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[number51]

And a host like we see could never be made, not by todays technology, AI isn't self aware, controlling the climate (they do this on the Island), would be impossible, etc etc. But hey, lets except that future technology can do all that, yet at the same time be so ignorant to think medicine would not have advanced at the same pace (oh, by the way, did you catch the part were people don't die by disease anymore?

I don't have time to address all of your silliness so I'll go after this particularly bizarre and irrational point you keep trying to make.

William was not in a hospital, he did not see a doctor, he had no access to advanced medical technology. What he did have was a glass of water given to him, water is not a cure for multiple gunshot wounds. He was laying in the dirt, having a sip of water, he was not in surgery having bullets removed from his body and having his wounds stitched.

Please stop talking about all the medical advancements that William had absolutely no access to, it's irrelevant and creepy.

We know for a fact that Hybrid William existed in season 2, stop pretending to know timelines that you obviously do not know.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I don't have time to address all of your silliness so I'll go after this particularly bizarre and irrational point you keep trying to make.

William was not in a hospital, he did not see a doctor, he had no access to advanced medical technology. What he did have was a glass of water given to him, water is not a cure for multiple gunshot wounds. He was laying in the dirt, having a sip of water, he was not in surgery having bullets removed from his body and having his wounds stitched.

Please stop talking about all the medical advancements that William had absolutely no access to, it's irrelevant and creepy.

We know for a fact that Hybrid William existed in season 2, stop pretending to know timelines that you obviously do not know.

First of all, you made the statement that William may have been a hybrid for all of season two, a point in which was proven utterly false. Secondly, the show came to a close, before the final credits scene, making that one particular scene more of a preview for season three, not part of season two.

So, at what point are you claiming that William was a Hybrid? When did it occur? All your pointing at his gunshots most certainly seems to suggest he was a hybrid at that stage, a theory which has been clearly disproved.

Nonsensical ranting about surviving multiple gunshots does nothing to prove your theory he was a hybrid.

You keep rambling on about stupid shit, despite the fact multiple outlets have stated the exact opposite................

You don't have the time to address my points, because you can find nothing to back yours up.

Btw, the other "hybrid" in the park was Charlotte, not the Mib.

 

[number51]

First of all, you made the statement that William may have been a hybrid for all of season two, a point in which was proven utterly false.

There is without a doubt a hybrid version of William in the park in season 2, that is not debatable. One of the big themes of this show is not knowing what time line we are watching, any scene could potentially have been hybrid William.

The point is, we don't know, the writers don't want us to know. Do you think it was an accident they had him survive all those gunshot wounds with no medical care? With their love of time jumps and showing the hybrid getting the test, that is intentional. You think you know things that the writers intentionally left out, I think you're full of crap.

I look forward to S3, hoping it's more like S1 than S2.

 

[nc0gnet0]

The point is, we don't know, the writers don't want us to know. Do you think it was an accident they had him survive all those gunshot wounds with no medical care? With their love of time jumps and showing the hybrid getting the test, that is intentional. You think you know things that the writers intentionally left out, I think you're full of crap.

I look forward to S3, hoping it's more like S1 than S2.

I think your missing the whole point of the William/MIB storyline. Having a host William kill his only daughter, makes absolutely no sense, what-so-ever. William states his whole journey in the park, is to prove he has a choice. This would be in direct contradiction to what AI Logan (who exist in the Forge) states, after figuring out humans aren't that complicated after all, each individual is one algorithm. These algorithms can can categorized into several different sub-sets. The narrative is, that humans don't have a choice, they do what there programming (algorithm) says they will do.

Both John Delos, and William, were determined to have "irredeemable" algorithms. No matter what variable was introduced, Delos, always turned away his son, which lead to Logan's suicide. In the far distant future, Host Logan is suffering the same fate, being stuck in a continuous loop where every outcome leads to him shooting his daughter (Williams daughter claims he has ran through the same loop over a million times). It was foreshadowed by Akecheta, in an earlier episode, who told a barely alive and very human William, that death was an escape from this evil world, and William didn't deserve that escape.

None of this makes any sense, unless a real (human) William, killed his own daughter the first time, and it is the first time that we witnessed. Again, one of the show runners stated this was the case.

show·run·ner


noun: show-runner

the person who has overall creative authority and management responsibility for a television program.
"the vision of the show as a whole does not come from the freelance or even the staff writer, but from the showrunner"

Stop fixating on one minor point of the show, and try to understand what is going on. You have a beef about the believability of William being able to survive that many gunshots, yet are ignoring multiple instances where a Host/hybrid William just wouldn't work, he had to be human.

