Astros To The AL West

[Jntg4]

I never said it was and you continually completely miss the point

Both are disadvantaged at the other league's field, but the NL's disadvantage is greater than the AL's.

 

[nickofypres]

NL is disadvantaged at AL fields no matter how you look at it.

Both are disadvantaged at the other league's field, but the NL's disadvantage is greater than the AL's.

:andruw:


Alright. You obviously won't listen to reason, and are determined to stick with that incredibly stupid opinion. I'm done trying.

I mean, we only lose our fucking DH and you guys get an extra bat. But yeah, the NL totally gets fucked over more.

Nevermind that NL teams already know how to play without a DH so they stay status quo and get to add another bat.

 

[brett05]

Both are disadvantaged at the other league's field, but the NL's disadvantage is greater than the AL's.

I've told you what the AL team loses and you NL supporters agree. What is it that the NL "team" loses?

 

[nickofypres]

I've told you what the AL team loses and you NL supporters agree. What is it that the NL "team" loses?

Don't you get it? I mean, they get too replace a pitcher in the line-up with a real hitter. I JUST FEEL SO BAD FOR THE NL.

 

[Jntg4]

Don't you get it? I mean, they get too replace a pitcher in the line-up with a real hitter. I JUST FEEL SO BAD FOR THE NL.

We get a subpar hitter who is only marginally better than our pitcher when you get an extra HUGE power bat... just because we are gaining something and you aren't, you still have more than we have in these games.

You always have the DH unless at an NL field. When you lose it, we gain nothing. But when we gain a DH, our DH is a bench player and is more than overrided by your real DH.

Just because we gain a bat and you lose one, these are at separate times.
I'll take C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, DH, over a team that has C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, random bench player anytime.

You still have an extra bat. It may be normal for you guys, but when playing an NL team, it is extra and something we can't counter.

 

[brett05]

So the NL loses nothing. Thanks.

You want to compare strengths of dh. That isn't the argument. That isn't the debate

 

[Jntg4]

So the NL loses nothing. Thanks.

You want to compare strengths of dh. That isn't the argument. That isn't the debate

No, it is who has the advantage.

The power of the lineups facing each other is the advantage.

It is advantage for the game in question, not gain or loss relative to what they normally have.

 

[Jntg4]

I'd also like to point out that to have the basrunning advantage, the NL pitcher actually has to get on base to use it... and that rarely happens.

 

[nickofypres]

We get a subpar hitter who is only marginally better than our pitcher when you get an extra HUGE power bat... just because we are gaining something and you aren't, you still have more than we have in these games.

Please. Its not like everyone on every NL bench is Miguel Cairo. They're are a lot of bench players that are power threats. Jim Thome is on the Phillies' bench. Is Jim Thome just marginally better than a pitcher as a hitter? I don't think so...

You always have the DH unless at an NL field. When you lose it, we gain nothing. But when we gain a DH, our DH is a bench player and is more than overrided by your real DH.

That is not the fucking point. We have to downgrade. That DH we lose may of been the guy that hits the go ahead HR in the 9th. Or the DH we lose might have had a huge day at the plate. And we lose that. We lose a huge bat. I don't see how you can even defend your POV anymore.

You still have an extra bat. It may be normal for you guys, but when playing an NL team, it is extra and something we can't counter.

How is it an "extra something" at an NL park when the most we can do with him in pinch hit for him once?

Not to mention NL pitchers bat a lot better than AL pitchers.

 

[brett05]

So far all we have learned is that Cub fans/NL League fans think the AL is superior to the NL and need the rule changes in attempts to be competitive.

 

[Jntg4]

You guys downgrade but it levels the playing field because we don't have that DH. You downgrading makes the teams equal strength because we play without that position.

 

[dabynsky]

I think you guys are missing the point that I have tried to raise. It isn't about who has the advantage in all interleague play. I've only discussed the situation when the NL teams come to an AL park. The NL team is at a disadvantage because they don't carry 9 regular position players. If you want to ignore that fact, I guess that is your right, but it remains that AL teams have an advantage over NL teams in their home park.

Now if you want to debate who has a bigger advantage, I might concede that the difference is more in favor of the NL than the AL, but the fact remains that NL teams are at a disadvantage when they come to AL parks.

 

[Rice Cube]

Yeah, the NL can't just leave 600 PA on the bench. Pinch hitters are better than the pitcher, but they're definitely not AL DH material.

I'm sure if someone less lazy than myself went to Google they could find all kinds of numbers showing how much actual "advantage" is conferred to each league during interleague play.

 

[nickofypres]

Whatever. Apparently that's your guys story and you're sticking with it.

 

[brett05]

You guys downgrade but it levels the playing field because we don't have that DH. You downgrading makes the teams equal strength because we play without that position.

You are crying a lot in this thread.

 

[dabynsky]

Whatever. Apparently that's your guys story and you're sticking with it.

Tell me how the AL doesn't have an advantage? You tell me that the AL is at such a disadvantage because they are losing their big time bat (DH) when they come to NL parks. The NL gets to add a crappy bench bat to their lineup to match up with that middle of the order hitter. How is that not an advantage in their own park?

 

[brett05]

I think you guys are missing the point that I have tried to raise. It isn't about who has the advantage in all interleague play. I've only discussed the situation when the NL teams come to an AL park. The NL team is at a disadvantage because they don't carry 9 regular position players. If you want to ignore that fact, I guess that is your right, but it remains that AL teams have an advantage over NL teams in their home park.

Now if you want to debate who has a bigger advantage, I might concede that the difference is more in favor of the NL than the AL, but the fact remains that NL teams are at a disadvantage when they come to AL parks.

What do NL teams lose coming to the AL parks??????

 

[Jntg4]

Tell me how the AL doesn't have an advantage? You tell me that the AL is at such a disadvantage because they are losing their big time bat (DH) when they come to NL parks. The NL gets to add a crappy bench bat to their lineup to match up with that middle of the order hitter. How is that not an advantage in their own park?

Because they lose and we gain.

 

[dabynsky]

What do NL teams lose coming to the AL parks??????

They don't lose anything, but what NL team has a guy on their bench to match up with the big time DHs in the AL?

 

[brett05]

Last time I ask. What is it that the NL teams lose coming to the AL park?