Bad news: The asteroid that just missed Earth is coming back. And...

[CODE_BLUE56]

That is science?

If it were concretely theorized, then yes.

 

[brett05]

That works too. I appreciate them for advancing science and helping cure diseases and stuff.


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Uh, the lack of belief of God did not advance science or help cure diseases. Not to say that those that have are all believers in God and the Bible, but the two are mutually exclusive. You can advance science and cure diseases with or without a belief in God. You can also make stuff up with or without.

 

[MRubio52]

Anyway, in my opinion, the entire evolution vs. creation debate is overstated. God very well could have done his work through the Big Bang and Evolution, and the dirt could have been meant to allude to a lesser organism (e.g. another Primate), and then the age is but one small detail that distracts from the factor of true importance - God. Evolution doesn't prove or disprove God, nor does the Big Bang, and as Brett said, "God is the clock", a day to him and a day to us could be very different things... the entire debate is based off of a very small detail in a book of faith. Is there reason to shun the scientific evidence? No. Is there reason to shun God? No, but whether one believes in him is up to them.

I submit that God is more subtle than the biblical God. I do believe in God and I would agree that God perhaps worked via the Big Bang, but I do not believe in a traditional god.


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[MRubio52]

Uh, the lack of belief of God did not advance science or help cure diseases. Not to say that those that have are all believers in God and the Bible, but the two are mutually exclusive. You can advance science and cure diseases with or without a belief in God. You can also make stuff up with or without.

But they were not satisfied with the answer "God did it so it must be this way."


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[brett05]

Anyway, in my opinion, the entire evolution vs. creation debate is overstated. God very well could have done his work through the Big Bang and Evolution, and the dirt could have been meant to allude to a lesser organism (e.g. another Primate), and then the age is but one small detail that distracts from the factor of true importance - God. Evolution doesn't prove or disprove God, nor does the Big Bang, and as Brett said, "God is the clock", a day to him and a day to us could be very different things... the entire debate is based off of a very small detail in a book of faith. Is there reason to shun the scientific evidence? No. Is there reason to shun God? No, but whether one believes in him is up to them.

He could have but His Word says He did not. A christian can't say yes, Christ is the Messiah. Continue to say yes He died and rose again. Accept a virgin birth but then get to the first 11 chapters of the book of Genesis and then say this isn't real. That's bad theology. God states clearly in His Word what a day is and the six literally days of creation.
The evidence is there for both sides. It's the interpretation that is in question. You want a man's persepctive on the evidence or God's?

 

[AuCN]

Anyway, in my opinion, the entire evolution vs. creation debate is overstated. God very well could have done his work through the Big Bang and Evolution, and the dirt could have been meant to allude to a lesser organism (e.g. another Primate), and then the age is but one small detail that distracts from the factor of true importance - God. Evolution doesn't prove or disprove God, nor does the Big Bang, and as Brett said, "God is the clock", a day to him and a day to us could be very different things... the entire debate is based off of a very small detail in a book of faith. Is there reason to shun the scientific evidence? No. Is there reason to shun God? No, but whether one believes in him is up to them.

Very well put. And this is what many of the religious people in my field say. I think we have reached the ultimate ending of this conversation, as always. "God did it".

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

what do you mean by, "the earth is headed towards disorder"?

 

[brett05]

I guess you don't accept half lives so we aren't going to go anywhere. As well as actualism. When you observe three sequences of island arc sequences and their age determinations (by several methods) reveal ages that make sense stratigraphically, then those ages become accepted.

Boy it's a good thing "young earth" scientists aren't exploring for metals or we wouldn't have any. Not that there aren't any religious people in my field. They just don't believe in young earth.

Of course I believe in half lives, and there are loads in your field that are young earth, posted a list earlier in this thread.

Dating suffers from not knowing what was there and if there was anything to contaminate the sample. You don't need to know the age to find metals. I can find iron by digging for posts in my yard.

 

[brett05]

But they were not satisfied with the answer "God did it so it must be this way."


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It wasn;t not satisfied it was a turn their back on God as they like yourself do not want to report to anyone other than yourself in essence making yourself god.

 

[brett05]

what do you mean by, "the earth is headed towards disorder"?

The earth is not gaining complexity, it's actually doing as we all are, dying.

 

[brett05]

330 am comes around soon, I'll pick it up again tomorrow. For the most part, :clap: to all parties tonight.

 

[Jntg4]

He could have but His Word says He did not. A christian can't say yes, Christ is the Messiah. Continue to say yes He died and rose again. Accept a virgin birth but then get to the first 11 chapters of the book of Genesis and then say this isn't real. That's bad theology. God states clearly in His Word what a day is and the six literally days of creation.
The evidence is there for both sides. It's the interpretation that is in question. You want a man's persepctive on the evidence or God's?

Actually, what you are trusting is the translation of Gods' word to a primitive language and relatively primitive society that may have been tampered with under Roman rule, and then translated again into several other languages that do not fully match those of the original. This is why there is some room for some interpretation, and if God created this universe with galaxies accelerating away from our own observably, why should humans not take notice?

 

[Stapler]

Before we get moved to the "religio-politcal" hell end of the bar, lets try to remember that our meteors are only 4.5 billion years old.

Bismuth (Bi) has a half life estimated at a billion times longer than the age of the universe. (speaking of measuring from the end)

 

[Jntg4]

Before we get moved to the "religio-politcal" hell end of the bar, lets try to remember that meteors are only 4.5 billion years old.

Bismuth (Bi) has a half life estimated at a billion times longer than the age of the universe. (speaking of measuring from the end)

"Oh my, you are trusting human observed half-lives over the word of God"

 

[AuCN]

Of course I believe in half lives, and there are loads in your field that are young earth, posted a list earlier in this thread.

Dating suffers from not knowing what was there and if there was anything to contaminate the sample. You don't need to know the age to find metals. I can find iron by digging for posts in my yard.

See how that works out for you economically.
Knowing the ages is essential in looking for fertile terranes. You don't just wander around. You have to work in properly aged terranes for the deposit type you are looking for. What do you mean contaminating the sample? Thanks to laser ablation we can determine contaminants. And "not knowing what was there"? It's there. It's rock. We can see it in context with its surrounding rocks.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The earth is not gaining complexity, it's actually doing as we all are, dying.

it's certainly not going towards disorder

what do you mean by the earth dying?

 

[ShiftyDevil]

Before we get moved to the "religio-politcal" hell end of the bar, lets try to remember that our meteors are only 4.5 billion years old.

Bismuth (Bi) has a half life estimated at a billion times longer than the age of the universe. (speaking of measuring from the end)

Bismuth crystals area also very cool looking.

 

[Stapler]

Always measure from the start with dates relative to present, just how I envision the timescale...
I was working on a bit of a project that I wasn't going to show but may as well now at https://sites.google.com/geologicdatascale2

For the record, the Preuniversal, Prechaotian, Eo/Meso/Neoprechaotian, and the periods of the Eo and Meso were used basically as placeholders by me until a real system comes along, though they do mark important events... periods of the Neoprechaotian and of the Chaotian/Zirconian were coined by Goldblatt et. al, whilst the remainder Chaotian and Zirconian themselves are products of Gradstein and Ogg.

Your link isn't working and that bums me out. I blame math.

 

[AuCN]

Bismuth crystals area also very cool looking.

Although manmade, yes they certainly are!

 

[Jntg4]

Your link isn't working and that bums me out. I blame math.

Shit, typed it manually, forget the /site/

https://sites.google.com/site/geologicdatascale2

Still very much in development/unfinished