Ben Johnson Wanted the Bears Job?

[ijustposthere]

I guess I missed where the Giants are a good team. Guess he has no role in that at all.

Which makes him taking them to the playoffs his first season even more impressive. And they have 3 one score losses this year with basically no talent, at least offensively. Then you look at a guy like Slowik and you definitely see Stroud taking a step back. Everyone has their warts, aside from Johnson it seems. But like I said, you still haven't offered any sort of criticism to his coaching. Just pointing at his record with no talent which you said couldn't be unbiasedly used against Eberflus.

 

[remydat]

Which makes him taking them to the playoffs his first season even more impressive. And they have 3 one score losses this year with basically no talent, at least offensively. Then you look at a guy like Slowik and you definitely see Stroud taking a step back. Everyone has their warts, aside from Johnson it seems. But like I said, you still haven't offered any sort of criticism to his coaching. Just pointing at his record with no talent which you said couldn't be unbiasedly used against Eberflus.

They had talent that first season and Daniels overachieved. Then they chose to stick with Daniels and he inevitably regressed.

Then they let Barkley who was the engine for that offesne walk. So that was a huge mistake in talent evaluation.

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[Enasic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796580646317384135

Johnson is going to choose a job that allows him to get his second contract. I found this on his agents timeline.

He talks like he actually has a pair of testicles. No way George ever signs off on this guy

 

[Moses Moreno]

He talks like he actually has a pair of testicles. No way George ever signs off on this guy

Nagy talked similarly.

 

[Enasic]

Nagy talked similarly.

Not sure I agree. Nagy was all word salad and talked like he had at least half a vagina

 

[Enasic]

I would not just have tunnel vision for Johnson.

They should give serious consideration to:

Liam Coen
Bobby Slowik
Zac Robinson
Kingsbury (yikes!)
Joe Brady
And of course Ben Johnson

Brian Griese would be my wildcard.

I have respect for Vrabel but they can’t do that again.

I’ve seen some griese love on here before and I’m not entirely sure where it’s coming from. He has 2 years of coaching experience in his life at his current QB coach position. Jumping to HC from there would be an astronomical jump. Not saying he can’t be a good HC at some point, I just don’t understand why people are projecting him to be at this juncture. What is it based on?

 

[playthrough2001]

I’ve seen some griese love on here before and I’m not entirely sure where it’s coming from. He has 2 years of coaching experience in his life at his current QB coach position. Jumping to HC from there would be an astronomical jump. Not saying he can’t be a good HC at some point, I just don’t understand why people are projecting him to be at this juncture. What is it based on?

The guy was a NFL QB for eleven seasons. He’s been around football forever. I’m pretty sure he would be able to handle the CEO role as a head coach.

He certainly would know how to put together an offensive game plan and could call plays if he decided to do that.

He played for Mike Shanahan for five seasons and has been coaching with Kyle. He knows their system inside and out.

He can handle the press, he’s done that. Give him a top defensive coordinator and Griese could offer him a fair amount of autonomy.

I’m curious why you would think he couldn’t handle it?

 

[Enasic]

The guy was a NFL QB for eleven seasons. He’s been around football forever. I’m pretty sure he would be able to handle the CEO role as a head coach.

He certainly would know how to put together an offensive game plan and could call plays if he decided to do that.

He played for Mike Shanahan for five seasons and has been coaching with Kyle. He knows their system inside and out.

He can handle the press, he’s done that. Give him a top defensive coordinator and Griese could offer him a fair amount of autonomy.

I’m curious why you would think he couldn’t handle it?

I’m not saying that he couldn’t, I’m saying we have no evidence or anything to base it on. He was a QB for a long time……and? Are you saying all QBs who played a long time in the NFL would be great HCs? If so, I disagree.

He played for Mike and is now coaching for Kyle…that’s a plus, but he’s still extremely inexperienced as a coach. He only has been coaching for 2 years and as a QB coach. It’s literally insane to have only coached for 2 years as a QB coach and then jump up to HC. It doesn’t happen. At the very least, I would need to see how he does as an OC to get a read on him. I don’t think a single poster on here has any real grasp on his coaching chops. How would we? We have nothing tangible to base it on.

