthy reptilian brains with the thought of imagining Tony Twist in his Roid-rage days just completely ragdolling that eunuch), but slaps on the wrist like the DoPS hands out nowadays definitly aren't, either.

The problem, as I see it, is that there's too much focus on fighting which is pretty low in the league and even guys like Bollig aren't doing it night-in/night out like the enforcer days, and not enough focus on getting guys like Orpik, Cooke, Torres, Carcillo, et. al out of the league.

I honestly think that it's going to take a superstar--as in an NHL cash cow getting completely railroaded and their career ended by a blatant cheapshot that's goign to solve that problem since sports leage are always reactionary, not preemptive.

But I believe you can only diagnose it after an autopsy? And I doubt that too many start players are going to have that done any time soon. I think it's a lot of factors created by the lifestyle of professional athletes. The constant traveling causing fatigue. The alcohol and drug abuse, the devastating hits, boards, dirty plays, and of course any knockout punches.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Does fighting accomplish what it's intended to do? If not, what's the point in keeping it around?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Does fighting accomplish what it's intended to do? If not, what's the point in keeping it around?

It entertains more people than it turns away. If you ask any NHL hockey player they will also tell you it gives them some adrenaline (those not involved in the fight).

But what do they know?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

But what about the children?

 

[DMelt36]

Banning fighting won't diminish that aspect. Fighting is already illegal and making it more illegal is not going to deter fuckwads like Orpik. More fighting is likley not the answer (even though it peggs those with healthy reptilian brains with the thought of imagining Tony Twist in his Roid-rage days just completely ragdolling that eunuch), but slaps on the wrist like the DoPS hands out nowadays definitly aren't, either.

The problem, as I see it, is that there's too much focus on fighting which is pretty low in the league and even guys like Bollig aren't doing it night-in/night out like the enforcer days, and not enough focus on getting guys like Orpik, Cooke, Torres, Carcillo, et. al out of the league.

I honestly think that it's going to take a superstar--as in an NHL cash cow getting completely railroaded and their career ended by a blatant cheapshot that's goign to solve that problem since sports leage are always reactionary, not preemptive.

I think that's a bigger key than anything else: they've got to stop treating hits to the head with kids' gloves. They need to seriously start hammering down on players who deliver illegal hits to the head. You have to get those hits out of the league, and if the player doesn't stop, then get him out of the league.

 

[PatrickShart]

This thread is variable porn. I can hear her vibrator buzzing all the way here.

Battery sales are up!

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

This thread is variable porn. I can hear her vibrator buzzing all the way here.

Battery sales are up!

Oh "dearie me"

 

[HeHateMe]

It entertains more people than it turns away. If you ask any NHL hockey player they will also tell you it gives them some adrenaline (those not involved in the fight).

But what do they know?

That's what I'm talking about. Getting pumped, getting out some stress. If the Players themselves think it's part of the game and actually train for it, why is someone like Variable who suppposedly played talking mad jizz about it?

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

That's what I'm talking about. Getting pumped, getting out some stress. If the Players themselves think it's part of the game and actually train for it, why is someone like Variable who suppposedly played talking mad jizz about it?

If Variable played there was no checking, I'm not 100% sure but there is no checking in womynses hockey.

 

[DMelt36]

Does fighting accomplish what it's intended to do? If not, what's the point in keeping it around?

The answer to your first question is, from everything I've seen and read, no.

Good luck ever getting an answer to your second question.

 

[TCD]

I simply don't know how you eliminate fighting completely from the game wether you like it or not. Not supposed to go sissy slap a pitcher in baseball or slap around your opponent in basketball or do whatever football players do when they are pissed at each other (just not sure what they call that gong show). But it happens. Just can't eliminate spontanious pissed off dudes from going ape shit sometimes. Competition levels are competition levels and some guys and gals just let it out on the field or ice.

The discipline on fighting seems fitting as is right now besides the silly instigator rule. Keep game misconducting these guys I guess if the anti fighting crowd wants that and thinks it will eliminate fighting. I think the anti-fighting crowd has won anyways there isn't really much fighting in the NHL at all anymore so I don't even know why this is still a topic. The one or 2 fights we get every week out of a 100 games says that fighting is already out of the game for the most part.

 

[DMelt36]

I simply don't know how you eliminate fighting completely from the game wether you like it or not. Not supposed to go sissy slap a pitcher in baseball or slap around your opponent in basketball or do whatever football players do when they are pissed at each other (just not sure what they call that gong show). But it happens. Just can't eliminate spontanious pissed off dudes from going ape shit sometimes. Competition levels are competition levels and some guys and gals just let it out on the field or ice.

The discipline on fighting seems fitting as is right now besides the silly instigator rule. Keep game misconducting these guys I guess if the anti fighting crowd wants that and thinks it will eliminate fighting. I think the anti-fighting crowd has won anyways there isn't really much fighting in the NHL at all anymore so I don't even know why this is still a topic. The one or 2 fights we get every week out of a 100 games says that fighting is already out of the game for the most part.

Oh that instigator rule is fucking awful. Agreed on that.

I think you hinted at what I believe will happen with fighting in the NHL: it's going to become an automatic game misconduct. They'll let guys scrap if they really, really want to, but it's the last thing they'll do in that game.

I don't think you'll ever get the fighting out of hockey (or any sport for that matter). You've still got a bunch of freak athletes with an excessive amount of testosterone flying around while they're both fighting for the same victory that only one team gets. Fights are going to happen. I think what you're going to see more and more of is leagues making sure that players who decide to fight are dealt with more and more harshly to cut down on those instances. And like you said, TCD, it's already happening.

I swear I'm still indifferent on fighting in the NHL: I'm far from being in the anti-fighting crowd. I just think some of the long-held beliefs about what fighting does in a hockey game are bullshit. They don't spark a lethargic team. They don't protect star players from being the victim of cheap shots. And they don't serve as a way for players to police themselves. Maybe that was the way in the past, but it's certainly not the case in the present.

 

[Variable]

I just think some of the long-held beliefs about what fighting does in a hockey game are bullshit. They don't spark a lethargic team. They don't protect star players from being the victim of cheap shots. And they don't serve as a way for players to police themselves. Maybe that was the way in the past, but it's certainly not the case in the present.

This is pretty much all I've ever said on it and people go insane whenever I bring it up, so go figure. To think a hockey team or hockey in general "needs" it is a myth.

The only thing I really add on to that is that if you want to see the NHL handle players like Matt Cooke or Rafi Torres better and are better able to curb those players' type of dangerous play on the ice, then they have to ditch the idea that players policing themselves works or is a viable option whatsoever. Which means clamping down and changing how they handle fighting in hockey. It goes hand in hand. You can't change one without changing the other, otherwise you're just half assing it like they have been with the instigator rule. And as was mentioned, and as I've said before on this, that means throwing those players out of the game that start a fight and possible suspensions to them.

 

[TCD]

Guys like Cooke, Torres, Orpik etc are a complete different beasts they shouldnt be wrapped up in the same blanket as other "pesky" players. I don't think you would get many arguments from any fans about getting guys like those out of the game. Most are leaving slowly also anyways. Still left overs from times past..takes time to weed those kind of dicks out it doesn't happen overnight.