Bears hiring Shane Waldron as OC

[Les Grossman]

How often does this happen Les? I’m not saying you do this but those relying on a rookie to play like stroud or have a season like him are dumb. Besides Stroud playing well, it was the perfect Storm for the Texans. If we draft Williams please don’t place these lofty expectations on him

I'm not. I'm merely highlighting the importance of getting the right QB. It buys you a long leash.

You said Poles would be gone without the playoffs regardless. I disagree. If he drafts a rookie QB and he looks good, Pole will stay IMO.

 

[Les Grossman]

I honestly keep forgetting that. Pace put all his eggs into the basket of his QB of choice and it ultimately fucked him

I actually appreciated the conviction and him taking a shot. It's better than taking the journeyman QB route to mediocrity IMO.

I'd rather go down swinging for the fences.

 

[remydat]

Banned

Thankless job where you get blamed for adults acting like children and being undisciplined. So similar to being OC for the Bears in that regard.

 

[dentfan]

Waldron came from McVay which came from west coast...

I can't call what Waldron did true west coast because they didn't run enough to truly sell the west coast.

I don't know if that was a Pete Carroll thing or not...The Seahawks ran the ball more in 2022 than they did in 2023 and it sounded like Carroll wanted more plays to the WRs

For the west coast to work you need the threat of the run to engage the play action. That means you have to have some legit tendency to run the ball.

Fields had some really good deep passes on play action....something I don't think The Bears did effectively enough of...true back to the line play action.

in 2022 they were dead last in the league, by a lot, in play action passing attempts..

in 2023 they finally opened it up a bit but were still tied 3rd from bottom in attempts...
however, the were tied for 8th in the league in YAC per completion

I thought it was a strong point for them getting chunk yards and they did not do it enough.

in 2023 Seattle was also tied for 8th in YAC per completion but had 12% more attempts which put them in the middle of the league

I think what we are having is a sublation of definitions. There are now two “West Coast” offenses. The contemporary Shanahan 49ers and the classic Bill Walsh 49ers Offense. They are both called West Coast.

yet you are expected all these extra draft picks to be day 1 starting studs.... right.

I mean, relative to draft position, yeah. I mean, it is basically what Poles pulled off with the trade down last draft: a starting RT and DB. Why wouldn’t we get close to the same?

How often does this happen Les? I’m not saying you do this but those relying on a rookie to play like stroud or have a season like him are dumb. Besides Stroud playing well, it was the perfect Storm for the Texans. If we draft Williams please don’t place these lofty expectations on him

This is exactly what would happen if they draft CW. His expectations would be insane. Seeing how well he deals with adversity last year, I’m not sure he’d be able to handle the Chicago media and fan base expecting Jesus, when he’s a kid with many of the same issues as JF. It wouldn’t be fair to the kid what he’s going to get if Poles drafts him.

 

[modo]

Whatever decision Poles decides to make, I can guarantee it won’t be based off of ONLY one thing.

Someone just mentioned which decision would be safer, hence the argument, but no one said that it’s going to be the only factor made in a vacuum.

there is no safe decision...that's the point I am making

 

[Les Grossman]

I mean, relative to draft position, yeah. I mean, it is basically what Poles pulled off with the trade down last draft: a starting RT and DB. Why wouldn’t we get close to the same?

Well for one, all of these draft picks wouldn't all be coming in 2024. It all depends on how far they trade down, but those other high draft pics will be in subsequent years (2025, 2026) as well, which again goes against your point of contributing immediately.

 

[modo]

I think what we are having is a sublation of definitions. There are now two “West Coast” offenses. The contemporary Shanahan 49ers and the classic Bill Walsh 49ers Offense. They are both called West Coast.

One was born form the other and updated a bit...

Shanahan is more run friendly oriented...

I think that is what Bears are looking for honestly...That was not run in Seattle, but I am wondering if that is more a Pete Carroll choice

 

[dentfan]

Well for one, all of these draft picks wouldn't all be coming in 2024. It all depends on how far they trade down, but those other high draft pics will be in subsequent years (2025, 2026) as well, which again goes against your point of contributing immediately.

Are you okay? They would contribute immediately after they were drafted. It is the dialectic of the relative and the absolute. Relative to when and where they are drafted, their absolute value should be “starter”. You’re conflating arguments.

 

[dentfan]

One was born form the other and updated a bit...

Shanahan is more run friendly oriented...

I think that is what Bears are looking for honestly...That was not run in Seattle, but I am wondering if that is more a Pete Carroll choice

Oh, I absolutely agree that the current zone read West Coast is descended from Walsh’s. I’m just clarifying, because it seems like people were arguing about what is West Coast.

 

[Les Grossman]

So in two years, got it. So not a conversation that is pertinent to today

@dentfan

This is what I've been responding to...

It's an argument of allocating resources regard when CHI would have to retain Fields vs paying a rookie QB.

Anywhoodle, this is a tired conversation.

 

[Bearly]

So in two years, got it. So not a conversation that is pertinent to today

Sure it is if you have a GM with some foresight and plans his cap.

 

[modo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749406688073990592

what weird ass metric is this based off of?

 

[Neckbeard]

what weird ass metric is this based off of?

The guy has all the inputs he looks for on his home page. Seems complicated, yet data driven at the same time. So, its seems decent? But I wouldn't take it as all encompassing gospel.

Basically I take it that Waldron is pretty good, but not excellent.

While Getsy was bad.

 

[modo]

The guy has all the inputs he looks for on his home page. Seems complicated, yet data driven at the same time. So, its seems decent? But I wouldn't take it as all encompassing gospel.

Basically I take it that Waldron is pretty good, but not excellent.

While Getsy was bad.

It looks like a lot of his opinions based on game stats weighted together...

in otherwords...his opinions

 

[modo]

a few people here won't like this metric

https://x.com/SumerSports/status/1616477512300625940?s=20

 

[Discus fish salesman]

a few people here won't like this metric

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https://x.com/SumerSports/status/1616477512300625940?s=20

Lol well Brandon Staley at 4 says a lot about the metric

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Lol well Brandon Staley at 4 says a lot about the metric

and it was the 22 season

 

[Les Grossman]

Report: Matt Eberflus defended Justin Fields in OC interviews

The Bears have been able to take some victory laps this week as word got out that they hired Shane Waldron to take over for Luke Getsy as the team’s offensive coordinator. Waldron was seen as one of the best OC candidates on the market this year, and the expectation was he’d have several...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Bearey Palpatine]

 

[hyatt151]

Sir this is CCS, you must have your final opinion the moment after the hire and are not allowed to be patient.

my opinion FWIW, is he's an improvement over Getsy