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[Chief Walking Stick]

Did the goalie miss his check on the left wing lock lol?

Capt. Serious is just a fucking Special person, that's it.

 

[Popinski Soda]

Capt. Serious is just a fucking Special person, that's it.

We're all just trying to find our place in God's kingdom. Capt. Serious isn't the enemy.

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Brown people are...

 

[ClydeLee]

Idk, Vodka Drunkenski looks kinda brown

 

[Popinski Soda]

Idk, Vodka Drunkenski looks kinda brown

He does? :thinking:

 

[LordKOTL]

Am I the only one who sees this and thinks Hextall missed Chelios by a country mile?

 

[HawkWriter]

Lmao, I wouldn't give up a first rounder for David Perron if you had a gun to my head, especially since he hasn't played a full season since 2010,

We also already have Saad, Sharp and Bickell on LW, so adding Perron wouldn't benefit us. Plus, unless you are getting a elite caliber player, you're better off holding onto your 1st rounder in today's NHL and trying to develop from within.


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Don't believe he was saying that the Blackhawks should have done that trade. They didn't have the need or the cap space available.

I think it was a pretty smart trade by the Penguins. People overvalue first round picks, especially ones later in the round. Sure you can find some gems but there are probably more misses at that point than anything. Not to mention that you will likely have to develop that player for 2 years before there is even a chance that they will be ready - once again, there are guys that go against that but I would say that is the norm. Perron is a known commodity and has a manageable cap hit for this year and the next.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Can I just say how much I have been thoroughly enjoying the Hawks forum since the new guys have come over?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Can I just say how much I have been thoroughly enjoying the Hawks forum since the new guys have come over?

We like you guys too.

Except for a couple people.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Nice picture bra, whats the weather supposed to be like tomorrow?

Boy, you're just another tool on this board.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Boy, you're just another tool on this board.

You up for lunch? My treat.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Boy, you're just another tool on this board.

Why are you always looking for a fight, dawg?

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Don't believe he was saying that the Blackhawks should have done that trade. They didn't have the need or the cap space available.

I think it was a pretty smart trade by the Penguins. People overvalue first round picks, especially ones later in the round. Sure you can find some gems but there are probably more misses at that point than anything. Not to mention that you will likely have to develop that player for 2 years before there is even a chance that they will be ready - once again, there are guys that go against that but I would say that is the norm. Perron is a known commodity and has a manageable cap hit for this year and the next.

I disagree, I think 1st round picks are undervalued, especially with todays salary cap. While yes, the lower the pick the tougher it is to find a future NHL player, you still need to try and get that hit. With this years draft being considered one of the deepest and most talent in a long time, I wouldn't have risked it, especially for a team like the Pens who have some depth issues. Plus, Perron is one head shot away from calling it a career.

Just my opinion though.


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That's why they made the trade though, depth issues. The trade addresses that issue immediately for at least this season and the next. They're not Edmonton, they're trying to win right now. Been working out for them so far, 13 points in 17 games. Horrible trade for the Oilers though. Should've be after one of Pitt's d-men prospects.

 

[ClydeLee]

But a big reason the Pens have depth issues if their former moves of this exact nature. Trading for guys like Iginla, Murray, Neal, or some others. They've often given up young players or 1st/2nd round picks to make moves. Though they have taken some of the ones they kept and made them guys with potential already in their lineup like Maata or Beau Bennett. Maybe they think lately they've gotten enough guys but their haven't made the best moves making these type of trades.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

But a big reason the Pens have depth issues if their former moves of this exact nature. Trading for guys like Iginla, Murray, Neal, or some others. They've often given up young players or 1st/2nd round picks to make moves. Though they have taken some of the ones they kept and made them guys with potential already in their lineup like Maata or Beau Bennett. Maybe they think lately they've gotten enough guys but their haven't made the best moves making these type of trades.

Exactly. Keep that first rounder and gamble with that. Especially when the Pens don't lack top talent, but 3rd and 4th liners who come cheaper if they are younger or on elc contracts.


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[HawkWriter]

Exactly. Keep that first rounder and gamble with that. Especially when the Pens don't lack top talent, but 3rd and 4th liners who come cheaper if they are younger or on elc contracts.


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Guys on an ELC are definitely worth their weight in gold, especially with the salary cap. However, if you are shooting for 3rd/4th liners that are cheap with your first round pick - then something is wrong. Sure, some of those guys end up there but that is what the rest of the draft and the lower rounds are for. Trading away a first rounder isn't going to hurt your depth necessarily.

For me...I'll take a proven guy over a gamble any day. A lot of the Penguins problems have been giving up prospects/picks for a rental guy. Perron isn't a rental.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Guys on an ELC are definitely worth their weight in gold, especially with the salary cap. However, if you are shooting for 3rd/4th liners that are cheap with your first round pick - then something is wrong. Sure, some of those guys end up there but that is what the rest of the draft and the lower rounds are for. Trading away a first rounder isn't going to hurt your depth necessarily.

For me...I'll take a proven guy over a gamble any day. A lot of the Penguins problems have been giving up prospects/picks for a rental guy. Perron isn't a rental.

On a team such as Pittsburgh that is doing pretty well on the top 2 lines, those 1st rounders will be working their way up the line up. Plus, they've given up quite a few first rounders the past couple years so that hurts them in the long run.

While Perron isn't a rental, nothing about his history screams worthy of a 1st round pick.


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[Shantz My Pants]

I mean, the Pens wouldn't want a guy like Morgan Klimchuk, Adam Erne or Ryan Hartman in their lineup right now? Or maybe Derek Stepan, Luke Adam, Jimmy Hayes.


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[Shantz My Pants]

I guess in my opinion, I value 1st round picks more than others. There is a reason you typically don't see some of the best teams in the league trade their 1st rounders. Hell, the Kings got Gaborik at the deadline and gave up a 2nd, 3rd rounder and Matt Frattin. The premium of that pick should be reserved for the upper echelon type player such as when Kovalchuk was traded to NJ. David Perron? Blah.


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Different time, different situation that the Pens are in. They've actually needed help on the top lines with more scoring this season. Neal is a reckless asshole, but he was also capable of scoring 30 or maybe even 40 goals a year. Needed something to help fill that void. Perron was it. Again, they needed something right now, they're trying to win right now.

Their mistakes in their big splash deals and trades in years past for guys like Iginla was that, at that time, that didn't address their problems. They needed defensive help back then, not more forwards and scoring depth. Well now, they've got that defensive help through draft picks they've made in Despres, Maatta and soon to be with Pouliot. They actually did need top 6 and more scoring help this time around and they went out and got it.