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[brett05]

God operates outside of time by his very nature, therefore he is not a clock

We agree he is outside of time, but that doesn't mean he isn't the clock. He was the light until the Sun was made in creation.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I agree, but his lack of knowledge doesn't mean he was lying or trying to be deceptive especially if the knowledge was not available to him. We don't criticize the folks from long ago that thought the world was flat. The knowledge that they had led them to that conclusion. That is my only point.

the bolded is the point i am trying to make. I am not saying he is lying or trying to deceptive.

 

[brett05]

I don't believe I stated that I am either old earth or young earth in that; however, I do prefer to know both sides of any argument, thus I have put a great deal of research into the most recent scientific theories.

And yes, they are definitely rocks, the "undisputed" referred to the age, in terms of being dated properly with scientific standards, not that the set standards were undisputed by young earth creationists.

I know both sides too, was once a dyed in the wool evolutionist. That was before I got saved and researched the indoctrination that goes on in the public schools and society.

OK so undisputed by those that accept an old universe, but not by those that accept a young universe. Got it. Thanks for the clarification

 

[brett05]

the bolded is the point i am trying to make. I am not saying he is lying or trying to deceptive.

I agree, his knowledge was limited.

 

[MRubio52]

how do we see the stars in the night sky that are millions and billions of light years away?

 

[brett05]

how do we see the stars in the night sky that are millions and billions of light years away?

What do you mean how do we see it?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The earth is headed to disorder, not more order. But we are just going to have to let this one go. Other universes? Right now, nothign but fairy tales.

Might not be in a few years.

 

[MRubio52]

What do you mean how do we see it?

All things take time to travel distances, including light. We have a measure of such distances called light years. Light from a light year away would take a year to reach us, so when we look to the night sky why do we see stars that are millions and billions of light years away?


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[Stapler]

how do we see the stars in the night sky that are millions and billions of light years away?

We don't, unless we look.

However, looking "effects" the result and thus we see what is, instead of what might have been/be if we hadn't peeked...but then if we weren't here to look then what difference would it make?

And now I've gone crosseyed and can't see shit...great, everything's gone blurry again.

 

[brett05]

Might not be in a few years.

That is science?

 

[brett05]

All things take time to travel distances, including light. We have a measure of such distances called light years. Light from a light year away would take a year to reach us, so when we look to the night sky why do we see stars that are millions and billions of light years away?


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So for a moment if you don't already, let's assume the God of the Bible is true. God is all powerful and can't make the light appear here on earth to our eyes without allowing the light to travel for millions and millions of years but God can create it all? That doesn't make sense does it?

 

[MRubio52]

So for a moment if you don't already, let's assume the God of the Bible is true. God is all powerful and can't make the light appear here on earth to our eyes without allowing the light to travel for millions and millions of years but God can create it all? That doesn't make sense does it?

See but in times past God was responsible for all things, including tornadoes earthquakes, the sun rising, all of that was explained by god.

And if not for people being unsatisfied with that explanation we would not have science, and we would not advance as a society.

I am unsatisfied with that explanation.


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[brett05]

See but in times past God was responsible for all things, including tornadoes earthquakes, the sun rising, all of that was explained by god.

And if not for people being unsatisfied with that explanation we would not have science, and we would not advance as a society.

I am unsatisfied with that explanation.


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You are unsatisfied withthe explanation because you want an answer that is not God. What if that is the answer? Then what? Science is in its original the study of knoweledge.
Many would say science is the how or what God uses to keep things going. Of course with our limited capacities, we still may not know exactly how or what.

 

[Jntg4]

I know both sides too, was once a dyed in the wool evolutionist. That was before I got saved and researched the indoctrination that goes on in the public schools and society.

OK so undisputed by those that accept an old universe, but not by those that accept a young universe. Got it. Thanks for the clarification

You don't know both sides though, you once argued something along the lines of "we know the first organism was a plant, because, if it was an animal, what would it eat?"

 

[brett05]

And if not for people being unsatisfied with (God)

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[brett05]

You don't know both sides though, you once argued something along the lines of "we know the first organism was a plant, because, if it was an animal, what would it eat?"

I remember. I elected not to respond.

 

[MRubio52]

You are unsatisfied withthe explanation because you want an answer that is not God. What if that is the answer? Then what? Science is in its original the study of knoweledge.
Many would say science is the how or what God uses to keep things going. Of course with our limited capacities, we still may not know exactly how or what.

I am unsatisfied with the answer because I am human and I have curiosity.

The answer is that those stars are billions of years old, as is this earth and the universe itself, at least that is the logical conclusion to draw from reading a lot.

Our limited capabilities are precisely why we must remain curious and not chalk it up to god.


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[MRubio52]

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That works too. I appreciate them for advancing science and helping cure diseases and stuff.


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[Jntg4]

Anyway, in my opinion, the entire evolution vs. creation debate is overstated. God very well could have done his work through the Big Bang and Evolution, and the dirt could have been meant to allude to a lesser organism (e.g. another Primate), and then the age is but one small detail that distracts from the factor of true importance - God. Evolution doesn't prove or disprove God, nor does the Big Bang, and as Brett said, "God is the clock", a day to him and a day to us could be very different things... the entire debate is based off of a very small detail in a book of faith. Is there reason to shun the scientific evidence? No. Is there reason to shun God? No, but whether one believes in him is up to them.

 

[AuCN]

You didn;t answer my question. How do you know what to use as you yourself have said you use the one for (and I paraphrase) the age you are looking for?

I guess you don't accept half lives so we aren't going to go anywhere. As well as actualism. When you observe three sequences of island arc sequences and their age determinations (by several methods) reveal ages that make sense stratigraphically, then those ages become accepted.

Boy it's a good thing "young earth" scientists aren't exploring for metals or we wouldn't have any. Not that there aren't any religious people in my field. They just don't believe in young earth.