Aramis Ramirez: All star?

[FirstTimer]

He was threatening to leave in the chatbox because I was bringing up that Lou Pinella and Quade replace Soriano in late inning close games for defense, but yet he shouldnt be replaced if he is a good defender, since CO and Poodski claim he is good in LF. And than I started calling him names like I usually do with him and CO, and he got mad. I can understand when I call someone a Special person, that may be a bit much, but he was getting mad because I was calling him a homer....thats just being sensitive.

Hahahaha wow.

Let him leave and go back to PSD.


Those two guys are fucking jokes.

 

[DewsSox79]

Here are your correlations of your "stats"

WAR	0.8382544
K/9	0.236940929
BB/9	-0.493625454
HR/9	-0.421182345
GB%	0.294697223
ERA	-0.568629771
H	0.014741898
HR	0.510057082
R	0.438013505
RBI	0.47003233
SB	-0.045803508
AVG	0.068934536
OBP	0.345937343
SLG	0.41084309
OPS	0.403938214

One seems to be quite a bit better. Could just be me though.

:rofl:
only if it was real. too funny.

 

[poodski]

He was threatening to leave in the chatbox because I was bringing up that Lou Pinella and Quade replace Soriano in late inning close games for defense

Wrong only time I threatened to leave was when FT was trolling and flaming me.

but yet he shouldnt be replaced if he is a good defender,since CO and Poodski claim he is good in LF.

Average. Not good.

And than I started calling him names like I usually do with him and CO, and he got mad.

Well it was against the rules.

I can understand when I call someone a Special person, that may be a bit much, but he was getting mad because I was calling him a homer....thats just being sensitive.

Homer doesnt bother me. idiot, Special person, moron got a little old though.

Because you have no argument just only call names. Much like your boy FT. Neither of you bring anyhting to the table but strawman arguments.

Just for once PROVE something you say. That's all I have ever wanted.

 

[poodski]

:rofl:
only if it was real. too funny.

Yet somehow it correlated better? That can't be right can it?

 

[Rush]

If this turns into "you're a fucking idiot/moron/joke" I am closing the thread.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

wasnt this about aramis ramirez or something?

but my god...cant believe he was even considered for the all star game

tells you how putrid the nl 3rd baseman situation is

(he declined tho right? something about vacation...)

 

[FirstTimer]

Wrong only time I threatened to leave was when FT was trolling and flaming me.

Sensitive....

Because you have no argument just only call names. Much like your boy FT. Neither of you bring anyhting to the table but strawman arguments.

LOL at this. You blocked me because I was lighting you and CO up in the Soriano thread about him being a Top 10 player. You got butthurt, took your ball, and went home. On top of that your insistence on WAR being "one stat" is absurd in one area because it's actually a collaborative stat. If I can combine stats I could combine HR and RBI's alone or OPS AVG and get a higher correlation than WAR based on the chart you showed.

Painting WAR as "one stat" is at best misleading and at worst downright naive since it takes in account numerous stats and then a defensive metric.



Trying to take a non-standardized and highly hypothetical stat like WAR and use it as the standard to evaluate a player by is both illogical and absurd.

Quit trying to act the victim here. It's pathetic.

 

[poodski]

wasnt this about aramis ramirez or something?

but my god...cant believe he was even considered for the all star game

tells you how putrid the nl 3rd baseman situation is

(he declined tho right? something about vacation...)

Yeah he already ha a trip to the DR.

But seriously wOBA does not value walks and home runs the same.

I hope you know that.

 

[Rice Cube]

wOBA, according to Tango:

wOBA - Weighted On Base Average

It's basically OPS with better weights for each on-base outcome. A homer is weighted approximately three times more important than a non-intentional walk, and IBBs are taken out of the equation because they're not considered a "skill"...I like wOBA a lot better than OPS.

 

[X]

wow.

 

[R_Mac_1]

wasnt this about aramis ramirez or something?

but my god...cant believe he was even considered for the all star game

tells you how putrid the nl 3rd baseman situation is

(he declined tho right? something about vacation...)