 

[playthrough2001]

I’m not saying that he couldn’t, I’m saying we have no evidence or anything to base it on. He was a QB for a long time……and? Are you saying all QBs who played a long time in the NFL would be great HCs? If so, I disagree.

He played for Mike and is now coaching for Kyle…that’s a plus, but he’s still extremely inexperienced as a coach. He literally only has been coaching for 2 years and as a QB coach. It’s literally insane to have only coached for 2 years as a QB coach and then jump up to HC. It doesn’t happen. At the very least, I would need to see how he does as an OC to get a read on him. I don’t think a single poster on here has any real grasp on his coaching chops. How would we? We haven’t really seen it.

As far as players go, a QB is the closest thing to a head coach. They have to think strategically. They have to understand game planning. They have to understand clock management and have situational awareness. They have to be able to lead men and command a team. Brian Griese was a cerebral QB with a ton of NFL experience.

Did you listen to Romo Sunday? He suggested the Bears needed to protect the sidelines before the Hail Mary. You know who didn’t think it was important, Eberflus.

How many games has Romo coached?

 

[onebud34]

They had talent that first season and Daniels overachieved. Then they chose to stick with Daniels and he inevitably regressed.

Then they let Barkley who was the engine for that offesne walk. So that was a huge mistake in talent evaluation.

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Thursday was Daboll’s first opportunity to prove whether his confidence in the new process is founded.

www.nydailynews.com

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The Giants have been looking for any external factor to blame for their long-term ineptitudes, but at some point it must be turned back inside where support for

empirewritesback.com

As for coaching decisions see above.

I always thought Fatt Nagy was a 1 year wonder

 

[Enasic]

As far as players go, a QB is the closest thing to a head coach. They have to think strategically. They have to understand game planning. They have to understand clock management and have situational awareness. They have to be able to lead men and command a team. Brian Griese was a cerebral QB with a ton of NFL experience.

Did you listen to Romo Sunday? He suggested the Bears needed to protect the sidelines before the Hail Mary. You know who didn’t think it was important, Eberflus.

How many games has Romo coached?

I mean…most fans knew they should protect the sidelines lol….i sure did and I never played football in my life lol…flus is just an idiot

Again, there’s nothing tangible to say griese would be a great HC. You’re projecting it on the fact that he played QB and has familiarity with the Shanny’s. Look at the best HCs in the league…..how many have played QB in the nfl? His QB experience isn’t completely irrelevant, but it doesn’t mean as much as you think. He needs to become an OC first before we could get a glimpse of his coaching chops. Otherwise, you’re basing it on essentially blind optimism.

 

[playthrough2001]

I mean…most fans knew they should protect the sidelines lol….i sure did and I never played football in my life lol…flus is just an idiot

Again, there’s nothing tangible to say griese would be a great HC. You’re projecting it on the fact that he played QB and has familiarity with the Shanny’s. Look at the best HCs in the league…..how many have played QB in the nfl? His QB experience isn’t completely irrelevant, but it doesn’t mean as much as you think. He needs to become an OC first before we could get a glimpse of his coaching chops. Otherwise, you’re basing it on essentially blind optimism.

Most NFL QBs that played 11 years have so much money, they would not consider the grind of coaching. If you really believe Griese could not handle the job, I think you’re being naive and acting like this is rocket science.

Peyton Manning never coached at any level. Do you think he could handle the job? How about Brady?

 

[Enasic]

Most NFL QBs that played 11 years have so much money, they would not consider the grind of coaching. If you really believe Griese could not handle the job, I think you’re being naive and acting like this is rocket science.

Peyton Manning never coached at any level. Do you think he could handle the job? How about Brady?

I’m not sure if they could or couldn’t. Michael Jordan is the GOAT and he said he wouldn’t be able to handle being a HC.

If anyone is being naive, it might be you. Other than playing the QB position and having familiarity with Mike/Kyle, you provided zero evidence or reasoning to support Griese jumping up to HC and excelling. Jay Cutler played QB for a long time and played for Mike Shanny. Would he be a good HC?

