Bears should see if Matt Ryan is available.

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

You don't have a clue what your talking about. The 2009 year your referring to Stafford had just over 8 full games and it was his rookie year. The following year Stafford only played 3 games. And then when Stafford played the full season CJ's yard went like this:

2011 1681
2012 1964
2013 1492
2014 1077 (CJ missed nearly 4 games this year)

Johnson had a tremendous year in 2008. His numbers slipped in 2009 with Staffrd behind center. His numbers go back up in 2010 when Stafford only plays 3 games. Hmmm a weird pattern there. Any top WR like Johnson who gets 140-200 targets a year is going to produce solid numbers no matter who the QB is. Great WRs will always make their QBs better. Even someone like Terry McLaurin put up solid receiving numbers with 134 targets and bad QB play. The Year Megatron put up 1964 yards he had 204 targets. Johnson made Stafford a better QB, not the other way around.

 

[Pegger]

This really shines light on how thin the QB market really is. A lot less names are available then originally thought to be.

Specific to Matt Ryan, his cap number is $40,912,500. If he's traded before June 1st his cap number becomes $44,437,500 ($3,525,000 more than keeping him).

Their team can still make some moves, but currently are $31,668,889 over the projected cap space, so I think they are stuck with Matt.

Finally, I'd add neither Matt Ryan or the team have suggested they want to part ways.

 

[nc0gnet0]

again, that isn't proof....this isn't a controlled experiment

Couple that with Both the increase in production for Marvin Jones and Golden Tate when they arrived to the Lions.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Johnson had a tremendous year in 2008. His numbers slipped in 2009 with Staffrd behind center. His numbers go back up in 2010 when Stafford only plays 3 games. Hmmm a weird pattern there. Any top WR like Johnson who gets 140-200 targets a year is going to produce solid numbers no matter who the QB is. Great WRs will always make their QBs better. Even someone like Terry McLaurin put up solid receiving numbers with 134 targets and bad QB play. The Year Megatron put up 1964 yards he had 204 targets. Johnson made Stafford a better QB, not the other way around.

Again, and I don't know why this is hard for you to grasp, not only was 2009 Stafford's rookie year, he only played 8 full games. Your making one of the most idiotic arguments I have ever heard. But I guess jerry Rice made Joe Montana a better QB too, by your argument. Calvin Johnson hasn't played for 5 years. Stafford's production has not declined.

 

[modo]

Couple that with Both the increase in production for Marvin Jones and Golden Tate when they arrived to the Lions.

Golden Tate went from splitting catches with Baldwin to being the number one guy...he went from 99 targets to 144....His production didn't increase 50%.....on a per play basis his production dropped...

Marvin Jones was competing for catches with AJ Green in Cincy......of course his production went up....He was a part time player/starter except for one year in Cincy...his yards per catch were generally identical to those in Detroit and he actually had 10 TDs in Cincy on only 80 targets...he never reached that many TDs in a year with Detroit....

Maybe Stafford was actually holding them back from their potential......your info provides no empirical evidence

 

[nc0gnet0]

Golden Tate went from splitting catches with Baldwin to being the number one guy...he went from 99 targets to 144....His production didn't increase 50%.....on a per play basis his production dropped...

Marvin Jones was competing for catches with AJ Green in Cincy......of course his production went up....He was a part time player/starter except for one year in Cincy...his yards per catch were generally identical to those in Detroit and he actually had 10 TDs in Cincy on only 80 targets...he never reached that many TDs in a year with Detroit....

Maybe Stafford was actually holding them back from their potential......your info provides no empirical evidence

Tate was competing with Jones. Tate was never the number 1. Your argument on Jones TDs is crap as he hit 9 td's 3 times out of 5, and one of those years he only played 9 games. They both got more targets because Stafford was a better QB.

 

[modo]

Tate was competing with Jones. Tate was never the number 1. Your argument on Jones TDs is crap as he hit 9 td's 3 times out of 5, and one of those years he only played 9 games. They both got more targets because Stafford was a better QB.

So you are saying Stafford is better than Russell Wilson
The years that Tate and Jones were healthy and played together, Tate was targeted significantly more than Jones.....how does that define Jones as the number 1 receiver

 

[Urblock]

Pay Mitch and spend the rest to build the team. Draft a QB or 2.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Again, and I don't know why this is hard for you to grasp, not only was 2009 Stafford's rookie year, he only played 8 full games. Your making one of the most idiotic arguments I have ever heard. But I guess jerry Rice made Joe Montana a better QB too, by your argument. Calvin Johnson hasn't played for 5 years. Stafford's production has not declined.

