Bears hiring Shane Waldron as OC

[Les Grossman]

What if Williams tanks and Fields keeps getting better...

Its also bad...

You should never draft a player to maximize a potential excuse

It's much worse if Fields continues to fail/not produce. Then everyone will be quick to let you know that they saw it coming (based on the last 3 years).

 

[PrideisBears]

Waldron came from McVay which came from west coast...

I can't call what Waldron did true west coast because they didn't run enough to truly sell the west coast.

I don't know if that was a Pete Carroll thing or not...The Seahawks ran the ball more in 2022 than they did in 2023 and it sounded like Carroll wanted more plays to the WRs

For the west coast to work you need the threat of the run to engage the play action. That means you have to have some legit tendency to run the ball.

Fields had some really good deep passes on play action....something I don't think The Bears did effectively enough of...true back to the line play action.

in 2022 they were dead last in the league, by a lot, in play action passing attempts..

in 2023 they finally opened it up a bit but were still tied 3rd from bottom in attempts...
however, the were tied for 8th in the league in YAC per completion

I thought it was a strong point for them getting chunk yards and they did not do it enough.

in 2023 Seattle was also tied for 8th in YAC per completion but had 12% more attempts which put them in the middle of the league

I know which system he studied under but as you pointed out there were several of dudes with the Seahawks that prevented it from really being any kind of west coast offense

 

[modo]

It's much worse if Fields continues to fail/not produce. Then everyone will be quick to let you know that they saw it coming (based on the last 3 years).

No in their right mind should draft on what gives them the best excuse...

 

[PrideisBears]

It's much worse if Fields continues to fail/not produce. Then everyone will be quick to let you know that they saw it coming (based on the last 3 years).

Everyone is captain hindsight but Fields has improved every year. There’s zero guarantee it’s enough to please a lot of people here but he has shown it

 

[remydat]

What if Williams tanks and Fields keeps getting better...

Its also bad...

You should never draft a player to maximize a potential excuse

I already answered that. You would be able to say you did what virtually every GM would do in your situation.

And you are getting confused. This is what was said.

I'd actually argue not taking QB at #1 and trading out is much safer.

You get a draft compensation haul and can still draft a tier 2 QB later.

This team is a few holes away from being a playoff contender. Can be easily filled with trading out of #1. Now if caleb busts then Poles is basically gone in 2-3 years.

All I am doing is responding to the above and saying the safe pick is Williams.

At no point was I arguing you should draft him because he is the safe pick.

 

[modo]

I already answered that. You would be able to say you did what virtually every GM would do in your situation.

And you are getting confused. This is what was said.

All I am doing is responding to the above and saying the safe pick is Williams.

At no point was I arguing you should draft him because he is the safe pick.

There is no safe pick. You either get the right one or you fail.

I think it’s an illusion that you safer by jacking up the 1st pick cause everyone else would have done.

 

[Les Grossman]

No in their right mind should draft on what gives them the best excuse...

Nobody is saying that that is what’s happening

 

[modo]

Nobody is saying that that is what’s happening

Then having a safe pick is also non-existent

 

[Les Grossman]

Then having a safe pick is also non-existent

Whatever decision Poles decides to make, I can guarantee it won’t be based off of ONLY one thing.

Someone just mentioned which decision would be safer, hence the argument, but no one said that it’s going to be the only factor made in a vacuum.

 

[Les Grossman]

Everyone is captain hindsight but Fields has improved every year. There’s zero guarantee it’s enough to please a lot of people here but he has shown it

I don’t disagree.

 

[remydat]

There is no safe pick. You either get the right one or you fail.

I think it’s an illusion that you safer by jacking up the 1st pick cause everyone else would have done.

Take that up with who mentioned the safe pick first as I have no interest in debating whether safe picks exist or not. Again I was responding to the premise that they do.

And no it isnt about jacking up the first. It is about the consensus. Last year there was more disagreement on whether you trade No 1 or keep Fields because Young wasnt as highly regarded as Williams. This year there is more consensus to trade No 1 among NFL people per reports.

 

[PrideisBears]

Take that up with who mentioned the safe pick first as I have no interest in debating whether safe picks exist or not. Again I was responding to the premise that they do.

And no it isnt about jacking up the first. It is about the consensus. Last year there was more disagreement on whether you trade No 1 or keep Fields because Young wasnt as highly regarded as Williams. This year there is more consensus to trade No 1 among NFL people per reports.

You want to be a mod, buddy?

 

[remydat]

You want to be a mod, buddy?

About as much as I want an enema.

 

[PrideisBears]

Whatever decision Poles decides to make, I can guarantee it won’t be based off of ONLY one thing.

Someone just mentioned which decision would be safer, hence the argument, but no one said that it’s going to be the only factor made in a vacuum.

I disagree with remy’s premise of that being the safer pick too. Poles has been here three years, while that phenomenal trade helped get a lot for this team he also retained flus who is a record holder for this team and not in a good way. This team needs a winning season next year otherwise I definitely can see Poles being shown the door regardless and f he picks a “generational QB”

 

[PrideisBears]

About as much as I want an enema.

Banned

 

[Les Grossman]

I disagree with remy’s premise of that being the safer pick too. Poles has been here three years, while that phenomenal trade helped get a lot for this team he also retained flus who is a record holder for this team and not in a good way. This team needs a winning season next year otherwise I definitely can see Poles being shown the door regardless and f he picks a “generational QB”

I think that depends on how the team plays. Had the team not gone on a win streak and finished strong this year, I'd be willing to bet Flus would have been fired.

As for Poles, I do recall that there was A LOT of talk last year about how Poles "inherited" Fields and hasn't gotten to chose his QB since coming to CHI. Without getting into a long discussion about the importance of QB vs building a team, I have to believe that if Poles drafts a rookie QB and he has a season like Stroud but the team doesn't make the playoffs next year, Poles is plenty safe.

 

[AktionJackson]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749406688073990592

 

[remydat]

I disagree with remy’s premise of that being the safer pick too. Poles has been here three years, while that phenomenal trade helped get a lot for this team he also retained flus who is a record holder for this team and not in a good way. This team needs a winning season next year otherwise I definitely can see Poles being shown the door regardless and f he picks a “generational QB”

He probably gets 2 years with Williams unless next year is a disaster. Bear in mind Pace got 7.

 

[PrideisBears]

I think that depends on how the team plays. Had the team not gone on a win streak and finished strong this year, I'd be willing to bet Flus would have been fired.

As for Poles, I do recall that there was A LOT of talk last year about how Poles "inherited" Fields and hasn't gotten to chose his QB since coming to CHI. Without getting into a long discussion about the importance of QB vs building a team, I have to believe that if Poles drafts a rookie QB and he has a season like Stroud but the team doesn't make the playoffs next year, Poles is plenty safe.

How often does this happen Les? I’m not saying you do this but those relying on a rookie to play like stroud or have a season like him are dumb. Besides Stroud playing well, it was the perfect Storm for the Texans. If we draft Williams please don’t place these lofty expectations on him

 

[PrideisBears]

He probably gets 2 years with Williams unless next year is a disaster. Bear in mind Pace got 7.

I honestly keep forgetting that. Pace put all his eggs into the basket of his QB of choice and it ultimately fucked him