Astros To The AL West

[Rice Cube]

you never Lose 10-20% of your salary in a game. We do. You miss that point

If that bat is THAT important to the lineup, you hide him at first base. A lot of AL managers do that. Some don't. It's not a point that was missed if you read some of my previous posts.

 

[Jntg4]

That is what you've wanted it to be but that was never the conversation. It's a no brainer statement

No, it was. You said the NL teams get an advantage over AL teams overall in inter-league.

And we said that there is no way that the AL is disadvantaged.

Nobody has an advantage at NL fields, as they both have terrible hitting pitchers who won't get on either way.

At AL fields, the DH is much better than the bench player, and thus the AL has the advantage.

 

[brett05]

It's also one of the reasons why the perceived AL advantage isn't as big as it seems. So that's why it entered the conversation and must be an integral part of said conversation.

Perceived? There isn't one plain and simple

 

[Rice Cube]

Perceived? There isn't one plain and simple

The advantage is there because of the difference in how the rosters are constructed. If you cannot accept that, then I guess we'll have to go our separate ways.

 

[brett05]

If that bat is THAT important to the lineup, you hide him at first base. A lot of AL managers do that. Some don't. It's not a point that was missed if you read some of my previous posts.

Most don't.

 

[brett05]

Dinner time. Will pick this up later

 

[nickofypres]

Nobody has an advantage at NL fields, as they both have terrible hitting pitchers who won't get on either way.

NL teams are used to having a pitcher bat. AL loses a bat.



I've re-thought this and came to this conclusion:

At AL Parks: NL is at disadvantage

At NL Pakrs: AL is at disadvantage.

Ergo: it evens out.



/thread

 

[Rice Cube]

Most don't.

Then that's their problem, and their GM's problem, for employing a player who only hits and can't even catch a baseball. There are a lot of guys on NL teams who probably shouldn't be in the field. Prince Fielder is a terrible defensive first baseman and yet he's there. There are other first basemen who should probably DH but don't because the team employs a slugger who sucks worse at defense than the regular 1B does.

The AL may complain about losing the DH, but it doesn't hurt them much at all considering their dominance over the NL in interleague.

I think we're going in circles now.

 

[Rice Cube]

NL teams are used to having a pitcher bat. AL loses a bat.



I've re-thought this and came to this concision:

At AL Parks: NL is at disadvantage

At NL Pakrs: AL is at disadvantage.

Ergo: it evens out.



/thread

Aaaaah...there will be peace

 

[Jntg4]

NL teams are used to having a pitcher bat. AL loses a bat.



I've re-thought this and came to this conclusion:

At AL Parks: NL is at disadvantage

At NL Pakrs: AL is at disadvantage.

Ergo: it evens out.



/thread

Yes, but the AL actually isn't disadvantaged by losing the DH. Their lineup is hurt, that is indisputable, but the team they are playing against also don't have a DH, so it technically isn't a disadvantage. Remember, just technically.

 

[dabynsky]

NL teams are used to having a pitcher bat. AL loses a bat.



I've re-thought this and came to this conclusion:

At AL Parks: NL is at disadvantage

At NL Pakrs: AL is at disadvantage.

Ergo: it evens out.



/thread

The bolded part is all I have been arguing.

 

[nickofypres]

The bolded part is all I have been arguing.

:hug:

 

[nickofypres]

Yes, but the AL actually isn't disadvantaged by losing the DH. Their lineup is hurt, that is indisputable, but the team they are playing against also don't have a DH, so it technically isn't a disadvantage. Remember, just technically.

So a line-up being hurt isn't a disadvantage?

ok..............

Look I get what you're trying to say, but it isn't feasible. The fact that we have to lose anything at all, is a disadvantage, no matter how to try to spin it.

 

[Rice Cube]

So a line-up being hurt isn't a disadvantage?

ok..............

Look I get what you're trying to say, but it isn't feasible. The fact that we have to lose anything at all, is a disadvantage, no matter how to try to spin it.

Yeah, this is true and I don't think I disputed that. What is up for debate is how much of a disadvantage that is. Based on interleague records, AL teams pretty much don't care if they're hitting with 8 guys or 9 :lol:

When the NL (hopefully) gets better in an attempt to compete during all-season interleague, maybe we can revisit this again.

 

[Jntg4]

So a line-up being hurt isn't a disadvantage?

ok..............

Look I get what you're trying to say, but it isn't feasible. The fact that we have to lose anything at all, is a disadvantage, no matter how to try to spin it.

Relative to the opponent, it is hurting their offensive potential, but it isn't what I'd consider to be a disadvantage because the other team doesn't have the DH either.

It'd be a disadvantage if the NL team got a real DH and they didn't get one, but since NL teams don't, they are not disadvantaged against the NL team, but with the same lineup, would be disadvantaged against an AL team using the DH.

I agree with what you agreed to, but I'm just not sure the word choice was perfect so I'm being annoying and being overly technical. XD

 

[brett05]

He's not, he's a Hall of Famer. But if nobody wants to pay him, he can't play. The Phillies got very lucky with that one, and Thome is the exception to the crappy NL bench player rule.

To be fair, most NL bench players have some value, but there's a reason they are on the bench instead of in the regular lineup. Most NL teams cannot afford to blow $8-10MM on a DH-y type guy to just sit on the bench until his one at-bat comes up.

No, they hide them in the field like you want AL teams to do

 

[brett05]

I think the salary is spent towards relievers and better bench guys rather than just a guy who can hit, but I don't really know. DH with a Victor Martinez or a David Ortiz is probably giving the AL a bit of an advantage over DHing with a Ryan Spilborghs or whatever random scrub the Cubs want to play that day though

They will dh soriano

 

[brett05]

For the most part this is not true. Even if you're an AL team having to face the Phillies, that's just one series and the rest of the interleague slate you get to face off against anemic offenses and not-better-than-their-AL-counterparts pitching.

Oh it's equal. Both an average team in the AL and NL spend the same amount of money. Say $100 million.

The difference is that the AL team loses a $10-15 million dollar player when they play in the NL parks. If your bench guys are awful as you like to say, then either all NL GM's are dumb for spending so much money on them or the money that an AL team uses for a DH gets used by an NL team for pitching which makes them have better pitching than an AL team.

The AL have more powerful lineups, the NL has more powerful pitching. On average this is probably true. But overall teams are equal on average. So given that, the AL loses in the NL parks and the NL gains some in the AL parks.

Love to see a stat on NL DH's in IL play.

 

[brett05]

If that bat is THAT important to the lineup, you hide him at first base. A lot of AL managers do that. Some don't. It's not a point that was missed if you read some of my previous posts.

Hiding players causes a loss of a bat still and weakens the defense. Also puts major injury out there. Those reasons are why it's not replace crappy batting 2b with power hitting DH. The DH when playing the field usually replaces a quality bat.

 

[brett05]

I don't think the "no DH" thing should be used as a crutch for AL teams.

Then how about when an NL team comes to an AL park they lose a guy worth 10-20% of their team payroll as the AL team does when going to an NL park? Fair is fair.