Yes, Jerry Rice made Montana a better QB. Montana was a great QB who got even better with a phenomenal WR. Like Johnson made Stafford a better QB during those years. When did Stafford have some of his best stats? The years he was playing with Megatron.

 

[sevvy]

Pay Mitch and spend the rest to build the team. Draft a QB or 2.

Nagy and Pace know that paying Mitch is going to be the end of their jobs. There's just no way.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

No, for a few reasons.

Thank you for sharing them all.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

For the record, I hope everyone realizes I'm not saying that Ryan is the greatest quarterback since sliced bread or anything like that.

but when you actually look at the options of what we could realistically get our hands on, he's a hell of a lot better than those... Just saying. because no, Russell Wilson and DeShaun Watson are likely not realistic options.

Instead you are looking at Jimmy G, Carson Wentz, and Derek Carr who may be the best of the bunch but also possibly not available.

After that you are on to the next tier of quarterback, which you already have in Nick Foles, had in Mitch trubisky, or could likely get in jameis Winston, that is if you like going eight and eight again and having a season full of turnovers.

Or we could just draft the 6th or 7th best quarterback in the draft who probably won't be any damn good anyway, and even if they are, we are in the position where our head coach and GM are trying to save their jobs so they likely are going to go with a veteran quarterback regardless of how people feel.

Matt Ryan is not my first choice.

But when you start looking at the other options realistically, it becomes a lot better option if possible than the majority of the discussed alternatives...

 

[jtreal3]

I don't want the Bears to pick up a FA QB, just to make a change.....Watson would be the exception.
Wentz, Carr and Ryan are all just not the difference makers we need. Those three remind me of Foles and the ginger giraffe, just an endless rotation of mediocre QBs.....

Agree, Watson or draft

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Agree, Watson or draft

I get draft is what we want but is it really what we want?

I mean, you have the same dude who drafted Mitch trubisky making that pick....

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I get draft is what we want but is it really what we want?

I mean, you have the same dude who drafted Mitch trubisky making that pick....

And we also have the same dude who signed Glennon and Foles. I’m not a Trubisky fan but at least when Pace drafted him, he was rated a top QB in that draft. He also outplayed any FA QB that Pace brought in. So yes, if we’re going to give up picks/players for a QB, let’s see what we get in the draft.

 

[Leomaz]

Not in his current contract status

 

[jtreal3]

I get draft is what we want but is it really what we want?

I mean, you have the same dude who drafted Mitch trubisky making that pick....

No Watson is what WE really want, draft is IF we can't get him

 

[run and shoot]

Matt Ryan huh? How's he gonna survive or fit with the OL?

Seriously, we are seeing a huge surplus of QB's in the league finally. We are a couple years late but should really just put every investment we can into making a nice seat for a QB and expect one will see it and want to take it, or that we can draft and plug if necessary.

Draft a T 1st. Sign the best tackle you can. I think we can solve Guard/C internally.
Get Robinson back or something comparable.

Some good investments are there, I can see us rebounding with a LT and a QB. Maybe our personel isn't as bad as I was thinking, but we've been a mess for a while so that perception is there and the o-line hasn't had much injury luck.

Still...objectively a pair of tackles that can play would make a huge difference and the rest of the offense has some investments.

So Raskolnikov......good breakdown on the the things we need to do toward fixing the OL, I always say, there are one or 2 times in my life, I remember us having a avg to good pass pro OL. So that's why I stress not bringing in a Qb who needs good to excellent pass pro.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

No Watson is what WE really want, draft is IF we can't get him

If you're being realistic though we are not getting Watson.

and by saying you want the draft you are saying you trust Matt naggy and Ryan Pace to get the pick correct AND that even if they do get it correct that the drafted quarterback will be ready to go and win out of the gate.

You have much more faith in them than I do.

 

[nc0gnet0]

So you are saying Stafford is better than Russell Wilson
The years that Tate and Jones were healthy and played together, Tate was targeted significantly more than Jones.....how does that define Jones as the number 1 receiver

No, Golden Tate did.

Golden Tate: Stafford is 'best quarterback I've played with'

Tate's comments came despite having played two seasons with Russell Wilson in Seattle.

www.si.com

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