 

[number51]

I think your missing the whole point of the William/MIB storyline. Having a host William kill his only daughter, makes absolutely no sense, what-so-ever. William states his whole journey in the park, is to prove he has a choice. This would be in direct contradiction to what AI Logan (who exist in the Forge) states, after figuring out humans aren't that complicated after all, each individual is one algorithm. These algorithms can can categorized into several different sub-sets. The narrative is, that humans don't have a choice, they do what there programming (algorithm) says they will do.

Both John Delos, and William, were determined to have "irredeemable" algorithms. No matter what variable was introduced, Delos, always turned away his son, which lead to Logan's suicide. In the far distant future, Host Logan is suffering the same fate, being stuck in a continuous loop where every outcome leads to him shooting his daughter (Williams daughter claims he has ran through the same loop over a million times). It was foreshadowed by Akecheta, in an earlier episode, who told a barely alive and very human William, that death was an escape from this evil world, and William didn't deserve that escape.

None of this makes any sense, unless a real (human) William, killed his own daughter the first time, and it is the first time that we witnessed. Again, one of the show runners stated this was the case.

show·run·ner


noun: show-runner

the person who has overall creative authority and management responsibility for a television program.
"the vision of the show as a whole does not come from the freelance or even the staff writer, but from the showrunner"

Stop fixating on one minor point of the show, and try to understand what is going on. You have a beef about the believability of William being able to survive that many gunshots, yet are ignoring multiple instances where a Host/hybrid William just wouldn't work, he had to be human.

TL;DR

Yup, human William survived the gunshots. Then they gave human William the fidelity test, after the 'real' not human William killed his daughter, something.... yadda yadda or whatever.

I give up, you are right, the writers did not want you to know things, but the show·run·ner sent you all the answers. You are special, unique, you possess information no one else does.

They kept all the fans in the dark intentionally, well all the fans except for you. You are special, short buss special.

 

[nc0gnet0]

TL;DR

Yup, human William survived the gunshots. Then they gave human William the fidelity test, after the 'real' not human William killed his daughter, something.... yadda yadda or whatever.

I give up, you are right, the writers did not want you to know things, but the show·run·ner sent you all the answers. You are special, unique, you possess information no one else does.

They kept all the fans in the dark intentionally, well all the fans except for you. You are special, short buss special.

Spare me the Tl;DR crap, at this point I am amazed you can read at all........

Furthermore, your not even smart enough to qualify for the short bus, instead they let you sit at home and lick the lead paint off the windows. You got nothing, period. Over and over and over, Human William could not survive the gunshots, yada yada yada. Nothing else, at all. Doesn't matter to you that what you are fixated on fails to match the narrative, and that it would make zero sense in the over-all plot. Your like a two year old that can't stop looking at the cute little mobile dangling over his crib, oblivious to the rest of the world around him

Newsflash dumbass, the show's producers stated what I said to be true, in several very public interviews.



[video=youtube;bGMPxdEzKog]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMPxdEzKog[/video]



The real question you should be asking, is why did William suffer as much damage as he did? The Westworld guns are programmed not to kill humans.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a20268205/westworld-guns-explained/

In the attack on the Mesa, the host are using guns they had stolen from security, not the theme/prop guns you see being used when William is shot.

 

[number51]

At the end of season one Ford reprogrammed the system to read guests as hosts. Hosts have been killing humans with their own weapons for 11 episodes now, so that's not a question. I know you want another multi-page argument about the guns, I don't, so have fun.


Okay you have a theory on William that includes advanced medical treatment that was never shown on screen for some reason. I have a theory, that William never received advanced medical treatment, just a sip of water, because that's what everyone saw. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Ares]

Oh please, now your grasping at straws.

Co-showrunner Lisa Joy clarified the events of the finale's post-credits scene in a number of interviews - reiterating that the real William did indeed kill his real daughter, and then, unable to reckon with what he'd done, began digging in his arm to try and find a port as a way to excuse his heinous actions. "He’s digging into his own skin for answers and doesn’t find any wires by the time Dolores arrives," she told Deadline. "By the end of this timeline, he’s being shipped out into the real world. He did kill his own daughter, he’s in the prison of his own skin, locked in his own confusion and guilt."

It's plain as day to anyone that can understand context. If your going to say "real William" can be a hybrid, then his daughter could have been one as well (real daughter). It took Bernard all of about 15 seconds to find wires when he dug into his skin. Face it, William was completely human, right until the end credits.

Grasping at straws, LMAO. The show runner also said real daughter, guess she was a hybrid too, because, well, she didn't say HUMAN daughter. get out of here with that nonsense.



