Bad news: The asteroid that just missed Earth is coming back. And...

[Anno Catuli]

Appreciate it. As for the jail thing, I thought the name was familiar, so I asked. I had him confused with that gold guy.

I used his transcripts because that is the one I heard most. There might be others, just not up to date on them. I am sure there are others who also try to use science to prove the faults in the theory.

 

[Tjodalv]

I think so, for tax evasion. But does being in jail negate anything he supports with scientific fact?

If you don't think that being proven a liar and a cheat has any bearing on whether or not his opinion matters, his willingness to falsify "research" for personal gain, or whether or not we should view him as a reputable source, then I don't know what to tell you. And yes, I've read his work, none of it has any basis in testable or provable fact; and is therefore not science.

 

[Stapler]

We should build prisons around our telescopes and make the inmates track space rocks.

(or am I missing something important in that idea?)

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

To be completely accurate, it was all created about 13+ billion years ago in the bang' but this stuff foating around here local/lately was only "recreated" and given a new date of existence when our Sun was born.

yo dawg. we all just be recycled star dust. and stuff.

 

[Stapler]

yo dawg. we all just be recycled star dust. and stuff.

Exactly.

And hydrogen is the most common element in the universe/us so there was wet sticky shit splattering out in all directions like a Kennedy driving through Dallas. ..happy Prez's Day everyone, btw.

(too soon?)

 

[Anno Catuli]

If you don't think that being proven a liar and a cheat has any bearing on whether or not his opinion matters, his willingness to falsify "research" for personal gain, or whether or not we should view him as a reputable source, then I don't know what to tell you. And yes, I've read his work, none of it has any basis in testable or provable fact; and is therefore not science.

Many smart men have spent time in jail. I don't think that lying about money negates scientific research.

 

[Tjodalv]

Many smart men have spent time in jail. I don't think that lying about money negates scientific research.

What scientific research? He didn't do any, he simply proposed untestable and thus unprovable "theories." THE DANGERS OF EVOLUTION - Satan's Religion to Destroy Humanity, sound like a firmly scientific document to me.

"Now, the Devil does not want you to believe, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” He does not want you to believe that! So, the Devil had to think up a way for the world to make itself. So, he thought and he thought and he thought and he thought, and finally he came up with the Big Bang Theory." Yep, great scientific method used for that one.

"Now the second law of thermodynamics tells us everything tends toward disorder—everything is falling apart, nothing gets better by itself." Disorder? Falling apart? Gets better by itself? Scientists don't describe things in terms of "better" or "worse," things either are or are not...that's the main point. Hell, even his stupid little synopsis of the second law of thermodynamics is completely backwards; that law states (simplifying here) that within a closed system all things will naturally reach a state of equilibrium...equilibrium, the exact opposite of disorder.

Look at all the false assumptions he makes in his little paragraph about spiral galaxies. He even blows his own basic premise by stating that "...if the galaxies were billions of years old, they would have lost their spiral shape and yet all of them are spiral shaped galaxies." No, they aren't all spiral shaped.

Pick a paragraph or topic he discusses and it will take anyone with an ounce of knowledge about actual observable, testable, and provable facts (you know, real science) concerning that topic to rip his argument apart. I'm sure there are probably a few people here and there that may actually be able to debate a "biblical view of creation" while actually siting facts and putting forth reasonable questions and postulations; this man is clearly not one of them.

 

[brett05]

First off, anyone that has any clue about making a point in a topic of at least two sides knows to avoid the illegal debate topics. Bringing up Dr. Hovind as a someone in jail for tax evasion is an illegal debate tactic. No side should use them - ever.

http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm
http://carm.org/logical-fallacies-or-fallacies-argumentation
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

Here's a list of scientists that fall in favor of th Biblical account of creation:

Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field.

Spoiler

Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics)
Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist
Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr George F. Howe, Botany
Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr John G. Leslie, biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (1945–2012)
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr John Sanford, Geneticist
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (1923–2012)
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology

Those that are creation apologists:

