Bears would trade out of 1st for historic haul

[Canth]

I meant to add, I think it also could signal that the Bears are content to wait until draft day for any deal. They are not going to be pressured to make a decision at the combine.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Interesting. Maybe a way for the Bears to say...we are not just giving away Justin Fields for nothing. My take on that is they are not happy with the offers received for Fields so far.

I would be surprised for them to have both on the roster. But I guess stranger things have happened. It likely also depends on how convinced Waldron and staff are that Williams should sit a year or not. I do think it would be weird also from a leadership standpoint. It puts both guys, but especially Williams, in a bad spot just like Nagy did to Fields. From that aspect, I don't like it.

I was always under the impression that they wouldn't just drop Fields for any compensation. If teams are offering a 3rd, I dont think they take it. Would be an interesting dynamic in the locker room though so I think the chances are small

 

[Moses Moreno]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1756734076701303029

Washington doesn't want to appear desperate but this goes against what Rapsheet reported earlier today saying they recruited Kliff by saying "we'll do as much as we possibly can to get your QB".

If we're not getting good offers on Fields putting it out there that we're willing to keep Fields and draft Caleb puts the pressure on Washington because if they're in love with Caleb they have no leverage and are stuck with Maye/Daniels.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Yeah, although it's easy enough to just say, sorry Kliff, it just wasn't possible to move up that one spot. They wanted too much and it would have set us back too far to make that move.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1756721780545159580

At what point guys do you realize that the so-called experts are just jerking you around to jack up the trade value of the number one overall pick?

 

[Moses Moreno]

Yeah, although it's easy enough to just say, sorry Kliff, it just wasn't possible to move up that one spot. They wanted too much and it would have set us back too far to make that move.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754342355723776242

When the rubber meets the road - this GM loves to trade up (traded up for Paxton Lynch and Trey Lance) and Ryan Poles has maneuvered in such a way that gets him more draft picks every year.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Yeah, although it's easy enough to just say, sorry Kliff, it just wasn't possible to move up that one spot. They wanted too much and it would have set us back too far to make that move.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754342355723776242

When the rubber meets the road - this GM loves to trade up (traded up for Paxton Lynch and Trey Lance) and Ryan Poles has maneuvered in such a way that gets him more draft picks every year.

 

[Canth]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754342355723776242

When the rubber meets the road - this GM loves to trade up (traded up for Paxton Lynch and Trey Lance) and Ryan Poles has maneuvered in such a way that gets him more draft picks every year.

I'm not going to say it 100% can't happen. But I will say I think it will be highly unlikely.

I know that there is a new ownership group and they have this new GM that was a part of front offices that made really bad trade ups - both Lynch and Lance are disaster trade ups. I thought the new Washington owner was more in tune with owning sports teams, right? He will have a say too on something like that. Quinn will also likely have a voice. They could easily say it's not worth it and we can win with Maye or Daniels. And the owner is going to trump the GM. And no, Magic Johnson is not going to be able to trump Josh Harris.

I would add that if they only reason they hired Kingsbury was to coach Williams then that was also really fucking stupid as they don't actually control the pick to guarantee that. And they can't actually force the Bears to make the trade if the Bears don't want to do the trade.

 

[Moses Moreno]

I'm not going to say it 100% can't happen. But I will say I think it will be highly unlikely.

I know that there is a new ownership group and they have this new GM that was a part of front offices that made really bad trade ups - both Lynch and Lance are disaster trade ups. I thought the new Washington owner was more in tune with owning sports teams, right? He will have a say too on something like that. Quinn will also likely have a voice. They could easily say it's not worth it and we can win with Maye or Daniels. And the owner is going to trump the GM. And no, Magic Johnson is not going to be able to trump Josh Harris.

I would add that if they only reason they hired Kingsbury was to coach Williams then that was also really fucking stupid as they don't actually control the pick to guarantee that. And they can't actually force the Bears to make the trade if the Bears don't want to do the trade.

I think it's backed up by ownership - week 17 there was a report that they were interested in Caleb.

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But one team is reportedly "very interested" in the USC quarterback.

"There's some thought around the league that Washington [Commanders] is very interested in Caleb Williams, a Washington, D.C., native who's the strong favorite to be picked first overall. The Commanders, with a break here or there over the next couple of weeks, could find themselves in a position to either draft Williams or trade up a spot or two to get him," ESPN's Dan Graziano wrote in his latest notebook.