And a host like we see could never be made, not by todays technology, AI isn't self aware, controlling the climate (they do this on the Island), would be impossible, etc etc. But hey, lets except that future technology can do all that, yet at the same time be so ignorant to think medicine would not have advanced at the same pace (oh, by the way, did you catch the part were people don't die by disease anymore?

Grasping at straws, LMAO. The show runner also said real daughter, guess she was a hybrid too, because, well, she didn't say HUMAN daughter. get out of here with that nonsense.



And a host like we see could never be made, not by todays technology, AI isn't self aware, controlling the climate (they do this on the Island), would be impossible, etc etc. But hey, lets except that future technology can do all that, yet at the same time be so ignorant to think medicine would not have advanced at the same pace (oh, by the way, did you catch the part were people don't die by disease anymore?

he was given a fidelity test after the season ended, in the final credits. Learn math.



This is not hybrid William, your refusal to accept it, even when one of the show-runners specifically state he is not, is blind ignorance.



Desperate attempt to salvage some dignity when you have been destroyed, nice try.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06...st-man-in-black-post-credits-ending-explained

So the Man in Black hasn't been a host all season long, as some fans have speculated (despite his questionable ability to survive multiple gunshot wounds).

Instead, when William wakes up alone and injured outside the Forge, the timeline has shifted to the future, which we don't realize until the post-credits scene - meaning that despite some camera and soundtrack trickery when William is taking the elevator down, there was never any possibility of him coinciding with Bernard on the way up.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/westworld/274489/westworld-season-2-finale-is-the-man-in-black-a-host

The finale was so revelatory and confusing in fact that now there seems to be a question regarding something that viewers had long etched into stone: the nature of the Man In Black’s identity. Ed Harris’ William a.k.a. The Man In Black was an early contender for “secret robot” back in season one. It was understandable why: he operates within the park with cruel, machine-like efficiency. As far as the innocent hosts are concerned, he may as well be a Terminator.

Then the show revealed once and for all that not only was William a human being, he was the actual owner of the park. Since then, William’s status has never been in doubt…until now, thanks to a mysterious post-credits sequence in the finale.

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So what gives? Is The Man In Black a secret robot after all?

The answer remains a definitive no…but also in the distant future kinda maybe. Let me explain. First, it may help to check out our breakdown of the inscrutable post-credits scene. If your link-clicking finger is too tired, here is a helpful TL;DR.

The post-credits scene takes place in the very distant future. The hosts, represented by William’s deceased daughter Emily, are testing William for “fidelity” just like William once tested the data ghost of his father-in-law for fidelity. The scene occurs so far in the future that Ed Harris confirmed to USA Today that the “original” Man In Black is in fact dead. As you know, however, dead men have this habit of not walking around in the flesh. So who is this William? Is he a host?


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As for everything that happens before that in the finale – and everything that happens to William in season one and two entirely? Forget it. There’s no host there. He’s all human and always has been. In fact, since the system in The Forge singles him out as “irredeemable,” he may have been the “most human” human on the show.

Just give up already, your making a fool of yourself.

First of all, you made the statement that William may have been a hybrid for all of season two, a point in which was proven utterly false. Secondly, the show came to a close, before the final credits scene, making that one particular scene more of a preview for season three, not part of season two.

So, at what point are you claiming that William was a Hybrid? When did it occur? All your pointing at his gunshots most certainly seems to suggest he was a hybrid at that stage, a theory which has been clearly disproved.

Nonsensical ranting about surviving multiple gunshots does nothing to prove your theory he was a hybrid.

You keep rambling on about stupid shit, despite the fact multiple outlets have stated the exact opposite................

You don't have the time to address my points, because you can find nothing to back yours up.

Btw, the other "hybrid" in the park was Charlotte, not the Mib.

I think your missing the whole point of the William/MIB storyline. Having a host William kill his only daughter, makes absolutely no sense, what-so-ever. William states his whole journey in the park, is to prove he has a choice. This would be in direct contradiction to what AI Logan (who exist in the Forge) states, after figuring out humans aren't that complicated after all, each individual is one algorithm. These algorithms can can categorized into several different sub-sets. The narrative is, that humans don't have a choice, they do what there programming (algorithm) says they will do.

Both John Delos, and William, were determined to have "irredeemable" algorithms. No matter what variable was introduced, Delos, always turned away his son, which lead to Logan's suicide. In the far distant future, Host Logan is suffering the same fate, being stuck in a continuous loop where every outcome leads to him shooting his daughter (Williams daughter claims he has ran through the same loop over a million times). It was foreshadowed by Akecheta, in an earlier episode, who told a barely alive and very human William, that death was an escape from this evil world, and William didn't deserve that escape.