Spoiler

Kerby Anderson - VP of International Society of Christian Apologetics.
John Ankerberg - Founder of Ankerberg Theological Research Institute; Great podcast.
Greg Bahnsen - the late great presuppositional apologist. Debated Gordon Stein.
Andy Bannister - London School of Theology / Oxford Centre for Christian apologetics.
Francis Beckwith - noted philosopher and apologist, especially in the area of ethics.
Ken Boa - relational evangelism, discipleship, apologetics.
Darrell Bock - Research Professor of NT Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary.
Joe Boot - apologist, educator, author and pastor.
Robert Bowman - noted apologetics and theology teacher (Biola)
Justin Brierley - host of Unbelievable? on Premier Christian Radio, UK.
Kyle Butt - staff at Apologetics Press and editor of Discovery magazine. Debated Barker.
Ted Cabal - general editor of The Apologetics Study Bible.
Charlie Campbell - itinerant apologist and head of AlwaysBeReady.com.
Ergun Caner - provost Arlington Baptist College; author.
Edward John Carnell - was a prominent and influential Christian theologian and apologist.
G.K. Chesterton - famous author, philosopher, theologian, apologist.
David K. Clark - apologist with notable books; teaches at Bethel Seminary
Gordon Clark - Christian philosopher, apologist, and theologian. Contemporary of Van Til.
Kelly James Clark - notable philosopher of religion, author; Calvin College.
Gene Cook - host of UnchainedRadio; reformed pastor and apologist. Owns a pit bull.
Paul Copan - Philosophy and ethics; noted apologist and author.
Winfried Corduan - Christian philosopher of religion; noted author.
Steven B. Cowan - Associate director of Apologetics Resource Center; Areopagus Journal
William Lane Craig - philosopher, theologian, apologist; Debater par excellence.
Dinesh D’Souza - writer, speaker, debater. Various notable debates.
William Dembski - philosopher of science and mathematician; ID theorist.
William Edgar - Professor of Apologetics Westminster Theological Seminary; jazz pianist.
Lenny Esposito - founder of ComeReason apologetics ministry.
C. Stephen Evans - philosophy of religion; apologetics; great author. Baylor.
Paul D. Feinberg - the late philosopher of religion and apologist; author.
Harold Felder - founder of GivingAnAnswer apologetics ministry.
Phil Fernandes - Christian philosopher, apologist, debater. Tremendous audio resources.
John Frame - Reformed Theological Seminary; reformed apologist; Van Til expert.
Norman Geisler - prolific author of over 70 books; Classical apologist.
R. Douglas Geivett - Professor of Philosophy Talbot Department of Philosophy / Biola
Simon Greenleaf - legal scholar famous for his book Testimony of the Evangelists.
Douglas Groothuis - Christian philosopher, author, teacher.
Shandon L. Guthrie - philosophy, apologetics, atheism, comparative religions, ethics.
Gary Habermas - the world's foremost expert on the resurrection of Jesus.
Hank Hanegraaff - today's Bible Answer Man.
Craig Hazen - director of Biola's Christian Apologetics program.
J.P. Holding - founded Tektonics apologetics website; author.
Anthony Horvath - Athanatos Christian Ministries and online Apologetics Academy.
Phillip E. Johnson - one of the key leaders of the Intelligent Design movement.
Walter Kaiser - scholar, writer, educator, and distinguished Professor of Old Testament.
Timothy Keller - urban pastor and apologist noted for his clear communication.
Greg Koukl - apologist and president of Stand to Reason; excellent radio program.
Peter Kreeft - professor of philosophy at Boston College, noted apologist.
John Lennox - philosopher of science, mathematician, Oxford debater of Dawkins.
C.S. Lewis - famous author, lecturer, apologist; Narnia books, Mere Christianity.
Gordon Lewis - philosopher and theologian; author of Testing Christianity's Truth Claims.
Mike Licona - historian and apologist; authority on the resurrection of Jesus.
Bruce Little - philosopher noted for work on the problem of evil and theodicy.
Paul Little - late apologist and author noted for his simple style and easy communication.
David Marshall - world cultures, outspoken against new atheism.
Walter Martin - most famous for his Kingdom of the Cults book; the original Answer Man.
Stuart McAllister - Scottish itinerant cultural apologist with RZIM.
Josh McDowell - famous for Evidence that Demands a Verdict.
Sean McDowell - worldview youth minister / itinerant apologist.
Alex McFarland - itinerant apologist targeting young people, teens.
Alister McGrath - Oxford professor of theology, author and opponent of new atheism.
Chad Meister - philosopher of religion, ethics, logic; apologist, author; Bethel College.
Angus Menuge - Concordia University professor of philosophy.
Stephen Meyer -philosopher of science, intelligent design theorist, author.
Albert Mohler - president of SBTS, worldview cultural commentator, author, radio host.
John Warwick Montgomery - perhaps the most famous evidentialist apologist.
J.P. Moreland - Christian philosopher, noted author, apologist.
Ronald Nash - Professor Philosophy and Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary
Randall Niles - itinerant and multimedia apologist.
David Noebel - founder of Summit Ministries and worldview apologist.
Scott Oliphint - Professor of Apologetics and Systematic Theology WTS
Amy Orr-Ewing - Director of Training of the Zacharias Trust.
Craig Parton - trial lawyer and noted Lutheran apologist.
Alvin Plantinga - world-class philosopher; reformed epistemology, philosophy of religion.
Doug Powell - excellent multimedia apologist at SelflessDefense.
Michael Ramsden - European Director of Zacharias Trust, speaker for RZIM.
Fazale Rana - PhD biochemist with Reasons to Believe.
Ron Rhodes - author and apologist founder of Reasoning from the Scriptures.
John W. Robbins - reformed apologist, founder of Trinity Foundation.
Mark D. Roberts - pastor, author, speaker, blogger. Emphasis in NT / Gospels.
David Robertson - Scottish pastor famous/notorious for his Dawkins Letters.
Hugh Ross - astrophysicist apologist and old Earth creationist; founder Reasons to Believe.
Kenneth Samples - reformed philosopher, theologian, apologist with Reasons to Believe.
Francis Schaeffer - famous late cultural apologist, author, philosopher; founder of L'Abri.
Mary Jo Sharp - author, apologist, debater; founder of Confident Christianity.
James Sire - influential worldview author, apologist, and speaker.
Matt Slick - founder of CARM.org, one of the best apologetics encyclopedias on the web.
R.C. Sproul - notable theologian, author, and classical apologist.
Don Stewart - prolific author, apologist, and host of the Bible Explorer.
Lee Strobel - journalist famous for his Case for Christ series of books; popular apologist.
Richard Swinburne - world-class Oxford philosopher of religion; author.
Frank Turek - itinerant apologist and founder of CrossExamined; debated Hitchens.
Cornelius Van Til - the most famous presuppositional reformed apologist.
Jim Wallace - cold case detective, pastor, and apologist; excellent podcast.
James White - theologian, author, prolific debater, and reformed apologist.
Dallas Willard - Christian philosopher; notable works in philosophy, discipleship,
Peter S. Williams - Christian philosopher; notable works countering Dawkins
Douglas Wilson - presuppositional apologist; number of atheist debates (Hitchens, Barker)
N.T. Wright - Bishop of Durham; notable work on the resurrection.
Ravi Zacharias -perhaps today's most notable international cultural apologist.