It doesn't surprise me :shrug:

If you would have made the case for him a month ago, of course it would have been ridiculous. But over the past few weeks, he has been basically the best hitter in all of baseball at any position. So, it doesn't surprise me that he didn't get voted into the game, because he has been hot only lately. But, it also doesn't surprise me that he was asked to play as a replacement, not only because of the 3B situation, but because the guy has been playing lights out lately.

As for him not being classy for turning down the game (I think Dewsox said it), that's such BS. The guy was asked at the last minute to play, and turned it down to take a trip he had planned for that very evening. Also, the Cubs have played like 18 games in the last 17 days. I'd look forward to a nice 3 day rest with my family too. He doesn't owe anyone anything, especially because he wasn't even originally chosen for the game.

 

[Captain Obvious]

It seems like dewssox79 is really hung up on this whole real, not real thong. My question is who cares if it is real or not? It correlates to wins. If the number of hairs on a SP's balls correlated to the number of wins better than ERA, does that mean we shouldn't count his ball hair? Who cares whether or not it is real? It correlates to wins. Baseball is about wins, right?

 

[poodski]

wOBA, according to Tango:

wOBA - Weighted On Base Average

It's basically OPS with better weights for each on-base outcome. A homer is weighted approximately three times more important than a non-intentional walk, and IBBs are taken out of the equation because they're not considered a "skill"...I like wOBA a lot better than OPS.

Run value per PA above average = (wOBA for player - wOBA for league) / 1.15

That is why wOBA is so much better than the other stats like OPS. I dont think wOBA really correlates any better to wins than OPS, but its so much easier to see how much better one player is compared to another.

Also SABR 201: Linear Weights by the 24 base/out states, 1999-2002 is where the numbers for the wOBA equation come from.

 

[dabynsky]

It seems like dewssox79 is really hung up on this whole real, not real thong. My question is who cares if it is real or not? It correlates to wins. If the number of hairs on a SP's balls correlated to the number of wins better than ERA, does that mean we shouldn't count his ball hair? Who cares whether or not it is real? It correlates to wins. Baseball is about wins, right?

I also am hung up on this whole real, not real thong...

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

I like real thongs

 

[Rice Cube]

At the end of the season when you make comparisons after all the data is in, given the fact that WAR is based on what really happened and what the player contributed individually, you can make the argument that WAR has a basis in reality as a counting stat for that entire season.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

how is a stat not real if it exists:thinking:

 

[Rice Cube]

how is a stat not real if it exists:thinking:

The argument lies in whether it tells you what you really want to know. That's why statsy folk prefer statistics that dissect out the components that are truly within one's control rather than the ones that are team context based. That helps you evaluate the player's individual talent.

 

[poodski]

The argument lies in whether it tells you what you really want to know. That's why statsy folk prefer statistics that dissect out the components that are truly within one's control rather than the ones that are team context based. That helps you evaluate the player's individual talent.

The argument lies in that it doesn't perfectly tell you what you want to know.

Stats like batting average and slugging do exactly what they say. WAR (nor any non win probability advanced stat) is not going to give you a correlation of 1 and therefore according to some people should not be used.

Sequencing has a lot to do with how things work out, and the more people understand that the better off we will be.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The argument lies in whether it tells you what you really want to know. That's why statsy folk prefer statistics that dissect out the components that are truly within one's control rather than the ones that are team context based. That helps you evaluate the player's individual talent.

duh...lol that's why WAR and other sabermetrics are preferred over stuff like ERA and other simplistic stats that do not take into account interference by the team and dilutes the stat to where it doesnt match the actually player value...but that doesnt mean WAR is 100% correlated to a player's value or say FIP to a pitchers value..the best thing to do is take say 5-10 stats(like OPS,BA,WAR,Bases,Runs,OBP,etc.)and see how they match up and find some kind of ranking medium...you can say that WAR kind of does that but i still dont like citing WAR individually