Again, you’re basing this on nothing. You have zero clue how he’d do as a HC, we haven’t even seen him lead/coach an offense. How is he as a play caller? You have no idea. How does he teach the details and fundamentals for each position? Again, you have zero clue. How does he game plan and adapt when the bullets are flying? You can’t answer that one either. Claiming he could do it despite zero evidence is kind of naive don’t you think?

 

[Canth]

IMO, the best coaches with a background in offense have more than just QB background. They have spent time coaching multiple position groups and have a much better feel for the team and not just the QB room.

Andy Reid was an OL coach, McVay was a WR and TE coach before becoming an OC, Kyle Shanahan also coached WR and then spent like 9 years as an OC before becoming a HC. LeFleur was mostly a QB coach but he at least had like 15 years of coaching experience before becoming a HC.

I get leery of the guys that only have a QB coach background and single digit number of years as a coach. That rarely works out well when it comes to running an entire football team and leading an organization. That was one of my concerns with Slowik.

Ben Johnson is one of those guys with a varied background in offense having coached TE, WR, and QB. If the Bears have a chance to get him, I think it would make a lot of sense.

 

[nc0gnet0]

IMO, the best coaches with a background in offense have more than just QB background. They have spent time coaching multiple position groups and have a much better feel for the team and not just the QB room.

Andy Reid was an OL coach, McVay was a WR and TE coach before becoming an OC, Kyle Shanahan also coached WR and then spent like 9 years as an OC before becoming a HC. LeFleur was mostly a QB coach but he at least had like 15 years of coaching experience before becoming a HC.

I get leery of the guys that only have a QB coach background and single digit number of years as a coach. That rarely works out well when it comes to running an entire football team and leading an organization. That was one of my concerns with Slowik.

Ben Johnson is one of those guys with a varied background in offense having coached TE, WR, and QB. If the Bears have a chance to get him, I think it would make a lot of sense.

Which would mean you would need to also fire Poles and get a new GM, prior to hiring Johnson. If the Bears falter, and Neverflush gets shit canned, you damn sure know Poles is on the hot seat heading into 2025. That gives you a new HC taking a job for what could be a lame duck GM. Not exactly the job security Johnson is talking about in his video.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Which would mean you would need to also fire Poles and get a new GM, prior to hiring Johnson. If the Bears falter, and Neverflush gets shit canned, you damn sure know Poles is on the hot seat heading into 2025. That gives you a new HC taking a job for what could be a lame duck GM. Not exactly the job security Johnson is talking about in his video.

Not really. Ownership could guarantee that he has a few years with Poles by extending Poles.

 

[Canth]

Which would mean you would need to also fire Poles and get a new GM, prior to hiring Johnson. If the Bears falter, and Neverflush gets shit canned, you damn sure know Poles is on the hot seat heading into 2025. That gives you a new HC taking a job for what could be a lame duck GM. Not exactly the job security Johnson is talking about in his video.

Not really. Most GM's are allowed to hire 2 coaches unless things are just an unmitigated disaster.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Not really. Ownership could guarantee that he has a few years with Poles by extending Poles.

He is looking for a 5-6 year commitment, north of 10 mil a year.
I stand by my statement.

 

[bamainatlanta]

He is looking for a 5-6 year commitment, north of 10 mil a year.
I stand by my statement.

News flash: no one cares where you stand

 

[Canth]

He is looking for a 5-6 year commitment, north of 10 mil a year.
I stand by my statement.

His actual quote is referring to getting a 2nd contract. He wants to land in a spot where he believes he will have long term success and not get fired after 3 years. And, that makes a lot of sense. He doesn't say anything about what the initial contract values or duration would be.

If Eberflus gets fired, any OC looking to become a HC is going to have interest in the Bears. The OL needs work, but there are plenty of other pieces in place for them to take over. The Bears have a young, talented QB with weapons and a strong defense.

Now, I think it's fair to question the ownership and hesitate on that for sure. But, if you can come in and win in Chicago, you will be set for life. I think it's crazy to think that Ben Johnson would not consider Chicago at all if given an opportunity to do so.