That's just after a quick google search. One of my favorites is Ken Ham - Founder of Answers in Genesis website.

2nd Law is valid in a closed system. I would say the universe is pretty closed.
We all support our faith beliefs. There is the evidence open to all sides, it's the interpretation that is in question. Evolution can't be proven and God did it can't be proven. That's the faith part that comes in.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So what does that have to do with the Oort Cloud?

 

[brett05]

I answered the request of others that believe as Dr. Hovind.

The Oort Cloud is hypothesized to exist and it creates the comets, asteroids that we see today in a continuing process since comets and asteroids break apart frequently.

Take Halley's Comet. It was not around billions and billions of years ago. It probably came from this unseen Oort Cloud. that is what an evolutionist would say.

 

[Tjodalv]

I answered the request of others that believe as Dr. Hovind.

The Oort Cloud is hypothesized to exist and it creates the comets, asteroids that we see today in a continuing process since comets and asteroids break apart frequently.

Take Halley's Comet. It was not around billions and billions of years ago. It probably came from this unseen Oort Cloud. that is what an evolutionist would say.

First off: Listing a large amount of people who believe something is evidence of nothing. I could provide you with a list of living people that believe they are Christ that I'm relatively sure would be miles longer than the one you provided...does that make any of them right in your estimation?

Second: The material that makes up Halley's Comet did not exist until "recently?" Or was it not expelled from outer-space into a more regular orbit until recently? You really need to specify/articulate your arguments better or we all end up sitting around asking what the hell you meant by statement ______. For instance; what do you mean by "The Oort Cloud...creates..." If you're simply being intentionally obtuse or vague then I wouldn't make any complaints about other people's debating tactics if I were you.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

What scientific research? He didn't do any, he simply proposed untestable and thus unprovable "theories." THE DANGERS OF EVOLUTION - Satan's Religion to Destroy Humanity, sound like a firmly scientific document to me.