None of this makes any sense, unless a real (human) William, killed his own daughter the first time, and it is the first time that we witnessed. Again, one of the show runners stated this was the case.

show·run·ner


noun: show-runner

the person who has overall creative authority and management responsibility for a television program.
"the vision of the show as a whole does not come from the freelance or even the staff writer, but from the showrunner"

Stop fixating on one minor point of the show, and try to understand what is going on. You have a beef about the believability of William being able to survive that many gunshots, yet are ignoring multiple instances where a Host/hybrid William just wouldn't work, he had to be human.

Spare me the Tl;DR crap, at this point I am amazed you can read at all........

Furthermore, your not even smart enough to qualify for the short bus, instead they let you sit at home and lick the lead paint off the windows. You got nothing, period. Over and over and over, Human William could not survive the gunshots, yada yada yada. Nothing else, at all. Doesn't matter to you that what you are fixated on fails to match the narrative, and that it would make zero sense in the over-all plot. Your like a two year old that can't stop looking at the cute little mobile dangling over his crib, oblivious to the rest of the world around him

Newsflash dumbass, the show's producers stated what I said to be true, in several very public interviews.



[video=youtube;bGMPxdEzKog]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMPxdEzKog[/video]



The real question you should be asking, is why did William suffer as much damage as he did? The Westworld guns are programmed not to kill humans.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a20268205/westworld-guns-explained/

In the attack on the Mesa, the host are using guns they had stolen from security, not the theme/prop guns you see being used when William is shot.

TL;DR

Seriously... lol you are going way overboard arguing about Westworld.

A pair of dudes you know on the internet don't agree with you about a part of a fictional TV show.

It's gonna be ok.

 

[Tjodalv]

TL;DR

Seriously... lol you are going way overboard arguing about Westworld.

A pair of dudes you know on the internet don't agree with you about a part of a fictional TV show.

It's gonna be ok.

No, it's not fucking ok. **** you for thinking this isn't paramount to the survival of the human race. If you'd just accept the reality of Westworld perhaps you wouldn't be so fat and ginger. Yeah, **** you, fat ginger dude!

 

[Ares]

No, it's not fucking ok. **** you for thinking this isn't paramount to the survival of the human race. If you'd just accept the reality of Westworld perhaps you wouldn't be so fat and ginger. Yeah, **** you, fat ginger dude!

:andruw:

 

[nc0gnet0]

At the end of season one Ford reprogrammed the system to read guests as hosts. Hosts have been killing humans with their own weapons for 11 episodes now, so that's not a question. I know you want another multi-page argument about the guns, I don't, so have fun.


Okay you have a theory on William that includes advanced medical treatment that was never shown on screen for some reason. I have a theory, that William never received advanced medical treatment, just a sip of water, because that's what everyone saw. Let's leave it at that.

[video=youtube_share;6YrQdNIOP0M]https://youtu.be/6YrQdNIOP0M[/video]

Enjoy, LMAO.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Stubbs a host?

[video=youtube_share;IR2Rzm-Douo]https://youtu.be/IR2Rzm-Douo[/video]

 

[nc0gnet0]

[video=youtube_share;qahUDXSeFwo]https://youtu.be/qahUDXSeFwo[/video]

 

[number51]

Enjoy, LMAO.

I didn't see any mention of William receiving advanced medical treatment, you gonna stick with that theory?

 

[nc0gnet0]

I didn't see any mention of William receiving advanced medical treatment, you gonna stick with that theory?

I seen a whole lot of William was human, which has been the main argument all along.......

 

[Tjodalv]

Glad that you shared your thoughts...

 

[number51]

I seen a whole lot of William was human, which has been the main argument all along.......

I said if he's not a hybrid that is a giant plot flaw, surviving multiple gun shots because of a glass of water.

You said it was not a plot flaw because of advanced medical techniques.

No advanced medical techniques were used, so it was a giant plot flaw. That's a shame a great show like this screws up so badly.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I said if he's not a hybrid that is a giant plot flaw, surviving multiple gun shots because of a glass of water.

You said it was not a plot flaw because of advanced medical techniques.

No advanced medical techniques were used, so it was a giant plot flaw. That's a shame a great show like this screws up so badly.

From June 4th:



Just stop, he's a bot.

No, you said he was a bot. Now that you were proven wrong you want to back peddle.

 

[Warden of the Northeast]

I gave up.

 

[ruprecht]

I gave up.

On the show or this ongoing disagreement