SpinachTeeth
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Damn, we could have kept our second round pick to draft next year’s Christian Watson instead of getting a 800 yard receiver!
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Damn i didnt know you could only draft Christian Watson in the second round!
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Obviously, but that wasn't my point.
My point was that he's hardly improved since his rookie season, and it's not like his rookie season was as good as Jefferson's or Chase's. He was decent, and has just been average ever since. Not much improvement. And we gave up what's going to be an early 2nd round pick to get him, which is too much imo. But if we were trading for someone as productive as Jefferson or Chase (hypothetically), then I wouldn't care about what we gave up.
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I’m sorry but your point was that he didn’t put up a historical productive rookie season? Lol of course not. You literally chose two WRs that were probably in the top 5 rookie campaigns in the league.
Claypool quad a great rookie season. 11 TDs and almost 900 yards is fantastic for a rookie.
But I guess you expect WRs to have a Randy Moss type rookie campaign…
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Well, I am glad that you think the 3rd best receiver on the Steelers is worth a 2nd round pick even though there is always starting level receivers in the second round of every draft since forever where you can literally get 4 years of cheap production but you know, you do you.
We are basically paying the same price the Steelers did for this pick but with less than half the cheap years of production.
Oh btw I do not care what other teams offered. So you can talk Packers all you want, but to say that you give a second round pick in a year when you aren't going to the playoffs for second round talent you can get the next year in the draft and get four years of contract instead of 1.5 years just doesn't make very much sense.
Why waste the pick on him when you have Pringle and Harry coming back instead of waiting and building through the draft like you said you were going to do? It just doesn't make sense unless they were selling cheap which they obviously weren't.
Now if he turns out to be a true #1 and worth a big future contract I will gladly eat my crow, but I haven't seen that from him as of yet.
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Ok, but wouldn't it make a bunch more sense to get a cheap receiver of the same quality in the draft in the 2nd round if you know you are going to have to pay your QB in a few more years and spread out the cost of living with a top paid receiver and a top paid QB instead of stacking them on top of one another?
The more I think about it the less sense it makes.
They sent a very valuable draft pick over for a questionable receiver that is going to want a paycheck in less than two years, one year before Fields would get his paycheck. It would make much more sense to spend that draft capital through the draft, which is what Poles said he wanted to do.
I have been very understanding of his selling off expensive parts of the team for draft capital because he wants to rebuild through the draft, you already have a couple of retreads on the team in Harry, Pringle, and St brown. Let them be the guys that earn another contract without the huge cost of a 2nd round pick.
It feels like they threw gold at a situation that is just going to cost them a bunch more gold if it works.
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Yes if you could guarantee you could get a Claypool this year. You could very well end up with a Christian Watson. The bust rate for WRs is over 50%. You can't just pretend you are guaranteed to find a cheaper guy that gives you what Claypool does.
They have the money to pay Fields, Claypool, Mooney and then some. This is exactly why you clearly cap space. Also given Claypool is only 25 next year, he is the exact type of young proven player you use draft capital on.
They have the money to pay Fields, Claypool, Mooney and then some. This is exactly why you clearly cap space. Also given Claypool is only 25 next year, he is the exact type of young proven player you use draft capital on.
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I’ve really warmed up to the claypool trade, but a guy that came to mind for me when I made the post was Toney. It was hard for me to believe that Toney was traded for what he was. This is a guy who was drafted in the middle of the first round last year, has played well when healthy, and has had no significant injuries. That’s the type of high ceiling renovation project I had in mind. But it’s for sure a risk I recognize he’s a headcase.
Claypool can really look good here with the right usage, I didn’t see it before. It’s good to see them actually take a risk and try to fix a gap though, whether it works or not.
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As a general rule you are right it’s not prudent, but man, MHJ looks special… but regardless didn’t realize he can’t be drafted till 2024
If they have the right guy in mind though, they gotta do it though IMO. If a Jamar chase type player is sitting at 5 and the Bears are at 7, you wouldn’t give up a 2nd get him?
But I guess they are not forced to draft a wr now, and gives them flexibility
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Or you could just draft Chase Claypool and have a 4 year rookie contract with an 800 yard receiver.....
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You also have two other receivers on the team that could potentially take those same receptions and not require you to give up a 2nd for them. Thus allowing you to take advantage of using your 2nd rounder on a cheap 4 year contract that could pay dividends.
Obviously nothing is guaranteed.
You could use your 2nd rounder on a WR and get a bust, Claypool can show up here and have the same chit tier attitude/work ethic and be worth nothing in 1.5 years.
Poles said he wanted to build through the draft and in my opinion he got nervous and made a mistake today.
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Sadly Pringle and Harry are not really starting WRs. I don’t think they are a good comparison for Claypool. How many times you we have to watch these bottom of the roster WRs we have drop easy passes?
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Jefferson was pick 11 or 14 and chase was pick 5, bet let’s compare that to a 2nd round pick lmao
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It doesn’t work like that. Sadly you can’t put two players on the field in place of one.
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I actually predicted this for weeks! Was not confident it was going to happen though! So glad it did!
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It's a great deal! Say they didnt make the trade and they used the 2nd draft pick to take a wr in the draft. There is NO 2nd rd wr prospect as talented as Claypool! Not to mention he's a proven player.
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Plus a 5th rounder
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Nope or they would have gotten him for a 3rd.
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Poles basically said they weren't confident about this class of rookie and free agent WR's... Chase has another year and a half on a deal. I'm not crazy about him as a player and a person, but he has a lot of potential and a change of scenery might be what he needs. Worst case scenario, he's the best receiver on our roster right now who can help Fields' development.
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I'd like to say building through the draft dosen't always work out, look how it's turned out for the packers this year. Also he's only 25 which is the same age as VJJ with alot more experience. There's been way too many bust wr drafted, Claypool is somewhat proven.