"Now, the Devil does not want you to believe, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” He does not want you to believe that! So, the Devil had to think up a way for the world to make itself. So, he thought and he thought and he thought and he thought, and finally he came up with the Big Bang Theory." Yep, great scientific method used for that one.

"Now the second law of thermodynamics tells us everything tends toward disorder—everything is falling apart, nothing gets better by itself." Disorder? Falling apart? Gets better by itself? Scientists don't describe things in terms of "better" or "worse," things either are or are not...that's the main point. Hell, even his stupid little synopsis of the second law of thermodynamics is completely backwards; that law states (simplifying here) that within a closed system all things will naturally reach a state of equilibrium...equilibrium, the exact opposite of disorder.

Look at all the false assumptions he makes in his little paragraph about spiral galaxies. He even blows his own basic premise by stating that "...if the galaxies were billions of years old, they would have lost their spiral shape and yet all of them are spiral shaped galaxies." No, they aren't all spiral shaped.

Pick a paragraph or topic he discusses and it will take anyone with an ounce of knowledge about actual observable, testable, and provable facts (you know, real science) concerning that topic to rip his argument apart. I'm sure there are probably a few people here and there that may actually be able to debate a "biblical view of creation" while actually siting facts and putting forth reasonable questions and postulations; this man is clearly not one of them.

besides the other faults with this use of the theory, it doesn't take into account an outside energy source(i.e. the sun)

ETA: holy shit, did he really say all galaxies are spiral shaped?

 

[brett05]

First off: Listing a large amount of people who believe something is evidence of nothing. I could provide you with a list of living people that believe they are Christ that I'm relatively sure would be miles longer than the one you provided...does that make any of them right in your estimation?

Second: The material that makes up Halley's Comet did not exist until "recently?" Or was it not expelled from outer-space into a more regular orbit until recently? You really need to specify/articulate your arguments better or we all end up sitting around asking what the hell you meant by statement ______. For instance; what do you mean by "The Oort Cloud...creates..." If you're simply being intentionally obtuse or vague then I wouldn't make any complaints about other people's debating tactics if I were you.

1) I never said it proves anything other that there are a list of other credible folks that dispel with the faith of evolution. that is all. So relax a little will ya?
2) I am not even saying an Oort Cloud exists. It's the belief held by Old universe folks AFAIK

 

[brett05]

besides the other faults with this use of the theory, it doesn't take into account an outside energy source(i.e. the sun)

Actually it does. You need a mechanism to use that energy otherwise take a look at everything around you. Do to the sun, it heads toward disorder.

 

[Iwritecode]

My hope is that after we die, no matter your beliefs about how/where we end up, we'll finally get the answers to the questions we always debate over. How did the universe really begin? Who really killed JFK? What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Is there intelligent life on other planets? Was (insert occurance) really a government hoax/cover-up?

 

[brett05]

My hope is that after we die, no matter your beliefs about how/where we end up, we'll finally get the answers to the questions we always debate over. How did the universe really begin? Who really killed JFK? What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Is there intelligent life on other planets? Was (insert occurance) really a government hoax/cover-up?

I am with you. My faith says those answers are a certainty after we leave this life.

 

[Stapler]

My hope is that after we die, no matter your beliefs about how/where we end up, we'll finally get the answers to the questions we always debate over. How did the universe really begin? Who really killed JFK? What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Is there intelligent life on other planets? Was (insert occurance) really a government hoax/cover-up?

I'd prefer to have the "how the universe began" and "intelligent life on other planets" question fully answered before I die (we're getting so close).

As for the rest of those questions you mention...eh, I have faith that I already know those answers well enough. ray:

 

[brett05]

...did he really say all galaxies are spiral shaped?

In all fairness, the article references a date of 1998, when was it that common knowledge that galaxies might have shapes other than spiral?

 

[Stapler]

2nd Law is valid in a closed system. I would say the universe is pretty closed.

What makes you say the universe is a closed system?

Also, we've known other galaxies exist since the late 20's. Prior to that they were called nebulae, and were already known to have many different shapes even before then.

Fun fact; Ed Hubble became famous for proving those were actually other galaxies and not exploded stars.

 

[Crystallas]

It's only going to be a matter of time before someone figures out how to use these close flying asteroids to our advantage. I'm not saying this one in particular, but as sci-fi as this sounds, we could theoretically start mining something that was once considered a threat, and reduce/control the potential danger of an actual impact.