The owner isn't bad - the Sixers under his leadership were innovative in how they tanked and tried to acquire talent but outside of Embiid they did a terrible job of development - the Devils are his other team and they aren't really anything special so I really don't think he's like some sort of special owner who's going to transform the NFL.

They had Bob Meyers (the Warriors old GM) help on the search and he just might know the SF group and signed off on Peters because they worked in the same city and Peters is aligned with ownership in thinking they need to trade up for Caleb.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Schefter says that the Commanders are not willing to give up what it would take to get to #1.
So this means that Cowherd was right, that Caleb will Elway himself to Washington!!!!!!

 

[KoreanBear]

You have no idea man.

Do ppl really come yo you for crazy shit?
You should post some of it
Isnt that why cbmb got shut down? Lol

 

[truthbedamned]

I think it is more dependent on what the Bears do next year.

If they trade Williams and he’s decent but the Bears make the playoffs and get a step closer to the division then it won’t matter what Williams does.

And on the other hand if they trade JF and he takes whatever team he is on to the playoffs and Williams struggles and goes 5-12 then Poles likely loses his job.

But the CW fans will be right here to remind us he needs years to develop.
Wash rinse repeat.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

I love how the keep Fields people are talking about "years to develop" like Justin Fields isn't on year 4 with a million excuses as to why he hasn't yet

 

[msadows]

I love how the keep Fields people are talking about "years to develop" like Justin Fields isn't on year 4 with a million excuses as to why he hasn't yet

Thing is if fields never becomes better than this the haul you obtain from trading out of #1 will make this team very good for the next 4-5 years. You likely won't win a sb, but the roster would have 3-4 1st/2nd rounders added to it instead of caleb.

If caleb sucks you just get to enjoy watching the bears suck. So I guess nothing changes.

If fields was dogshit this would be an easy decision, but he's serviceable as an NFL starter.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Thing is if fields never becomes better than this the haul you obtain from trading out of #1 will make this team very good for the next 4-5 years. You likely won't win a sb, but the roster would have 3-4 1st/2nd rounders added to it instead of caleb.

If caleb sucks you just get to enjoy watching the bears suck. So I guess nothing changes.

So you'll be a good team in need of a quarterback. Classic Chicago fun. This is just fans wanting the same thing they're used to

 

[inchibearfan]

And on the other hand if they trade JF and he takes whatever team he is on to the playoffs and Williams struggles and goes 5-12 then Poles likely loses his job.

But the CW fans will be right here to remind us he needs years to develop.
Wash rinse repeat.

So Fields gets 3 years and Williams gets 1?

 

[truthbedamned]

Thing is if fields never becomes better than this the haul you obtain from trading out of #1 will make this team very good for the next 4-5 years. You likely won't win a sb, but the roster would have 3-4 1st/2nd rounders added to it instead of caleb.

If caleb sucks you just get to enjoy watching the bears suck. So I guess nothing changes.

If fields was dogshit this would be an easy decision, but he's serviceable as an NFL starter.

So you'll be a good team in need of a quarterback. Classic Chicago fun. This is just fans wanting the same thing they're used to

Forgot a line in your quote and reply.

 

[modo]

And on the other hand if they trade JF and he takes whatever team he is on to the playoffs and Williams struggles and goes 5-12 then Poles likely loses his job.

But the CW fans will be right here to remind us he needs years to develop.
Wash rinse repeat.

I think this next season is dependant on the Bears making the playoffs.

 

[truthbedamned]

So Fields gets 3 years and Williams gets 1?

Yes. If the Bears trade Fields and draft CW he has to make the playoffs next year. That is the expectation of Fields. It damn well better the expectation for CW if you are replacing Fields. Cmon...All you CW culters are using words like "generational". Put up or shut up.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Thing is if fields never becomes better than this the haul you obtain from trading out of #1 will make this team very good for the next 4-5 years. You likely won't win a sb, but the roster would have 3-4 1st/2nd rounders added to it instead of caleb.

If caleb sucks you just get to enjoy watching the bears suck. So I guess nothing changes.

If fields was dogshit this would be an easy decision, but he's serviceable as an NFL starter.

And - you'd have the assets and structure to draft, sit a develop a QB behind Fields which if we're looking at GB/KC and taking notes appears to be the correct course of action with regard to QB development.

 

[Moses Moreno]

So Fields gets 3 years and Williams gets 1?

If they wind up drafting Caleb and trading Fields for peanuts - yes.

That's the message the team will be sending to the fanbase - the team played like a playoff team to end the year so to get off of that track the expectations would be absurd and probably unfair, but that's what it would be not just in the fanbase, with the lockeroom as well.