Astros To The AL West

[brett05]

I would also argue that NL pitchers are better bunters and baserunners than the AL counterparts

 

[Jntg4]

Again let's look at this logically. The NL team gains an advantage as they get to use a real hitter and not a pitcher in AL parks. The AL loses when it goes to NL parks as it loses a top 2-3 hitter replaced with an auto out pitcher

You don't have free subbing as you are suggesting because the fielders are paid to hit and field and they practice both so you deal with a weakness.

Because NL Bench Players are so good at hitting

 

[brett05]

Because NL Bench Players are so good at hitting

Compared to pitchers? Yeah like loads

 

[Jntg4]

Compared to pitchers? Yeah like loads

Look,
NL Bench Player plays when AL DH plays. HUGE advantage AL.
NL Pitcher Bats when AL Pitcher Bats. BOTH suck.

 

[brett05]

Look,
NL Bench Player plays when AL DH plays. HUGE advantage AL.
NL Pitcher Bats when AL Pitcher Bats. BOTH suck.

You also have missed the point. When the AL team plays in the NL park the team is penalized. When the NL team plays in the AL park they get an advantage.

You have to compare what they have normally vs what they have in IL play

 

[Jntg4]

You also have missed the point. When the AL team plays in the NL park the team is penalized. When the NL team plays in the AL park they get an advantage.

You have to compare what they have normally vs what they have in IL play

They get an advantage over what they normally have, but that is still less than what the AL club gets normally...

 

[nickofypres]

Al has to lose its DH in NL parks. I don't see how the NL is at a disadvantage.

 

[brett05]

They get an advantage over what they normally have, but that is still less than what the AL club gets normally...

Glad you agree. The AL team gets nothing and only loses.

True fairness would be each team plays with it's league rules regardless of parks. That is logically fair and removes the bias the NL always has currently. I'm not sure if the AL team can get a competitive advantage

The other answer is to remove the dh/batting pitchers altogether

 

[Jntg4]

Al has to lose its DH in NL parks. I don't see how the NL is at a disadvantage.

The AL has a pitcher, so does the NL, both suck, so they have even resources. The NL doesn't have a DH to begin with, so the AL losing their's evens the playing field. But at AL fields, the AL keeps its DH while the NL has to use a bench player, which while it may be an upgrade over a pitcher, still is less than the AL has normally.

 

[Crystallas]

What? No reactions to a BCS-style system? I was dead serious when I posted that idea.

 

[nickofypres]

The AL has a pitcher, so does the NL, both suck, so they have even resources. The NL doesn't have a DH to begin with, so the AL losing their's evens the playing field. But at AL fields, the AL keeps its DH while the NL has to use a bench player, which while it may be an upgrade over a pitcher, still is less than the AL has normally.

Yeah, I get that, but the the DH is a big part of an American League offense. AL teams that have to go the NL lose one of their power bats. That is a lot worse than "well the NL has to use a bench player as a DH".

 

[Jntg4]

Glad you agree. The AL team gets nothing and only loses.

True fairness would be each team plays with it's league rules regardless of parks. That is logically fair and removes the bias the NL always has currently. I'm not sure if the AL team can get a competitive advantage

The other answer is to remove the dh/batting pitchers altogether

No, because the AL having the DH in the first place is an advantage, they lose it to level the playing field at NL fields. The NL getting to bat a bench player doesn't even the playing field at AL fields where the AL gets a real DH though.

But it doesn't matter because all NL teams have to deal with the same problem, so the NL standings even out between its clubs.

 

[nickofypres]

No, because the AL having the DH in the first place is an advantage, they lose it to level the playing field at NL fields. The NL getting to bat a bench player doesn't even the playing field at AL fields where the AL gets a real DH though.

But it doesn't matter because all NL teams have to deal with the same problem, so the NL standings even out between its clubs.

Its a "disadvantage" they do to themselves. Why punish the AL team because the NL won't add the DH.

 

[brett05]

The AL has a pitcher, so does the NL, both suck, so they have even resources.

Wrong. The NL pitcher is a superior non fielder with hitting, bunting, and base running

 

[Jntg4]

Wrong. The NL pitcher is a superior non fielder with hitting, bunting, and base running

Still not the same as the difference between a bench player whose fielding assets are taken away and a DH.

 

[Rice Cube]

Still not the same as the difference between a bench player whose fielding assets are taken away and a DH.

If the NL manager weren't Special person he'd move one of his sluggers to the DH spot and use the better fielding guy in the field.

If all things were equal you guys would have a point about the AL losing their crutch, but things aren't equal. That's why the AL dominates interleague no matter which park they are in.

 

[brett05]

The AL team loses a 10-20% payroll guy in the NL. The NL loses nothing.

The only thing that you NL guys keep saying is that the AL is better than the NL and that this is the only way to give the NL a shot

 

[brett05]

Still not the same as the difference between a bench player whose fielding assets are taken away and a DH.

I never said it was and you continually completely miss the point

 

[Jntg4]

NL is disadvantaged at AL fields no matter how you look at it.

Micah Hoffpauir (IK he's in Japan now) or Adam Dunn (when he doesn't suck)

Hmmm... tough choice :thinking:

And the AL only added a DH because nobody went to their games and the NL teams were more popular. NL doesn't need to do it, so it isn't them refusing.

 

[nickofypres]

Another point is that when the AL loses its DH during the process of "leveling the field!!!!1", NL hitters hit a lot better than AL hitters.