Ben Johnson Wanted the Bears Job?

[playthrough2001]

I’m not sure if they could or couldn’t. Michael Jordan is the GOAT and he said he wouldn’t be able to handle being a HC.

If anyone is being naive, it might be you. Other than playing the QB position and having familiarity with Mike/Kyle, you provided zero evidence or reasoning to support Griese jumping up to HC and excelling. Jay Cutler played QB for a long time and played for Mike Shanny. Would he be a good HC?

Again, you’re basing this on nothing. You have zero clue how he’d do as a HC, we haven’t even seen him lead/coach an offense. How is he as a play caller? You have no idea. How does he teach the details and fundamentals for each position? Again, you have zero clue. How does he game plan and adapt when the bullets are flying? You can’t answer that one either. Claiming he could do it despite zero evidence is kind of naive don’t you think?

Do you think the head coach is teaching the details and fundamentals of each position?

Do you remember when Griese pretended not to hear the OC in his headset and called the plays on the field for the game winning drive against the Eagles as a Bear?

Do you remember how he described the situation after the game?

 

[TL1961]

I would not just have tunnel vision for Johnson.

They should give serious consideration to:

Liam Coen
Bobby Slowik
Zac Robinson
Kingsbury (yikes!)
Joe Brady
And of course Ben Johnson

Brian Griese would be my wildcard.

I have respect for Vrabel but they can’t do that again.

If you’re gonna hire Kliff Kingsbury, you might as well start working on the next list right now.

 

[nc0gnet0]

His actual quote is referring to getting a 2nd contract. He wants to land in a spot where he believes he will have long term success and not get fired after 3 years. And, that makes a lot of sense. He doesn't say anything about what the initial contract values or duration would be.

If Eberflus gets fired, any OC looking to become a HC is going to have interest in the Bears. The OL needs work, but there are plenty of other pieces in place for them to take over. The Bears have a young, talented QB with weapons and a strong defense.

Now, I think it's fair to question the ownership and hesitate on that for sure. But, if you can come in and win in Chicago, you will be set for life. I think it's crazy to think that Ben Johnson would not consider Chicago at all if given an opportunity to do so.

News flash: no one cares where you stand

Yeah Yeah Yeah, just like I heard the rumors when you thought you would land Harbaugh as a HC. He has extrapolated on the little nugget you posted. Believe what you wish.

Now, no point in arguing this further, as it is pure speculation on BOTH sides. I am just basing my opinions on what he has said publicly, and what some of the local Lions beat reporters (that know him) that come on LOCAL radio and say.

My question to you is, if landing Ben Johnson required a reset at GM (firing Poles) would you still want him?

 

[number51]

The Bears should ask the new HC if he is willing to talk with and consider keeping current DC Eric Washington. If the new head coach is confident enough, maybe we can hold on to him. If the new HC says no, okay then, he gets to complete his own staff including DC.

I think Washington is a good man, sharp and the players seem to like him, it would be great if we could keep him.

If not, so be it, Flus has got to go.

 

[Szlachcic]

My question to you is, if landing Ben Johnson required a reset at GM (firing Holmes) would you still want him?

Huh?

 

[Szlachcic]

I would not just have tunnel vision for Johnson.

They should give serious consideration to:

Liam Coen
Bobby Slowik
Zac Robinson
Kingsbury (yikes!)
Joe Brady
And of course Ben Johnson

Brian Griese would be my wildcard.

I would add Kirby Smart to this list, Think he would do fine as Bears HC.

 

[Enasic]

Do you think the head coach is teaching the details and fundamentals of each position?

Do you remember when Griese pretended not to hear the OC in his headset and called the plays on the field for the game winning drive against the Eagles as a Bear?

Do you remember how he described the situation after the game?

I do remember that. That doesn’t mean he’ll be a good HC though. I’m not even saying he can’t/wont become one…my point this entire time is there’s no real tangible evidence that any of us could point to. He has 2 years of coaching experience as a QB coach. He’s never coached or led an offense. It’s great that you believe he can…that’s a giant leap of faith. Hiring Griese for HC at this juncture is something maybe the panthers would do. It’s just not a smart decision whatsoever. He needs more experience and work his way up.

 

[playthrough2001]

I do remember that. That doesn’t mean he’ll be a good HC though. I’m not even saying he can’t/wont become one…my point this entire time is there’s no real tangible evidence that any of us could point to. He has 2 years of coaching experience as a QB coach. He’s never coached or led an offense. It’s great that you believe he can…that’s a giant leap of faith. Hiring Griese for HC at this juncture is something maybe the panthers would do. It’s just not a smart decision whatsoever. He needs more experience and work his way up.

He was my wildcard and I have no doubt he could handle the job. You disagree, no problem…

I find it funny that you say “he’s never led an offense.” Ok…

If Peyton Manning said “I want to coach the Bears,” what would you think?

 

[nc0gnet0]

Huh?

oops, corrected

 

[Enasic]

He was my wildcard and I have no doubt he could handle the job. You disagree, no problem…

I find it funny that you say “he’s never led an offense.” Ok…

If Peyton Manning said “I want to coach the Bears,” what would you think?

Personally? Hard pass. As great as Peyton was, I still value actual coaching experience. I don’t think legends could just walk in and excel as a HC just because they played football well. On the job experience matters.

You seem to disagree, which is fine. Hiring someone as HC with zero or virtually zero coaching experience is just asking for trouble. I think you need experience and to work your way up so people can truly assess your coaching abilities. It’s similar to evaluating prospects….how can you evaluate a player if there’s no tape on them? Similarly, how can you asses a potential HCs ability if they never coached before? There’s nothing to evaluate other than “They were a great player so they must be a great HC too.” I just don’t buy into that logic whatsoever.

 

[Canth]

Yeah Yeah Yeah, just like I heard the rumors when you thought you would land Harbaugh as a HC. He has extrapolated on the little nugget you posted. Believe what you wish.

Now, no point in arguing this further, as it is pure speculation on BOTH sides. I am just basing my opinions on what he has said publicly, and what some of the local Lions beat reporters (that know him) that come on LOCAL radio and say.

My question to you is, if landing Ben Johnson required a reset at GM (firing Poles) would you still want him?

How would that go down exactly?

Let's assume the Bears fire Eberflus and keep Poles. Poles starts setting up HC interviews and Ben Johnson says only if they fire you first? Or are you somehow envisioning that his agents will go direct to the Bears ownership? And if so, why would you think -that- would work with this ownership if they have already decided to keep Poles?

That entire line just makes no sense for either party at that point.

And if Ben Johnson is saying that he wants final say on the roster, then I move on from him regardless of GM. That also rarely works.

 

[nc0gnet0]

How would that go down exactly?

Let's assume the Bears fire Eberflus and keep Poles. Poles starts setting up HC interviews and Ben Johnson says only if they fire you first? Or are you somehow envisioning that his agents will go direct to the Bears ownership? And if so, why would you think -that- would work with this ownership if they have already decided to keep Poles?

That entire line just makes no sense for either party at that point.

And if Ben Johnson is saying that he wants final say on the roster, then I move on from him regardless of GM. That also rarely works.

1) I am saying that if the Bears were to fire Neverflush, and retain Poles, it might be a red flag for Johnson. Not saying he would demand Poles be fired, just become "less" interested.

2) My question was a hypothetical, I am not saying it would happen. Ergo, if you knew Ben Johnson was looking for a Team with a fresh start, would you be willing to fire Poles?

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

I wish I could fire people in this forum

 

[46plank]

I don’t give 2 shites about Johnson. He may be a good coordinator, but he hasn’t won shit.

 

[Enasic]

I don’t give 2 shites about Johnson. He may be a good coordinator, but he hasn’t won shit.

This is a strange comment. His job as OC is to oversee a great offense and put up a lot of points. He’s done that and the offense is the strength of their team. He’s one of, if not the best HC candidate despite whether you give a shite about him or not.

 

[ijustposthere]

They had talent that first season and Daniels overachieved. Then they chose to stick with Daniels and he inevitably regressed.

Then they let Barkley who was the engine for that offesne walk. So that was a huge mistake in talent evaluation.

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As for coaching decisions see above.

lmao. I love watching you talk out of both sides of your mouth for arguments sake. The best thing about arguing with you Remy is that if someone takes the time, they can actually get you to switch sides in the same argument.

 

[remydat]

lmao. I love watching you talk out of both sides of your mouth for arguments sake. The best thing about arguing with you Remy is that if someone takes the time, they can actually get you to switch sides in the same argument.

You didnt dispute anything I said.

 

[ijustposthere]

You didnt dispute anything I said.

I already have, you didn't add anything new. Still talking about personnel decisions and claimed they had a good roster when they didn't have a 1000 yard receiver. FTR, I'm completely fine you being out on Daboll, I'm just saying your reasoning has been nonsensical and looks hypocritical after your Flus thread.

 

[remydat]

I already have, you didn't add anything new. Still talking about personnel decisions and claimed they had a good roster when they didn't have a 1000 yard receiver. FTR, I'm completely fine you being out on Daboll, I'm just saying your reasoning has been nonsensical and looks hypocritical after your Flus thread.

Sir I posted articles about his poor game management as well.

Flus is already coach. I certainly would not be looking at him for a HC job if he were fired by Bears. You are advocating hiring Daboll after he is fired in NY. The dude is not a good enough coach to get a HC gig right after being fired.

 

[ijustposthere]

82 million spent is a lot when team has been garbage past 2 years. I would definitely have Slowik ahead of him.

One is fired, one is not. Crazy. Rough year for Remy hot coaching takes.